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Just got back from a quick spin round delamere and was (as usual) ducking and diving bags of dog doo which lovely dog walkers have slung into the trees and hang in majestic bundles at head height. Why? there are even instructions from the forestry to just flick anything with a stick into the ditches at the side of the paths. you dont even need a bag.. A lot of riding in the forest is just off the main paths and in recent times its become a bit of a hazard. Why, Why, Why?
Because people are idiots.
As a dog owner I had to say I have no idea, its bizare, why pick it up if your not going to bin it?
Because someone has seen their dog shitting and they feel obliged to pick it up . Then they lob it when out of sight. That is the only reason I can think of
could you not use it as a pocket hand warmer ? maybe wrong time of year ?
how do you know they're bags of dog toffee ?
just for the record i own 2 dogs - i clearup and fetch it home. which is fun when you've been out with the dogs on a sunday evening and you get up too early monday morning and suddenly realise it is a bag of dog toffee in your coat pocket uuurrgh! what next? standing outside pubs smoking ?
Yeah it's been posted before marcus. I did point out that it takes great skill, and often many attempts, to get a bag full of dog's shit to hang from the high branches of a tree. OK, sometimes they fall a bit low, but what would you rather I did - put them in my pocket and took them home ffs ?
Saw one of these for the first time in my local woods on Friday afternoon, had only heard of it on here before.
Must have been some northerners visiting the area.
I was sorely tempted to start a thread like this today, having witnessed it on a hike in the hills this morning, and a ride around where I live later on - I just don't get it. I'm sick to death of it; it seems to be becoming more and more 'popular' (for want of a better word) - yet these are people who clearly have some sort of connection with being in / enjoying the outdoors, yet their polution of it is quite gross.
I just can't understand the behaviour of the few that ruin it for the many and it's such an unpleasant thing to see. I don't know what can be done about it though.
how do you know they're bags of dog toffee ?
Exactly. I would strongly recommend that you don't go around opening bags which you find hanging from branches. Why would anyone want to do that ffs ?
I don't know what can be done about it though.
Rub their noses in it!
There is a tree on my local canal path during the summer you can see the odd bag, once the leaves fall off the tree its disgusting the amount of bags of dog krap that can be seen, the whole tree is full of it! im surprised there is room for leaves to grow back in the spring
Well I always thought it was dog walkers picking it up & bagging it because others were around & hanging it on a tree/bush with the intention [ 😉 ] of picking it up when they return
Maybe it wasn't the dog that did the doo?
Lazy I guess.
I don't own a dog as I don't want to pick up poo.
Cats?
maybe its a game ????
see who can get highest and/or who's bag can hang the longest
Well I always thought it was dog walkers picking it up & bagging it because others were around & hanging it on a tree/bush with the intention [ ] of picking it up when they return
i think you got it half right, and i'm sure thats their excuse fishy guy.
i recon they hang it there as they dont want that shit in their pocket but they also have some warped moral dilema and dont want to leave it on the ground for other people and for when they walk the dog there the next day...
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hows about this one? Rather blatant. I guess they expect the woodland dog poo pixies to collect it up when everyones gone home....I'd like to squish it between their teeth! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You may wish to follow dog walkers with a camera, or just follow them and see what theydo with the bag of shit,then next time you see them collect a bag and ram it up the car exhaust, or into the heating duct at the front of the bonnet.
Not that we as responsible adults would ever do such things.
Another point is wheelchair users after runing over shit have it on their wheels, and then the pusher has to clean it off, before the wheelchir gose in the car.NOT NICE, i know ive had to do it.
"I guess they expect the woodland dog poo pixies to collect it up when everyones gone home..."
No joke, but that's exactly what some people think- I saw someone doing the put it in a bag then hang it on the tree thing, had a go at her, and she said "It's to make it easier for the rangers to tidy up". Didn't even know how to respond to that.
It's such a weird thing to do though... "OK, here's some poo, on some earth. It'll degrade away soon enough (though toxocara canis larvae can stay viable for years so that's not good). So, I could move it off the trail... Or I could put it in a plastic bag which will last for a century, then seal it so it can't decay, then HANG IT ON A TREE!"
Course, even bagging it then putting it in a dog waste bin or home bin is also a bit odd, for the same biodegrading reason- you've taken a short term waste and made it long term.
chakaping - Must have been some northerners visiting the area.
