[Closed] Who would buy a gun then?

[i]Feel perfectly safe where I live, never felt threatened enough to want one[/i]

but if you thought everyone else had been and bought one would you still feel the same?

My penis is small, and I can't afford a big car, so a big scary gun seems an ideal solution.

I wouldn't either. Not many potential gun-toters round my way.

but if you thought everyone else had been and bought one would you still feel the same?

Excellent point. Would like to say no but I'm really not sure.

I think that if you or I could buy guns, then there'd be a lot of guns around, and getting one would be a lot easier.

People here attempt to commit crimes with knives, replicas, ancient WW2 things that don't work, all sorts. Not M16s or Glocks.

Many crimes are committed by people who've never committed crimes before, and hence have no record and are able to help themselves to guns in the USA.

What amuses me is how many people in the US think that simply owning a gun protects you in some way. The is an argument that it makes you more likely to get shot yourself if your assailant thinks you might shoot him.

When you absolutely, positively, got to kill every mother****er in the room

AK 47 for me please

Feel perfectly safe where I live, never felt threatened enough to want one

if the gun laws were the same as US would you still feel safe with every possible nut job owning a gun ??

waswas beat me to it .

If everyone else had one, I certainly would. Although I'd probably get one anyway, I like target shooting. (Target as in a paper thing 25m away, not a person!)

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Hmm, just remembered the commute in this morning and changed my mind... 👿

Just one?

Glock 18
HK USP (silenced)
L85A2 with underslung grenade launcher
Mini-14 with folding stock in chrome (a la A-Team)
AA12
P90
Accuracy international .338 with fancypants scope.

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MG42
Bren

71% of members of the NRA think that people on the US Terrorist Register should be stopped from owning guns.

so nearly 3 out of 10 of them think that terrorists should have the same rights to gun ownership as everyone else.

It's a scary country sometimes.

Reckon if they became legal and easy to obtain I'd probably want as big a gun as possible, just in case like......

Not a gun nut but if I was going to get one I would go extreem and get one of those Terminator 2 Gatling numbers, no point in half measures.
On a related note played airsoft recently at a company do and it was strange seeing some people acting differently once they had a replica (and they do look real) weapon in their hands.
I did have one exactly like Lazybikes, an M4 carbine....
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Brand X body armour is great for Airsoft!

I'd quite like a sniper rifle. I've always enjoyed shooting, but only at targets. Any other use really doesn't interest me at all. I'm perfectly happy with the current gun laws, I can cope with not being allowed one without significant training/license/safe storage and a good reason.

IF UK law went mad and everyone could buy guns with very little restriction, and they were allowed to carry guns in public, and the law allowed lethal force in self-defence, then yes I probably would consider carrying a small automatic.

Or I'd move to a different country.

(which is pretty much why I'm glad we have sane gun laws)

If I lived in the US, hell yes, but over this side of the pond, if we had the same gun laws, I don't think I would.

[edit] hang on, I do own a gun, silly me 😯

wants ^^^^^ (hmm the AR15/M14 pictured above) ever since playing CT.

Very much the case that if eveyone could have them, I'd have one to keep them out. And a fully stocked bunker, and a humvee (proper one) and a.....

Awesome. F@*k yeah!

I'm sure that their are a number of illegaly held firearms within a few hundred yards of my home. One of my clients was found walking at night with one in the next street over. They are often recoverd on drug raids.

The criminals rarely resort to them except for inter criminal violence. I would feel a lot less safe if i and all my neighbours had the capabillity to turn our street into down town Bassra as soon as we felt jumpy.

Is it Switzerland where you get to keep your assault rifle after your national service....

I'd have a General Electric minigun like the one Blaine had in Predator.

Interesting question. I might be tempted from a sports perspective I suppose, target shooting or such, but then I could do much the same with air pistols or shotguns now anyway so there doesn't seem a lot of point. For 'defence' I wouldn't run out and buy one unless there was a compelling reason to do so, and TBH I think I'd rather just move.

I own a bow which arguably could be as effective a weapon as a gun, but lacks the intimidation factor and is a bit harder to slip under your coat on a night out.

If I lived in the US, hell yes, but over this side of the pond, if we had the same gun laws, I don't think I would.

really , why not ?

