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HW Tilman
Carl Lewis or Joss Naylor.
Phidippides.
No beer - damn beat me to Joss! So +1
Is Phidippides related to Philippides in some way? 😉
Your'e never gonna work out who the greatest ever is. Too many sports to take in & lots of sportsmen & women who are/have excelled at their particular sport.
But for my penneth...
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Wayne Gretzky isn't called 'The Great One' for nothing.
Jim Thorpe. Won the 1912 Olympic Pentathlon and Decathlon and was a good enough all rounder to play professional American football, baseball, and basketball.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Thorpe
the man was a machine on a bike
The man was (the best drugs taking) machine on a bike
runs for cover
@thm- both spellings are apparently valid. Pedant. 🙂
Ali. Maybe you have to be "of an age" but it was the way he transcended his sport.
See those who think Ali shouldn't be on the podium because of this and that are forgetting something very important. Ali completely transcended sport. Actually he transcended politics and religion too. There isn't another compatible athlete that has ever lived. And he was loved and hated in equal measures across the globe but no-one ever doubted his bravery and courage and everybody knew his name. Ali is the greatest, not for his titles or his achievements in boxing. And really that says it all.
So they are - at least three spellings I can see now! I stand corrected - apologies for failed pedantry!!
You always learn something on STW.
but it was the way he transcended his sport
And this for me is why many of the above suggestions are bollocks.
And why Ali, Pele, Seve, Senna are fair suggestions.
Got to be Lance 7 TDF wins, even on drugs thats got to be hard...he's also managed to clean the sport up....chapeau
Or Messi.....
Elbry transcends most common thoughts on mtbing.
Another vote for Bob Nudd
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but it was the way he transcended his sport
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but it was the way he transcended his sport
Statistically there are two sportsman who stand out when compared to everyone else who has played the same sports before or since. By stand out I mean at least a standard deviation ahead of the best other sports people before or since.They are Don Bradman and Wayne Gretsky
Yes, but Bradman couldn't bowl. Garry Sobers could - quick swing, wrist spin or finger spin - world record holder for highest score for over 30 years and one of the best close catchers the game has known. And he did a fair amount of it whilst knocking back the rum and cokes of an evening. Add in a scratch golf handicap left handed and playing off of 4 (I think) right-handed, and you have one hell of a sportsman.
We need 2 catagories...games and sport.
Ed Moses has to be on the list.
We need 2 categories...games and sport.
which does cricket fall into...?
and football..?
Joe Calzaghe was a better pound for pound fighter than Mo-hammered "I am the veinest" Ali, imo. So Joe Calzaghe.
Also the one and only Pele must get a vote for his effortless displays of skills and style on the world-stage.
Ali - By the simple expedient of asking 6 women that happen to be in my house currently, it's just not quantifiable but ask 100 people and I reckon Ali wins every time.
ali is a very lazy answer though isn't it..?
we've all been conditioned by the media to consider ali 'the greatest'
but what is it exactly that makes him so..?
we've all been conditioned by the media to consider ali 'the greatest'
That's your answer right there!
I'll second the HW Tilman.
We need 2 categories...games and sport.which does cricket fall into...?
and football..?
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There are three sports, bullfighting, motor-racing and mountaineering. Everything else is merely a game.
Ernest Hemmingway.
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And good shout for Joss Naylor. [there was a good song about him over on the youtube but it seems to have vanished, link anyone?)
I don't think Phidipedes (sp?) was doing it as a sport though, he was just trying to go somewhere quicker than walking.
yunki - Memberali is a very lazy answer though isn't it..?
we've all been conditioned by the media to consider ali 'the greatest'
but what is it exactly that makes him so..?
Totally agree.
Ask these people why he is the greatest. And they will struggle .. and say because he transcended this - that - or whatever ... 🙄
And what they really mean is. He was hyped a great deal along time ago .. and their father repeated it to them when they were young ... and its kinda stuck ever since.
The greatest sportsman ... never.
Greatest over-hyped sportsman ... probably.
Ali is as much the greatest sportsman ever as Armstrong is the greatest cyclist ever.
The media may often say so. But that doesnt always mean its correct.
Roger Federer.
I have never seen an athlete capable of such artistry in any sport.
Had Redgrave been black and from Harlem and he'd changed his religion to Jedi halfway through his career, would it of made his achievements any greater?
Well, yes, possibly, if the doing of those things greatly endangered his ability to achieve those achievements. It's easy from 40 years later to forget how potent the forces of segregation and racism were - there were many people who attempted to end Ali's career for his political and religous beliefs.
The difference is between being quite good at games and being a great person - Ali was a good sportsman, but also entertaining and engaging, and a man of principle, and who was a participant in pivotal and zeitgeisty events. Redgrave is just some guy that won ribbons for moving the boats fastest. Ali was a lightning rod for the conflicts emerging out of the civil rights struggle. Redgrave is a tedious man in a boring sport.
The question is fatuous.
Roger Federer.I have never seen an athlete capable of such artistry in any sport.
I have to agree with this. Federer in his pomp hit shots that you wouldn't thought possible.
The GOAT.
Edit: Senna also did this, Donington 93, quali at Monaco in 88 etc.
Well if Joss is getting a shout
Helene Diamantides
It's easy from 40 years later to forget how potent the forces of segregation and racism
In which case, Jesse Owens
Senna also did this, Donington 93, quali at Monaco in 88 etc
88 was way before my time but I can just about remember Donnington, he was just in a different league to everyone else. Button in Canada last year was the closest to that kind of thing we've seen recently. The others all pick Senna when asked to pick the greatest (even Prost concedes he was very good) Schumacher picked Senna as the best but has also been quoted as saying the only driver he really feared was Mika Hakkinen.
I'm still going for Nuvolari or Surtees though.
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Or for an example of great sportsmanship, Peter Collins. He could have won the world championship, and was practically a certainty when Fangio's car broke down in the final race of the year. He stopped his car, got out and gave it to Fangio. "You take it, I'm still young and will get my chance again" (or words to that effect) He was killed the following year.
Pie monster, good call on Owens, or how about Major Taylor?
Schumacher picked Senna as the best but has also been quoted as saying the only driver he really feared was Mika Hakkinen
I think he said this as mika was his biggest rival he fought against all season, for multiple seasons.
In the early 90's senna and Schumacher locked horns on occasion, but never went head to head for the championship.
games....if you "play" it, its a game. Not saying a game is less worthy than a sport... 🙂which does cricket fall into...?
and football..?
You've got to play the numbers, right? Frinstance, it can't be Redgrave, because he's great but only at a sport nobody does. Whereas Pele, Zidane etc are all greats, at the world's most popular sport. If 100,000 times more people did rowing, would Redgrave still be in the top 100 of rowers?
Only slightly trolling.
Reinhold Messner
A mad machine of a man
Pele, obviously. Honorable mentions to Bradman and Gretsky for being miles better than anyone else in their chosen niche. But everyone plays football, and Pele is thus far better than everyone else at it.
On this subject, BBC2 8pm, Racing Legends - Stirling Moss
I think fishing has the highest number of participents....now we need 3 cats game sport and hobby...
I have to agree with this. Federer in his pomp hit shots that you wouldn't thought possible.
Could say the same about Lin Dan.
I feel sorry for anyone who's ever had to play him.
Phil The Power Taylor has dominated Darts for over 20 years, surely got to be considered as a true great. And before you say darts isn't a sport, it's shown on Sky Sports so its a sport.