Chakaping, you're a complete idiot. 👿
One reason is that many places have a £1000 fine for letting your dog foul...but no fine for littering.
Dunno, but the bags my SO gets must be biodegradeable or summink. Theyr'e defo not watertight cos I grabbed one to put a manky wet sponge in after we'd cleaned the kitchen in our renty house, when I got home the back of the car was wet where it had leaked out. So maybe people who do hang do do bags off trees think they'll just like, vanish.
Where I ride, despite there being lots of dog-walkers that use the area, it's not really a problem. What is a problem however is the amount of horse-sh1te that can be on the trails now that the access laws have changed.
I quite like seeing the horses out and about (especially when the lady riders have tight jodphurs on) but it seems odd that dog owners have to pick up the sh1te from their animals but horse riders don't.
Why on earth would you bag dog poo when you're out for a walk in the countryside, anyway? In a park, on the pavement - of course, but in the countryside???
Kick it off the trail, and you're done.
"I quite like seeing the horses out and about (especially when the lady riders have tight jodphurs on) but it seems odd that dog owners have to pick up the sh1te from their animals but horse riders don't. "
Not at all, dogs are carnivores, horses are herbivores- dog poo contains part digested red meat so it attracts pests, and it's pretty nasty stuff in its own right, because of the common presence of toxocara larvae, not to mention that it's long lived. Whereas horse poo is mainly just partly digested grass, it's still not pleasant to get covered in it but it's not harmful, it degrades faster, and it doesn't attract bugs in the same way. You can't really compare the two.
Had to laugh last week out driving. I came to the end of a T-Junction and stopped to check for traffic. A woman on a horse was coming toward the junction, and on seing my car from the side of it's blinkers the horse jumped into the next lane, where the approaching car had to slam on it's brakes to avoid an equine moment. The woman then started spouting forth and screaming about the car and how it should have slowed down. I looked and saw the huge pile of crap her horse had just done on the road and shouted at her "Your horse isn't capable of being on the roads, and clean that mess up while you'r there".
She shut up and rode off, chewing the marbles in her mouth angrily.
Had to laugh last week out driving. I came to the end of a T-Junction and stopped to check for traffic. A woman on a horse was coming toward the junction, and on seing my car from the side of it's blinkers the horse jumped into the next lane, where the approaching car had to slam on it's brakes to avoid an equine moment.
? Yeah thats really funny
Around my way, the dogs seem split between pooing in bags and hanging them on trees, or putting the bags in the red poo bins. The dilemma for the poor wee puppies seems to be whether they should litter the paths, or litter our front garden and bay window when the filthy, pestilent, local chav's reach into the red bins, fish out the bags and throw them at windows. I'd like to catch a couple of them and rub their noses in it. 👿
When I run with my dog I take bags in my pack. If he poos anywhere near the entrance to the woods and trails I bag it and bin it. If it's a way in I bag it and put it beside a tree or near a bush to pick up when I return.
However deep into the woods were you only see ten people a year or less I'll kick into the undergrowth. Also if he poos off piste out of harms way I'll leave it.
Sometimes I've returned and the bag has gone. And I notice that some poos I've had to avoid at the start of a run have gone when I get back, like something eaten them!
How do you view my actions, because I do think alot about it, but I can't bring myself to run for an hour with doggy party bags in my hands.
Not at all, dogs are carnivores, horses are herbivores- dog poo contains part digested red meat so it attracts pests, and it's pretty nasty stuff in its own right, because of the common presence of toxocara larvae, not to mention that it's long lived. Whereas horse poo is mainly just partly digested grass, it's still not pleasant to get covered in it but it's not harmful, it degrades faster, and it doesn't attract bugs in the same way. You can't really compare the two.
+1, have you never noticed that dog poo stinks to high heaven, where as cow, horse, sheep shit doesnt.
there a sign oop llandegla along the lines of
"please dont bag your dog craps, we have no where to put it, its "[i]the woods[/i]" ffs, just flick it off the path, into the trees and all will be well"
tis very astute of them.
ive no problems with dogs crapping in the country side, as long as im not gonna walk through it or ride through it.
bag it and take it home
my experience would be what some dog walkers consider far enough away from the car to leave it as is at side of path is within easy walking distance for my kids and kids usually run around in the leaves at the side of paths
as to bags in trees / on fences it seems to be amd more common - yes dog walkers are taking it off the path but just throwing it in the bushes isn't really making anywhere a pleasant place to be
and yes i spent 15minutes on Sunday wiping dog shit off a 6 year olds hands, legs, shorts, gloves , downtube, brakes and wheels - oh what fun it is
oldgit - your actions seem fine, but it still makes the place look grim when you leave them lying around, but I suppose it's better than nothing. Maybe someone only visits for half an hour and visits while your dog eggs are bagged by the trail, you've spoiled those peoples day/view just as much as the the people who left it there all week.