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i'm not sure i'd want to live in this country anymore if gun laws were relaxed, generations brought up on shooty computer games takes a lot of fear/respect for the power of what a gun can do away 🙁

tis my opinion, not stating it as a fact so don't go demanding figures and facts from me.

the first (thing nearly every guy i know who has gone to america) has on their to-so list is to go to a shooting range and play with guns 🙁

i don't like violence.

If I lived in the US, hell yes

What situation can you imagine where it'd be an advantage to be armed?

the first thing nearly every guy i know who has gone to america as on their to-so list is to go to a shooting range and play with guns

I got my father in law to take me to a range a while back (he goes hunting, his guns are only for that not for show). It was good, but I only liked the tiny .22 pop pop pistol. I really did not like the .44 Magnum at all.

Target shooting appeals to me.

if the gun laws were the same as US would you still feel safe with every possible nut job owning a gun ??

You might feel like you wanted one but I'm pretty sure the stats show you are more likely to get killed if you own a gun than not.

The price of freedom?

Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed that, on average, one child died every three days in accidental [firearms] incidents in the United States from 2000 to 2005

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I want a rocket launcher! Why can't I have a rocket launcher? 🙁

binners is Sue Barker and I claim my £5.

I want a rocket launcher! Why can't I have a rocket launcher?

Namby pamby, nanny-state pinko liberal political correctness gone mad, that's why.

I want a rocket launcher!

What situation can you imagine where it'd be an advantage to be armed?

Someone breaking into my bike shed.

I want a rocket launcher! Why can't I have a rocket launcher?

If CounterStrike/Quake has taught me anything it is that a rocket launcher is far more likely to kill you than anyone you attempt to fire it at - especially if you are running backwards and crouch-jumping at the same time. 😀

no chance, I do not have the slightest interest whatsoever. The gun is possibly the worst invention ever by mankind. It was once thought that the invention of the Gat gun would end war.

[i]Richard Gatling created his gun during the American Civil War, he sincerely believed that his invention would end war by making it unthinkable to use due to the horrific carnage possible by his weapons.[/i]

If Battlefield2 has taught me anything it is if there is someone lying down shooting at me the best defence is to jump up and down and to the side.

I was thinking of adding this to the other US/Gun thread earlier...

How we moan about the living in the UK on here.

But I know where i'd rather be living... very sad that all those people are going out to buy guns to feel "safe".

and correct me please if I'm wrong.

The gun laws in US (Right to bare arms etc) I presumed are for self defence and that meant in your home.... So, how does owning a gun help when you out watching a movie ??

If gun crime was rife and a large proportion of the criminal population had them then yes, a concealed carry P229 anti snag would be a sensible option.
If it were just for show or fun, then no. I have plenty of experience with automatic weapons for the novelty to have long worn off.

binners - may I recommend the magnificently named Taepodong 2

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If gun crime was rife and a large proportion of the criminal population had them then yes, a concealed carry P229 anti snag [b]would be a sensible option.[/b]

Again, except for the fact that it would mean you were more likely to be killed.

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I like that hat, it matches my lipstick.

In my head, it's more like...

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... but you're probably right.

[i]I presumed are for self defence and that meant in your home[/i]

Originally it was so they could have a citizen Militia in the event of the Brits trying to take the place back. We had the same thing in this country for hundreds of years - each Lord had to provide so many knights/foot soldiers etc so a large part of the population were under arms at any one time.

We've managed to move away from this as we didn;t have a written constitution so just changed the rules to suit the change in situation but they haven't.

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i wouldnt be interested in any circumstances.
however, i am interested in facts and figures, and i can vaguely remember reading a number of years ago about how many americans had shot themself while playing with their own guns.
so, i googled 'i shot myself', top search result was ishotmyself.com.
i thought 'great, it will be full of ****s who have shot themselves'
well, i was correct. they had all shot themselves, but not with guns, they used cameras instead.
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Namby pamby, nanny-state pinko liberal political correctness gone mad, that's why.

Wasn't there legal challange in Ammerica for the right to privately own nuclear missiles?

no id be too worried about my kids getting hold of them

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Right to bare arms etc

Otherwise we're just going to see more and more cases like this

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Had tis chat with my wife the other day, she now things I'm a scary end of the world vigilante type...

But, Given that I have been trained and trusted to use firearms safely and effectively in the past, if I knew pretty much everyone else on my street had a firearm, I would have one (or more) as well.

I know that sounds a bit mental but you wouldn't take a stick to a sword fight (ideally you'd run away).

