[Closed] Who would buy a gun then?

no id be too worried about my kids getting hold of them

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Right to bare arms etc

Otherwise we're just going to see more and more cases like this

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Had tis chat with my wife the other day, she now things I'm a scary end of the world vigilante type...

But, Given that I have been trained and trusted to use firearms safely and effectively in the past, if I knew pretty much everyone else on my street had a firearm, I would have one (or more) as well.

I know that sounds a bit mental but you wouldn't take a stick to a sword fight (ideally you'd run away).

I think OAPs should get one issued with their pension book, bet they'd feel safe on the streets at night then.

Unfortunately, here in the real world, 'owning a gun' in itself does not offer anyone any more security than they already have unarmed. If one purchases a gun for defensive use, one needs to train regularly, including in high stress situations, so that use of the gun becomes second nature and ingrained in muscle memory.

There have been plenty of cases where some idiot brandishing their firearm (prematurely) has actually caused criminals to start shooting resulting in needless deaths. The safe rule of thumb legally is, a weapon can only be drawn to be used, and then only to protect life (and there was no other option). Pulling a weapon out as a threat is a big no no.

Someone breaking into my bike shed.

So you'd shoot them? Since when does theft carry the death penalty without trial?

What if they had also purchased fire arms? Would you like to be in a shootout with them, or would you let them take your bikes and hope you or your family weren't shot at?

So you'd shoot them? Since when does theft carry the death penalty without trial?

WWaswas ... thanks for the excellent answer... I vaguely knew that.

But maybe I didnt ask the question correctly, I'll try again.

In the US with a legally obtain gun, can you go to the movies with it in your pocket?

Otherwise we're just going to see more and more cases like this

Bad photoshoping is hardly the fault of American gun laws is it?

So you'd shoot them? Since when does theft carry the death penalty without trial?

T'was a joke grips. Chillax.

The point about when is having a gun useful is a good one.

In reality I'd think a situation like an armed home invasion, or something like the Derrick Bird/Cumbria shootings where some nutter is casually walking down your street shooting folk.

In the US with a legally obtain gun, can you go to the movies with it in your pocket?

Depends on the state. Most yes (with a license). Called the right to [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States ]"concealed carry"[/url].

In the US with a legally obtain gun, can you go to the movies with it in your pocket?

Yes, in some States and provided you have the appropriate concealed (or open) carry licence.

Edit: as above answer.

The gun laws in US (Right to bare arms etc) I presumed are for self defence and that meant in your home.... So, how does owning a gun help when you out watching a movie ??

The right to self defence gives you the right to defend both yourself and others (who may be unable or unwilling to defend themselves). How does owning a gun help you when out watching a movie? In a worst case scenario, by giving you a chance to save yourself and others.

Again, except for the fact that it would mean you were more likely to be killed.

No, it would give 1/2 a chance of not being killed. That's better than none.

If one purchases a gun for defensive use, one needs to train regularly, including in high stress situations, so that use of the gun becomes second nature and ingrained in muscle memory.

What on earth would you know about it?

Yeah, I'd have one. It would by default make me better than everyone who doesn't have a gun and I could kill people to death with it until they were dead.

n' stuff.

It would have to be a thing of beauty. This, for instance:

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An interesting question might be, who currently carries a knife?

What on earth would you know about it?

I know enough.

Shot PP1, PP2, Practical, and carried defensively abroad.

"Depends on the state. Most yes (with a license). Called the right to "concealed carry". "

Blooming hell... madness

Sod living with the thought of walking down the road wondering wether matey over there, has a gun on his person.

Edit.. No wonder they drive EVERYwhere 🙂

No, it would give 1/2 a chance of not being killed. That's better than none.

You really think it works out that way? Like a cowboy duel?

The thing is, if you let 'good' people have guns, then the bad people will have many more.

Shootings like the cinema one seem to be much more likely in the US. Anyone have any stats on per capita shooting sprees?