IMO if you're not prepared to bag it and carry it, or bag it and bin it (for whatever reason) you shouldn't have bought a dog, or taken it with you when you were unable/unwilling to pick it up. Off-piste is fine, leave the dog to it. But beware that off-piste to you may not be off-piste to others, like orienteering chaps etc. Though you have to draw the sensible line somewhere.
A few years ago the mabie red route was having some repairs carried out and they redirected the start along some walkers/dog walking routes. I was shocked at how disgusting the smell was and eventually worked out that it was dog poo.
So not only do they spoil the scenery with doggy bags hanging all over the place. They actually turn their pleasant experience into a horrid, smelly dog poo infested torture.
Dont get me started on dog walkers letting their dogs crap on the grass area in front of my house. I have threatened to pick up dog poos in my hands and rub it in the owners face if they didnt take it with them. You should see their faces when they realise that i am serious. There are a lot of kids that use the grass area.
Actually sorry if it sounds like back pedaling, I tend to run where there isn't anyone about i.e more than 100 metres from the car park/cafe/ice cream van.
If I ran near the main area visited by people having a day out I'd have a hard job, it wouldn't look like much of a run more like a spazzy version of hopscotch due to the vast ammount of doggy doos underfoot.
I noticed a sign at Swinley saying to remove it from the paths - bag it or push it into the undergrowth - this seems ok to me too, but its obvious WHY scummy people chuck the bags in the bushes/trees - cos people are lazy, inconsiderate bastards.
It's just one of those many things that happen (eg. rubbernecking) that NOBODY does, but somehow it happens all the time.
I repeat, people are lazy inconsiderate bastards.
And so are dogs. I mean why go in the middle of a path if your owner is too much of a lazy inconsiderate bastard to move it or pick it up?
Because dog owners are morons. That's why they own dogs in the first place.
I blame Thatcher
I don't see what's wrong with using bio-degradable bags to lob the poo into the undergrowth, certainly better than getting poo all over your shoes trying to kick it off the path in the absence of suitable sticks...
better than getting poo all over your shoes trying to kick it off the path in the absence of suitable sticks...
Yeah it can be a right bugger trying to find sticks in the woods.
ChrisS - MemberI don't see what's wrong with using bio-degradable bags to lob the poo into the undergrowth, certainly better than getting poo all over your shoes trying to kick it off the path in the absence of suitable sticks...
Now theres a troll if ever I saw one!
Just an FYI for all on biodegradable plastic bags...
They are designed to start decaying within 18 months - and to have gone completely within three years. But they take far longer to decay if they are exposed to the cold, or water.
Yeah it can be a right bugger trying to find sticks in the woods.
LMAO at Graham S. So true!
Dogs are a ****ing dangerous nuisance, people shouldn't be allowed to keep them unless they live on a farm or something!
Without all the shite there's something in the news every week it seems when a child has had it's face ripped off by some ****ing mutt!
It's not the dogs that are the problem, it's the owners.
Here's what happens. Someone takes their dog out for a walk. They're good middle class people so they bring their doggies poo bags with them like they've been told to do. Ooh, simon is going for a poo.
Adopt a grimmaced expression, put bag over your hand, grab the poo (don't look at it though), fold the bag over and tie it up. Now look around for a bin. There aren't any! Well that's just ridiculous, don't they know these woods are popular with dog walkers!!?? Well i'll just hang it on this tree and take it back to the bin in the car park on the way back.
"Come on Simon, walkies!"
Carry on with the 400m walk thinking about all the things the the modern day person has to worry about..have we run out of garlic cloves? Is there any peso left? Tsk! I can see that girl's tummy, etc, etc.
On the way back, with all this running through the walkers head they've forgotten about the bag of dog poo and allow themselves a little shake of the head at the state of the world when they see it hanging from a tree and the selfish people who put it there.
