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Yeti's banned?!?
permananetly banned or naughty stepped?
anyone else? was that a particularly crap day's food?
Yes
I am not on a diet nor am I fat
yeah, why is TSY banned ?
How did I miss [i]that[/i]?
Oh dear.
I'M NOT FAT!!!
my bones are dense.
with kebab meat.
Phil.
I'm not sure the Mods have explained their reasons to you...
Your bias doesn't surprize me.
Your bias doesn't surprize me.
Steady tiger.
Keep it friendly.
Steady tiger.
Keep it friendly.
Why are you trying to make a [i]tiger[/i] be friendly? GGRRRRAAAARRRRR
Oh... that sounds rather poor for all involved.
And really quite silly, considering the subject matter.
Just showing off in front of the girlies. 😳
On the other hand, this thread has gone 8 pages & hasn't descended into pointless bickering 😉
Just showing off in front of the girlies.
There's GIRLIES?
Quick; be good.
[i]Steady tiger.
Keep it friendly. [/i]
Don.
Thats the idea, and its gone well so far, in the absence of certain individuals.
Well, that is until a few types arrived with their wooden spoons.
Pity really, cos they could have chose to engage in the debate instead.
I've done my research, and it continues.
I've posted the comments from bodies and people in authourity on this subject and have tried to keep my personal opinons to a minimum so as to avoid argument.
While also ignoring the sniping remarks from others.
Science has the answers and as Molgrips has pointed out.
When your 68 yrs old, do you want the doc to tell you that you've got 2 yrs left of 20 ?.
Ta.
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And really quite silly, considering the subject matter.
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incredibly silly considering the subject matter!
EDIT:
When your 68 yrs old, do you want the doc to tell you that you've got 2 yrs left of 20 ?.
if i make it to 68, considering my hereditary medical conditions i'll be in a wheelchair with a back that's crumbling away and my diet will be incredibly restricted anyway. honest answer to the question... i'm predicting i'd prefer to be told 2 instead of 20.
with regards to the whole coke conspiracy; who would ever consider flavoured sugar water to be a healthy drink, whether its sugar or corn syrup, cocaine or whatever inside it?
[i]incredibly silly considering the subject matter!
[/i]
Phil.
You're missing the point, again.
Anyway, thats it for me.
Theres enough in the previous pages for those who are genuinely interested and don't just turn up here to releive their work stresses by trying to belittle others.
Good Thread.
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so i can't agree with Ro5ey?
why not just start calling me a bell end on the forum in every post? oh hang on, you've already done that several times and i've never reported you, in fact i apologised for whatever it was i was meant to have done to upset you, publically.
wow. what a horrible person you're showing me to be.
I'm going to start eating cake and chips again, just so that I don't have to explain to people at work that I'm [i]not[/i] trying to lose weight.
what's a bell end?
EDIT: don't google 'bell end' at work
or 'gentleman's tip'
what's a bell end?
And is it iDave compliant?
Probably people looking for any excuse not to change their diet
It's not that it's wrong to talk about calories in/out, it's just over simplified and focussing on that alone is unhelpful. it's much easier to create a calorie deficit for most people if they avoid or limit certain types of foods (and it's not just fatty foods).
And slimjim, that doesn't look like a healthy diet to me I'm afraid, but what do I know, I'm a fatty. 🙂
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definitely iDave compliant, full of protein if you eat it right 😯
anyway, back to the OP. i read the link a few hours before it was posted up on here and thought it was a pretty well presented article... it still baffles me how anybody could think flavoured sugary water is healthy no matter how that sugar is put in there, be it corn syrup or raw cane sugar!
interesting that they kept sugar in it and didnt alter it like in the states, we're fast become mini-america as the world becomes a smaller place so i wonder if they'll eventually change over?
poor slimjim, he's posted one days food! i wouldn't judge a diet based on a one day sample unless he's eating the same every day
more hummus SJ 😀
interesting that they kept sugar in it and didnt alter it like in the states, we're fast become mini-america as the world becomes a smaller place so i wonder if they'll eventually change over?
Presumably becasue there's lots of corn grown in the states, whereas we grow lots of sugar beet? Corn syrup might be cheep over there but probably isn't worth the cost difference to ship it.
iiinnnnteresting, is UK coke made in the UK then, i presumed, probably wrongly it was shipped over from the US having never bothered to read a can properly!
of course it is made here not worth the cost shipping it though I am sure they could ship the "secret" formula that makes it taste so great
TBH I have no idea last time I drunk some fizzy pop ...it is so long ago it was called fizzy pop though.