I think OAPs should get one issued with their pension book, bet they'd feel safe on the streets at night then.

Unfortunately, here in the real world, 'owning a gun' in itself does not offer anyone any more security than they already have unarmed. If one purchases a gun for defensive use, one needs to train regularly, including in high stress situations, so that use of the gun becomes second nature and ingrained in muscle memory.

There have been plenty of cases where some idiot brandishing their firearm (prematurely) has actually caused criminals to start shooting resulting in needless deaths. The safe rule of thumb legally is, a weapon can only be drawn to be used, and then only to protect life (and there was no other option). Pulling a weapon out as a threat is a big no no.

Someone breaking into my bike shed.

So you'd shoot them? Since when does theft carry the death penalty without trial?

What if they had also purchased fire arms? Would you like to be in a shootout with them, or would you let them take your bikes and hope you or your family weren't shot at?

So you'd shoot them? Since when does theft carry the death penalty without trial?

WWaswas ... thanks for the excellent answer... I vaguely knew that.

But maybe I didnt ask the question correctly, I'll try again.

In the US with a legally obtain gun, can you go to the movies with it in your pocket?

Otherwise we're just going to see more and more cases like this

Bad photoshoping is hardly the fault of American gun laws is it?

So you'd shoot them? Since when does theft carry the death penalty without trial?

T'was a joke grips. Chillax.

The point about when is having a gun useful is a good one.

In reality I'd think a situation like an armed home invasion, or something like the Derrick Bird/Cumbria shootings where some nutter is casually walking down your street shooting folk.

In the US with a legally obtain gun, can you go to the movies with it in your pocket?

Depends on the state. Most yes (with a license). Called the right to [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States ]"concealed carry"[/url].

In the US with a legally obtain gun, can you go to the movies with it in your pocket?

Yes, in some States and provided you have the appropriate concealed (or open) carry licence.

Edit: as above answer.

The gun laws in US (Right to bare arms etc) I presumed are for self defence and that meant in your home.... So, how does owning a gun help when you out watching a movie ??

The right to self defence gives you the right to defend both yourself and others (who may be unable or unwilling to defend themselves). How does owning a gun help you when out watching a movie? In a worst case scenario, by giving you a chance to save yourself and others.

Again, except for the fact that it would mean you were more likely to be killed.

No, it would give 1/2 a chance of not being killed. That's better than none.

If one purchases a gun for defensive use, one needs to train regularly, including in high stress situations, so that use of the gun becomes second nature and ingrained in muscle memory.

What on earth would you know about it?

Yeah, I'd have one. It would by default make me better than everyone who doesn't have a gun and I could kill people to death with it until they were dead.

n' stuff.

It would have to be a thing of beauty. This, for instance:

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An interesting question might be, who currently carries a knife?

What on earth would you know about it?

I know enough.

Shot PP1, PP2, Practical, and carried defensively abroad.

"Depends on the state. Most yes (with a license). Called the right to "concealed carry". "

Blooming hell... madness

Sod living with the thought of walking down the road wondering wether matey over there, has a gun on his person.

Edit.. No wonder they drive EVERYwhere 🙂

No, it would give 1/2 a chance of not being killed. That's better than none.

You really think it works out that way? Like a cowboy duel?

The thing is, if you let 'good' people have guns, then the bad people will have many more.

Shootings like the cinema one seem to be much more likely in the US. Anyone have any stats on per capita shooting sprees?

The thing is, if you let 'good' people have guns, then the bad people will have many more.

I think everyone (so far) agrees that it would be a "bad thing" to have relaxed gun laws (like the States) - it is just a question about your response if we did.

I was brought up just outside Inverness where most of my family were either farmers, ghillies or game keepers working on the local farms & estates. For them all, guns were literally tools of the trade.

I've owned my own shotguns / rifles since I was legally old enough to own them. They're all frequently used....for the odd bit of clay pigeon shooting but mostly to kill pests / game, the game always ends up in a freezer and eaten.

The guns are all under lock and key with all the ammunition separately stored in another locked cabinet....and I'm the only one who knows where the keys are.

I go to extreme lengths to ensure my kids are never in contact with them unless they're out with me shooting.

I know I'm being anal but I've known too many people who've had genuine accidents with guns and either lost their lives or been seriously injured.

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

US is a bad example - the situation over there is nuts.