"Come on Simon, veggie chum for tea!"
Not sure it's just the owners, coffeeking. Do you fancy cycling past a pack of wild dogs?
There isn't any!
Tsk tsk [i][b]aren't[/b][/i]
I have no idea what you're talking about. 😉 I've edited that about 6 times now, I must have left my grammar in a poo bag somewhere.
It's not the dogs that are the problem, it's the owners.
Bullshit - all dangerous dogs should be banned.
It's not the dogs that are the problem, it's the owners.
Quite probably however I have been attacked on many occasions by savage dogs, less frequently by snarling owners and whilst the core of the problem may lie with the owner its often not possible to have this debate whilst "Fido" is trying to disembowel you!
Bullshit - all dangerous dogs should be banned.
WON'T SOMEONE THINK of the CHILDREN for gods SAKE!!!!!
Surely following that train of thought, shouldn't everything that's dangerous be banned.
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Just out of interest surfer, what injuries have you sustained when you have been attacked by these packs of savage dogs that are roaming the countryside?
roach - some breeds I agree are generally a bit too agressive to be on the trails/in public but general fido in the street is not the problem, it is their training that is at fault, regardless of how nice the owner is.
surfer - I agree that at teh time it's not helpful, but it's still the owners fault rather than the dog. It IT possible to train dogs not to go nuts and bark/bite at people, its possible to train them not to respond to fright with bark/bites. It's just that most people (and many trainers) dont know how (apparently, according to an eminent dog handler/trainer I know).
I personally have absolutely no love for dogs, but they do get the raw end of the poo stick.
Most things that are as dangerous as dogs are already banned. Luckily. It's just a historical accident that the dirty, sharp-toothed beasts are allowed to persist. If you invented dogs tomorrow, they'd be banned immediately.
If you invented dogs tomorrow, they'd be banned immediately.
Nonsense. And thank god the world still has some common sense in it.
Really, surely more people are injured or killed by cars than dogs every year and they aren't banned are they?
Come to think about it, I am sure that if you could be arsed to look it up there would be hundreds of thousands of things that cause more injuries and deaths than dogs every year and they aren't banned either.
So apart from that little inaccuracy, your point is entirely valid and well thought out, well done.
packs of savage dogs that are roaming the countryside?
err not sure I said that did I?
But to respond to the thrust of your question and to avoid the drama queen melodrama!
I have been bitten on 5 occasions (IIRC) over the years whilst minding my own business running along public paths etc. Some have required stiches and of course booster Tetanus injections.
The incidents that didnt require stiches still had puncture wounds and all involved destroyed clothing.
Does this answer your question?
Yes, and thats pretty shitty. If the dog is breaking the skin, then I hope you gave the owners a bollocking, and reported them as they don't deserve to own the dog.
Not really. You said that dogs aren't the problem, owners are. My reply is simply that dogs without owners are not very desirable either.
Really, surely more people are injured or killed by cars than dogs every year and they aren't banned are they?
True. And cars kill more people than guns, which explains why guns aren't banned either. Oh ... hang on a minute ...
So we should BAN everything?
Yes, and thats pretty shitty. If the dog is breaking the skin, then I hope you gave the owners a bollocking, and reported them as they don't deserve to own the dog.
On occasion I have done better and on one occasion I gave the animal the kicking of its life as well as punching the owner. I am no shrinking violet and in my experience owners are not interested in the potential danger their animals pose. I have also reported a couple of dangerous dogs on a route I use regualrly including providing reg numbers of their car. I see the same owners with the same dangerous animals running off a lead.
You are naive and I have a straightforward approach summarised as follows.
If your do does not bother me, (and that includes running up to me in a friendly way, jumping etc as I am not interested in hurting friendly or boisterous dogs) then thats fine.
However if your dog tries to bite or bares its teeth or runs at me in a way that indicates it may be aggresive I will have no qualms in kicking it in its teeth (if I can) if not I will defend myself in whatever way I need to. That may mean beating it with a stick/brick etc.
If this offends then tough.
[i]So we should BAN everything? [/i]
No, only things we don't like.
I've been biking and walking for decades through farms, across moores and through villages. Never yet met a dog that actually [i]bit[/i] me, or that would not run away if I turned and walked towards it. I'm sure if I did meet such a dog I'd also do anything to protect myself from it.