For those who consider the food industry bears no responsibility - this is a former Coke marketing executive:
“I’m not against soft drinks per se,” he began carefully. “What I am for is balance of power. And I think the power has shifted in the wrong direction. The resources, the scale, the intelligence, the strategy these companies use is intense.....
“It’s one of the great marketing machines of the world. You’ve got so many tools at your fingertips. … You’re dealing with Michael Jackson, the NFL, multimillion-dollar decisions,” he said.”If you’re interested in moving consumers, then you’re most happy when you move millions of consumers. . . . It’s exciting, intoxicating, even. I felt like the king of the world.”
For all the range and reach of Coke’s marketing operation, Putman said he quickly learned it was built around one goal: per-capita consumption. “How can we drive more ounces into more bodies more often?”
The term of art among company executives was one Putman had never heard before: “share of stomach.”
[b]“It was a mind-bending paradigm shift for me. We weren’t trying to get share of market. We weren’t about trying to beat Pepsi or Mountain Dew. We were about trying to beat everything.”[/b]
Putman embraced the challenge with gusto. In the interview, he recalled giving a presentation in which he showed a chart illustrating how consumption of milk had dropped over time while consumption of a sugary soda — he can no longer remember which product — had risen.
When he pointed to the place where the two lines crossed — the moment in which soda surpassed milk — Putman remembers swelling with pride.
This is pretty telling also:
It is long-standing Coca-Cola policy not to directly market any of its products to children younger than 12. The company has never advertised on weekend cartoon shows, for example, and Putman said he was never given data on consumption rates among children 11 or younger.[b]Still, he said, “magically, when they would turn 12, we’d suddenly attack them like a bunch of wolves.”[/b]
Company research indicated that brand loyalty starts young, and once formed it is hard to break. “I would say 90 percent of all soft drink marketing is targeted at 12- to 24-year-olds. . . . It was how we spent all of our time.”
Can't remember if this has been discussed already, but this interview also makes pretty sickening reading:
TBH I have no idea last time I drunk some fizzy pop ...it is so long ago it was called fizzy pop though.
And you got money back when you returned the bottle?
Isn't Coca~Cola made under licence in each country?
iiinnnnteresting, is UK coke made in the UK then, i presumed, probably wrongly it was shipped over from the US having never bothered to read a can properly!
of course it is made here not worth the cost shipping it though I am sure they could ship the "secret" formula that makes it taste so great
Actualy I dunno, they could make the syrup (which is probably barely any more than the sugar) in the states and ship it over, the shipping would then be offset against only needing a diluting/botteling plant in the UK.
And you got money back when you returned the bottle?
It was all fields back then 😉 You are not that far out tbh
Isn't Coca~Cola made under licence in each country?
I assumed this having drunk it in arabic countries with arabic writing on it
Well done all for resisting google and having a guess
Well done all for resisting google and having a guess
I did research it actualy, but it just says 95% made in the UK and the taste is tailored to local markets, whether that's the taste or just what they can lay their hands on cheeply is another matter.
Thomthumb....i'm no more qualified than anybody else to discuss this issue, i've read loads of stuff on weight loss (and weight gain) when i lifted weights throughout my 20s.....a couple of my friends still bodybuild and as a group they are the experts at managing their weight and appearance....just google images a bodybuilding competition and look at the ridiculously low body fat levels they walk on stage at....its mind blowing.
Whats even more impressive is that most of them only start dieting around 16 weeks out from a show....they use the time honoured understanding that eating less calories than they need will result in fat loss.....i remain sceptical about any other method, other methods seem to be for people who say they want to lose weight but cant really be arsed to put in the hard work of endless bland meals and daily workouts.
In the last 4 years i've been 15 1/2 stone when i was a gym monkey, down to 12 stone in less than a year when i took up kickboxing instead....back up to 15 stone (of fat) when i stopped all training and spent most evenings indoors with a new girlfriend being wined and dined very well!....and now back to around 13 1/2 stone with weekly cycling and squash....
....i tweek my diet here and there, off on holiday at the end of July so i cut all the muck from my diet a few weeks ago and already my forearms are more vascular than they were a fortnight ago....its boring obviously, i really want some cheesecake or ice cream or a massive great Snickers bar....went out for dinner last night and ordered a chicken and avocado salad as my main course instead of my usual calorie laden choices....i'll probably be 12 stone something on holiday and nice and lean.
