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I already had, it didn’t accord with what I’ve witnessed over the years on here which was the basis for my comment – which also means it wasn’t baseless.
So then you're asserting that there's double standards. Example or retraction please.
Even if people don't closely study the past, the ideologies of each party etc,. it should really be clear to most what the intentions are of each party and how they act/react to situations - almost a what would tory party do vs what would labour party do.
Because the tories are better at being tories than Labour, despite their best efforts.
"leaving vote 'haemmoraging' Corbyn in charge"
Interesting people keep repeating this lie - I suppose the maxim is true in that regard. Just to note: Labour got 10.3 million votes in the last election. That's' more than Milliband, more than Brown and more than Blair in the 2005 election. Corbyn was the most effective opposition leader by inflicting the most defeats on government. The MSM were universally opposed to him because they reflect the interests of an established elite.
What public figure can survive that sort of onslaught and still have any sort of popularity? In that sense, the 2017, and 2019 election were all the more surprising. Remember that at the height of the panic, the DM was printing 17 or 18 double spreads with mudslinging. Here's a great example of the BBC spin being challenged by Dennis Skinner. That it is the same presenter who 'took a night off' recently speaks volumes.
During the recent general election, I heard one traditional labour voter put it better than Anyone else I’d heard recently. He said that labour was no longer the party of the working man. He felt that labour today was the party for people who don’t work or don’t want to work. He felt that the only realistic alternative for people who work, and want to get ahead by their own efforts, is the Tory party.
For myself, I don’t live in Englandshire, so I don’t get to choose between labour and Tory. But I still think that traditionally, the Tory party has stood for the ethos of “get business And the economy right, and there will be more money to go around for everyone, which will pay for hospitals, trains, etc etc etc”. Labour have always been more of a “take care of the vulnerable first, and this will be a place where people want to live and work”.
It’s really sad when people (in this forum) fall into hardened groups on either side of the divide. Labour voters who automatically think that everything the tories do is evil. And Tory voters who believe that labour will automatically destroy every business in the UK within moments of taking power.
Interesting people keep repeating this lie – I suppose the maxim is true in that regard. Just to note: Labour got 10.3 million votes in the last election. That’s’ more than Milliband, more than Brown and more than Blair in the 2005 election. Corbyn was the most effective opposition leader by inflicting the most defeats on government. The MSM were universally opposed to him because they reflect the interests of an established elite.
Thats a very positive way of downplaying getting your arse handed to you in the last election.
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Tory party has stood for the ethos of “get business And the economy right, and there will be more money to go around for everyone, which will pay for hospitals, trains, etc etc etc”.
That *was* what the Tories were about but the current incarnation don't really seem anchored in any sort of economic or social doctrine. I think the core theme is English Nationalism. They can swing whatever way is expedient on social and economic issues.
Our local conservatives were raging about one of the labour run councils (there are 5 councils making up the region) getting involved in funding and running a hotel development. Meanwhile, the conservative mayor made it his election pledge to buy the frickin local airport.
The decision to buy the airport in 2019, timing wise, was an absolute disaster. £10m of tax payers cash handed to private investors. Rate payers now left with a cash burning disaster of an airport which now has no viable long term business plan. Clearly buying the airport goes against all traditional conservative principles but was popular locally because of nostalgia and local prestige.
What Johnhe ^^^^ said. This forum is full to the brim with the sanctimonious.
TBF, the Tories are doing quite well by themselves at the moment on this score, without any help.
Labour voters who automatically think that everything the tories do is evil.
Despite popular misconceptions, the economy has never done well under the tories* so they tend to 'press down on the margins and cut costs' ie reduce pay, cheapen goods, cut tax for the rich. However apparently the Nudge Unit have been tasked for some while to research expansive Keynesian anti-austerity strategies but I really can't see this spineless lot doing anything ambitious that would benefit the many. More likely a few plum contracts for Serco etc who will temporarily recruit people on minimum wage so the only expansive bit will be the shareholders' wallets.
*it's worth remembering that the 'terrible' 1970s was a period of greater equality on the Lorenz curve. Having no street lights in cities also encouraged all sorts of marvellous youthful pursuits, it wasn't just about uncollected bins and unburied stiffs.
Despite popular misconceptions, the economy has never done well under the tories
Yes, some of us know that while the majority just believe the hype around Tories being better at economy, giving people a better chance to be one of the elite etc,. whereas in reality it is the opposite.