If you want a good example of an armed, responsible, populace, look at Switzerland

Switzerland is also nuts, in a different way. Would not want to live there either.

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

You really don't know? It's a power trip. US culture is a lot more macho than here.

carried defensively abroad.

Of course you have. 😆

I was brought up just outside Inverness where most of my family were either farmers, ghillies or game keepers working on the local farms & estates. For them all, guns were literally tools of the trade.

I've owned my own shotguns / rifles since I was legally old enough to own them. They're all frequently used....for the odd bit of clay pigeon shooting but mostly to kill pests / game, the game always ends up in a freezer and eaten.

The guns are all under lock and key with all the ammunition separately stored in another locked cabinet....and I'm the only one who knows where the keys are.

I go to extreme lengths to ensure my kids are never in contact with them unless they're out with me shooting.

I know I'm being anal but I've known too many people who've had genuine accidents with guns and either lost their lives or been seriously injured

This 100% - brought up with and have owned guns. Nothing unusual out in the countryside. To be treated with utmost respect, but no reason for the hysterics that can arise from those who are not familiar

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

I can understand the fascination. As a bike rider, there are bikes I'd like to own - the appeal in the functionality, engineering, craftsmanship etc. Same with guns, to a degree. There are a number of quite old guns in the family - punt gun with a 1" bore (25mm), some old breach loaders and a gun by a famous name gunsmith with a damascus barrel. The craftsmanship is pure artistry.

I do draw a clear distinction though, bewtween these sort of "hunting" guns (be it shotguns or hunting rifles) and the sort of weapons that are popular in the US. The bulk of them, incl the handgun above ^, are designed to kill and maim people. I cannot comprehend a licensing / legal system that allows a private individual to bear anti-personnel weapons...

... uttertly insane.

It's a power trip. US culture is a lot more macho than here.

Agreed, based on my experience of the US.

BUT, can't imagine a worse ethic to combine with firearms.

I'd buy a bullet-proof vest and car instead.

I think everyone (so far) agrees that it would be a "bad thing" to have relaxed gun laws (like the States)

That's a big assumption seeing as it's not the question asked.

I'd buy a bullet-proof vest

Now that makes a lot of sense.

well, I've got two guns already and I haven't shot anyone.

would having a third gun that was a different shape to ther other two make me more likely to shoot anyone ❓

I've actually thought (post Hungerford) UK gun laws are too tight.

Well if we're taking the subject seriously...How many of us keep a burglar detterent near the bed or backdoor...

rkk01..totally with you on that one. Likewise have a few hand made shotguns in the family that literally took hundreds of hours of professional craftsmanship to make. They are indeed things of beauty (just like my Cotic Solaris!) I just can’t get my head around the fascination some have for things that are, as you say, designed to kill and maim.

I keep a hurley in the house.

That's a big assumption seeing as it's not the question asked.

But given that no one has said [i]"Bring it on! I'd love everyone in the UK to have unrestricted access to fully-automatic weapons and anti-personnel mines from age 16 onwards"[/i], I think it is a reasonable summary of the sentiments being expressed (so far).

designed to kill and maim.

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I was brought up just outside Inverness where most of my family were either farmers, ghillies or game keepers working on the local farms & estates. For them all, guns were literally tools of the trade.

I've owned my own shotguns / rifles since I was legally old enough to own them. They're all frequently used....for the odd bit of clay pigeon shooting but mostly to kill pests / game, the game always ends up in a freezer and eaten.

The guns are all under lock and key with all the ammunition separately stored in another locked cabinet....and I'm the only one who knows where the keys are.

I go to extreme lengths to ensure my kids are never in contact with them unless they're out with me shooting.

I know I'm being anal but I've known too many people who've had genuine accidents with guns and either lost their lives or been seriously injured.

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

I have been meaning to apply for my shotgun license for a while now and I am worried that all this stuff will mean I won't get it but then if the rules do change to make it harder with a system that really works to protect people I won't mind.

I have a spaniel half trained (1st dog) and will get myself another to train properly (as this one is the family pet really) to go shooting for with the intention to eat what we shoot and spend some time out with the dog doing what it was bred for. The meat will replace stuff we normally buy and make us more appreciative of it, much like now we have sheep and having helped out on a sheep farm to learn how to lamb. At the moment I am just learning with clays but really need to get a move on applying etc.