Frankly i'm shocked people think any other method works.
....the diet industry appears to a license to print money, i can feel a career change looming!
I bet there's no HCFS in Irn Bru!!
They also put more bubbles in Spanish Coca~Cola (or is it less?). I can't remember but do know it's different. 😕
google? what do you take us for? cheaters?!?!
i'm going to use my hard earned 'ive been on the the tea-cups at chessington world of adventures' certificate as evidence that i know what i'm talking about when i say that its definitely all made in america and shipped around the world hidden in other food stuffs. them damn sneaky yanks.
Frankly i'm shocked people think any other method works.....the diet industry appears to a license to print money, i can feel a career change looming!
Eating low GI (which i***e is just a more extreme version of as far as I can see) has nothing to do with the 'diet industry', is recommended by health professionals, and I'll repeat yet again that it works much better for many (most?) people than a simplistic calorie/fat focussed approach.
Definitely working for me at the moment.
I believe Coke make their special syrup for the EU in Ireland and it's then watered down, carbonated and bottled/canned in more local plants.
If you really want to hate the Coca-Cola company, read Mark Thomas' book Belching Out The Devil.
other methods seem to be for people who say they want to lose weight but cant really be arsed to put in the hard work of endless bland meals and daily workouts
I'm eating large, delicious, tasty meals and getting by on my daily half hour of gentle bike ride to work and back. But, your way sounds ace 🙂
My food is making me fat because I'm a greedy sod and I don't do enough riding to burn it off these days. 😉
I'm eating large, delicious, tasty meals and getting by on my daily half hour of gentle bike ride to work and back. But, your way sounds ace
Yeah, eating the delicious sausage and butterbean casserole I made last night again for tea is a real chore.
Grum, low GI is a given...people should be getting their carbs from low GI sources anyway, high glycemic index foods are for pre workout boosts and post workout recovery.....i dread to think what the peaks and troughs of somebody's energy levels must be like if they spend their day eating high GI foods for energy!
I'm eating large, delicious, tasty meals and getting by on my daily half hour of gentle bike ride to work and back. But, your way sounds ace
But you always did didn't you? pre iDave
TBH some of the links you've posted for lunch recipes have been neither large nor had me thinking they'd be delicious IMO.
I tried the idave for 4 weeks and it was pretty much the same as any other concious calorie reduction programme - which it is. I lost weight but that was just because it restricts a lot of high calorie food.
I went back to a 'normal' eating regime as I missed bread and beer and dairy too much [can't stand red wine] and for what I'm eating Vs what I'm exercising, I'm losing at the same rate.
But you always did didn't you? pre iDave
I was about 75kg pre-iDave. 32" waist jeans were a bit snug and I often bought 34". I was by no means fat, but I had no visible abs and my arms weren't particularly vascular.
After 6 (7?) weeks of iDave, I'm about 68kg. My 32" waist jeans are very loose and I've got something approaching a 4-pack and veiny arms.
As I've said, I'm not particularly doing it to lose weight, but because I feel better eating this way. I started by having slow-carb breakfasts as that fitted in well with when my wife was doing Slimming World and I realised how much better I felt all morning at work. I started having more slow-carb lunches and then went the whole hog 6 or 7 weeks ago.
I have various allergies (asthma and hay fever) that have been loads better than I'd have expected these last few weeks, which may just be a coincidence with the odd weather we've been having. Possibly I have a slight gluten allergy too?
What sold me was the first big bike ride I did. I'd have been knackered afterwards normally, but was absolutely fine and repeated it, but faster, a week later. Again, could be a coincidence, but it seems to work for me.
TBH some of the links you've posted for lunch recipes have been neither large nor had me thinking they'd be delicious IMO.