I've been biking and walking for decades through farms, across moores and through villages. Never yet met a dog that actually bit me, or that would not run away if I turned and walked towards it.
I am happy for you.
Thanks.
Surfer, sounds fair enough to me, and from a selfish viewpoint it's better that you do that to the dog and their owners rather than it attack a kid. Mind you I have to say, I have never experienced or seen any dog actually attacking anyone in years of riding/running/walking, neither has anyone I know, so to be attacked 5 times is very unlucky, so I can appreciate why you aren't keen on dogs.
I will admit I have had young dogs try and nip me in order to attempt to herd, however I have just yelled at them and they then run away, when they realize you don't want to play.
so to be attacked 5 times is very unlucky.
Maybe. I grew up in Liverpool and have been running for roughly 25 years. during those runs and not withstanding my own incidents I have been witness to quite a few others. Our long Sunday run would often go past farms with untethered dogs and the groups pace certainly picked up as we got near.
There were often near misses when by sheer numbers we chased dogs off. They were often seen as comical given that there may be upwards of 10 runners however few ran past the farms alone.
I suppose its one incident for every 5 years or roughly one every 1500 runs, I am suprised that you have never had an incident yourself or at least seen one!!
Or maybe you are similar to many owners in seeing a savage dog attack on a passer by as "high spirits"?
"herding" havent heard that one before, very good!
So we should BAN everything?
I think we have established that we should definitely ban dogs with guns from driving.
No, I see a dog biting anyone (or even snapping at someone) as totally unacceptable. High spirits is total bullshit, and any owner who gives you that excuse deserves all the contempt you can give them, and the dog to be taken away from them.
"I think we have established that we should definitely ban dogs with guns from driving"
So what do we do with dogs that drive cars while in posession of guns, but are also smoking? Surely this is far more dangerous 😀
Yeah it can be a right bugger trying to find sticks in the woods.
Sorry, hadn't realised this thread only concerned woods.... besides it's actually not that straight forward when the footpaths are lined with waist deep brambles. I've got better things to do with my time than traipse up and down the path hunting for sticks with two dogs in tow. What would you prefer, dog poo liberally spread around all of the undergrowth lining the path where it's been flicked using sticks or shoes? or bagged and lobbed well out of the way where it can be left to decompose harmlessly?
Don't know why I ever bother reading threads about dogs on this forum, of all the topics that get discussed this one seems to attract the most boreish and intolerant responses.
On occasion I have done better and on one occasion I gave the animal the kicking of its life as well as punching the owner.
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What would you prefer, dog poo liberally spread around all of the undergrowth lining the path where it's been flicked using sticks or shoes? or bagged and lobbed well out of the way where it can be left to decompose harmlessly?
Neither one, and it's your responsibility, as a dog owner, to find the solution.
I've got better things to do with my time than traipse up and down the path hunting for sticks with two dogs in tow.
we've got better things to do than moaning about the sh1t you feel it's socially acceptable to dump next to paths
IME
the dog's IQ is higher than the owners
arguing with dog owners is pointless
their dogs "high spirits" is your trip to casualty
Finally; dogs should be banned from public parks, a lot of people don't like dogs, like them even less when the owner things it OK for them to run free and interfer with people trying to enjoy the space with their kids (and then usually scarper)
http://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/4627859.Warning_after_dog_attack_in_Redditch_park/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8255265.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article834254.ece
I actually find other things more offensive than poo in our woods, forsest and trails. Namely the car followed closely by the visitor centre and the associated car park.
What would you prefer, dog poo liberally spread around all of the undergrowth lining the path where it's been flicked using sticks or shoes? or bagged and lobbed well out of the way where it can be left to decompose harmlessly?
as DJ said neither - this does appear to be the attitude that many dog owners are adopting and is plain wrong
we've got better things to do than moaning about the sh1t you feel it's socially acceptable to dump next to paths
I feel that do I? You obviously know me well, funny I don't recognise your name......
IME
the dog's IQ is higher than the owners
IME you are an intolerant arse, making sweeping generalisations from the safety of your keyboard.
Neither one, and it's your responsibility, as a dog owner, to find the solution.
I wonder whether, ecologically speaking, it's better decomposing slowly in biodegradable bags, well off the beaten track, in woods, or dumped in non-biodegradable bags in dustbins and thence on to fester in a council tip? I honestly don't know the answer.