Those are just ideas/inspiration, not exactly what I've been eating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReLQJRicys&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-grhTGQbyMg&feature=relmfu
I lost weight but that was just because it restricts a lot of high calorie foods that I prefer to eat, like bread & beer
I lost weight but that was just because it restricts [s]a lot of high calorie food[/s] blood sugar spikes
Do you realise how many 'calories' there are in meat/beans/pulses/houmous/etc?
poor slimjim, he's posted one days food! i wouldn't judge a diet based on a one day sample unless he's eating the same every daymore hummus SJ
just polished off half a tub with a stick of celery, and a big gob full of wasabi peas
Im surprised. I thought a days food consisting essentially of
chicken
salad leaves
mixed vegetables
tuna
raisins (not quite so good yet not exactly evil)
wheat (not quite so good)
black tea
water
wouldn't be frowned upon?
in fact, are you guys serious?
start dieting around 16 weeks out from a show....they use the time honoured understanding that eating less calories than they need will result in fat loss
Do come on now. You are saying that bodybuilders cut up just by reducing calories. 😆
I think you'll find they heavily reduce carb intake.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4271246&page=1
"Study: Artificial Sweeteners Increase Weight Gain Odds
Calorie-conscious consumers who opt for diet sodas may gain more weight than if they drank sugary drinks because of artificial sweeteners contained in the diet sodas, according to a new study."
It gets more like Womens Weekly in here every week...
Lardy middle aged leisure cyclists arguing about diets; has it really sunk as low as this?
am not middle aged.
am interested in nutrition facts. and going REALLY fast on a bike.
I'm not middle aged or lardy.
I'm 35 and skinny 🙂
Today's menu
Breakfast: two slices prosciutto, two soft boiled eggs, home-made baked beans (with added lentils, chorizo, red pepper, red wine and chilli flakes).
Dinner: a Sainsburys salad bowl, plus a 100g pack of roast turkey and a tub of four bean salad.
Tea: a plate full of green beans, broccoli and carrots, with a hefty portion of mince and onions and gravy over the top.
No idea on calories, apart from lunch which was the only thing that came in packets and as we'd been discussing it here I checked. That was 600 kcal.
in fact, are you guys serious?
Well, to me:
Breakfast - several cups of black tea - [b]basically not eating breakfast, not a great start to the day and likely to make you hungry - better to eat smaller meals more often[/b]
Lunch - tinned tuna, salad, loads of garden peas - [b]good[/b]
Snack - white choccie biscuit from spain (damned colleagues) - [b]bad[/b]
Pre Ride hunger snack - cashew nuts, 2x chicken drumsticks, several salami slices - [b]ok[/b]
Post ride meal - big bowl of Raisin Wheats with whole milk (a moment of weakness, but they were very nice none the less) - [b]not too bad but the raisins are full of sugar[/b]
To me it doesn't really look like enough to eat in a day if you are doing exercise, but I suppose you are trying to lose weight. I just wonder if it is sustainable.
It's not terrible by any means but some more veg would be good - much better to replace the wheat with beans/pulses to get a bit of carbs imo.
It gets more like Womens Weekly in here every week...Lardy middle aged leisure cyclists arguing about diets; has it really sunk as low as this?
Judging by your posting history you come on a mountain bike forum just to talk about road cycling, tv programmes and hilariously expensive jerseys - has it really sunk as low as this?
[u]nonsense[/u], a bit of fasting does you good, it was simply a 3 hour fasting extension added to my sleep.basically not eating breakfast, not a great start to the day and likely to make you hungry - better to eat smaller meals more often
Plus, I wasn't hungry. I no longer get hunger cravings as I no longer eat refined sugars/carbs - try Atkins for a couple weeks and feel your hunger disappear, you'll soon learn about what exactly it is you are craving! SUGAR!
already acknowledged, although, a small amount of simple carbs does no harm when training hard. my 20mph average 12 mile ride thanked me for the biscuitwhite choccie biscuit from spain (damned colleagues) - bad
im aware of that, but it was my first bowl of cereal in months, and was a treat - made up for it today by being awesome on my bike & swimming..big bowl of Raisin Wheats with whole milk (a moment of weakness, but they were very nice none the less) - not too bad but the raisins are full of sugar
Do you realise how many 'calories' there are in meat/beans/pulses/houmous/etc?
Not as many as in a lot of other stuff
Why does idave restrict fatty meat and restrict nuts to small quantities?
Drastically reducing carbs will pretty much always drastically reduce calories
Back to back test, the idave and a conventional diet have produced very similar results for me, because they both reduce calories one way or another.
Why does idave restrict fatty meat and restrict nuts to small quantities?
because they are calorific?
600kcal in standard tesco helping of houmous. more than a great big fat pre-made sandwich, in most cases.
[i]Judging by your posting history you come on a mountain bike forum just to talk about road cycling, tv programmes and hilariously expensive jerseys - has it really sunk as low as this?[/i]
Have you glanced through your own history perchance?
Game of Thrones?
Red Dwarf?
Learning French?
Moving to Hebden Bridge?
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Breakfast in the most important meal of the day. This is pretty much the only thing that the different opinions agree on. It will be VERY difficult to lose weight if you don't regularly eat breakfast.
My chosen breakfast of fruit and fibre cereal has not turned out to be the healthy option I had hoped. Full of ****ing sugar.
my 4 slice cheese buttes are around 800 calories
Add a couple of bits of fruit and a big mug of tea or three and I'm easy into 1000c for lunch
I am currently doing around 2-3 hrs exercise daily though
Have you glanced through your own history perchance?Game of Thrones?
Red Dwarf?
Learning French?
Moving to Hebden Bridge?
I'm not the one whining and bitching about a thread/forum I opened through my own free choice though am I. That's the crucial difference.
Also, from a thread you started.....
I've always liked bread.When I was a child I existed on sandwiches grabbed from the kitchen at half time in our all day soccer matches, or stuffed into back pockets when we went on adventures. In later life I used bread to fuel racing before gels and energy drinks, I had peanut butter sandwiches handed up to me at the 3 Peaks many years ago.
I was happy with bread, and it was happy with me.
This year I've been suffering with bloating, indigestion and mad diarrohea after eating bread, so I gave it up. Being of a medical nature, I wondered if I had developed some kind of problem with gluten, so tried some gluten-free bread, but had exactly the same result.
So, bread; like it but it don't like me.
Nothing to do with diet though obviously, that would be far too 'Women's Weekly' 😆
I prefer to see it as expressing an opinion, but each to their own.
Have a slice of toast, might take the edge off your sadness.
Breakfast in the most important meal of the day. This is pretty much the only thing that the different opinions agree on
Really?
Fasting is the next breakfast
I've always wanted a stalker! Would you like some pictures too?
Probably being exposed as a whiny hypocrite on a thread you profess to have no interest in would make it a good time for you to give up and do something else.
Fasting is the next breakfast
Traditionally I've never bothered either but to be fair, I feel better now I do.
Seriously, sugar in fruit and fibre? Unreal.
I'm enjoying your discomfort too much to be honest. And I've got some lentils soaking, so I'm free for a while. 😆
There's a nice set of images at http://primalcyclist.com/2012/02/05/carbs-are-killing-you/ that explain the "carbs make you fat" science pretty well.
Nice link, and I know I'm not really interested in this thread, but doesn't it depend still on you, and your ingestion of said carbs?
If you don't put them in there in the first place, they can't have the same effect on you or on your insulin production. You can think about high GI and high carb meals all day long, but if you don't eat them, they can't make you fat.
The whole singletrackworld diet obsession seems to me to be about self control; don't eat things that are high in carbs and burn off what you do eat and you'll be thin or get thinner.
Essentially, 'eat less and move more' which even Lorraine Kelly suggested...
It's not eat less, move more. It's eat as much fat and protein as you like.
Well, I'm female, and I'm no stranger to diets and weight management theories but I've never read Women's weekly.....
I actually LIKE on here that you get guys debating diet and food issues, because so many men think it's a bit rubbish to care what you put in your body and then they end up letting themselves go and doing nowt about it for fear of looking like a nancy in front of their mates going on a diet and not swilling beer and shovelling in chips.
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
Fat free yoghurt with piles of sugar in drives me mad.
[url= http://chriskresser.com/perfecthealth ]This is the most sense I've seen written on nutrition and overall health. [/url]
Wish sugar was taxed at a higher rate or controlled in some other way. Don't get me wrong, I have a sweet tooth, but it should be a highly taxed luxury like alcohol.
The decision of society to embrace high carb low fat is a huge mistake and will be looked back on in 50 years as a disaster.
You could always use a bit of self restraint and not buy it
It's not eat less, move more. It's eat as much fat and protein as you like
Not got my idave sheet handy but I thought it listed lean meat rather than fatty meat
I do exercise self restraint and I'm very happy with the results.
People always assume I'm on a "diet" when they see what I eat. My normal response is that it's not a diet, but that I eat what's required to meet my health, strength, physique and fitness goals. Very different, have a target and eat what you need to achieve it. If have different priorities then eat accordingly!
So why do you want it taxed?
10 pages!
Absurd self-obsession on here as usual.
Where are all these fatties? I just don't see them.
What I see more and more is middle-aged knobs moaning about not being "beautiful" any more.
Eat what you want. Enjoy your life. It won't last forever.