The thing is, if you let 'good' people have guns, then the bad people will have many more.

I think everyone (so far) agrees that it would be a "bad thing" to have relaxed gun laws (like the States) - it is just a question about your response if we did.

I was brought up just outside Inverness where most of my family were either farmers, ghillies or game keepers working on the local farms & estates. For them all, guns were literally tools of the trade.

I've owned my own shotguns / rifles since I was legally old enough to own them. They're all frequently used....for the odd bit of clay pigeon shooting but mostly to kill pests / game, the game always ends up in a freezer and eaten.

The guns are all under lock and key with all the ammunition separately stored in another locked cabinet....and I'm the only one who knows where the keys are.

I go to extreme lengths to ensure my kids are never in contact with them unless they're out with me shooting.

I know I'm being anal but I've known too many people who've had genuine accidents with guns and either lost their lives or been seriously injured.

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

US is a bad example - the situation over there is nuts.

If you want a good example of an armed, responsible, populace, look at Switzerland

Switzerland is also nuts, in a different way. Would not want to live there either.

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

You really don't know? It's a power trip. US culture is a lot more macho than here.

carried defensively abroad.

Of course you have. 😆

I was brought up just outside Inverness where most of my family were either farmers, ghillies or game keepers working on the local farms & estates. For them all, guns were literally tools of the trade.

I've owned my own shotguns / rifles since I was legally old enough to own them. They're all frequently used....for the odd bit of clay pigeon shooting but mostly to kill pests / game, the game always ends up in a freezer and eaten.

The guns are all under lock and key with all the ammunition separately stored in another locked cabinet....and I'm the only one who knows where the keys are.

I go to extreme lengths to ensure my kids are never in contact with them unless they're out with me shooting.

I know I'm being anal but I've known too many people who've had genuine accidents with guns and either lost their lives or been seriously injured

This 100% - brought up with and have owned guns. Nothing unusual out in the countryside. To be treated with utmost respect, but no reason for the hysterics that can arise from those who are not familiar

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

I can understand the fascination. As a bike rider, there are bikes I'd like to own - the appeal in the functionality, engineering, craftsmanship etc. Same with guns, to a degree. There are a number of quite old guns in the family - punt gun with a 1" bore (25mm), some old breach loaders and a gun by a famous name gunsmith with a damascus barrel. The craftsmanship is pure artistry.

I do draw a clear distinction though, bewtween these sort of "hunting" guns (be it shotguns or hunting rifles) and the sort of weapons that are popular in the US. The bulk of them, incl the handgun above ^, are designed to kill and maim people. I cannot comprehend a licensing / legal system that allows a private individual to bear anti-personnel weapons...

... uttertly insane.

It's a power trip. US culture is a lot more macho than here.

Agreed, based on my experience of the US.

BUT, can't imagine a worse ethic to combine with firearms.

I'd buy a bullet-proof vest and car instead.

I think everyone (so far) agrees that it would be a "bad thing" to have relaxed gun laws (like the States)

That's a big assumption seeing as it's not the question asked.

I'd buy a bullet-proof vest

Now that makes a lot of sense.

well, I've got two guns already and I haven't shot anyone.

would having a third gun that was a different shape to ther other two make me more likely to shoot anyone ❓

I've actually thought (post Hungerford) UK gun laws are too tight.

Well if we're taking the subject seriously...How many of us keep a burglar detterent near the bed or backdoor...

rkk01..totally with you on that one. Likewise have a few hand made shotguns in the family that literally took hundreds of hours of professional craftsmanship to make. They are indeed things of beauty (just like my Cotic Solaris!) I just can’t get my head around the fascination some have for things that are, as you say, designed to kill and maim.

I keep a hurley in the house.

That's a big assumption seeing as it's not the question asked.

But given that no one has said [i]"Bring it on! I'd love everyone in the UK to have unrestricted access to fully-automatic weapons and anti-personnel mines from age 16 onwards"[/i], I think it is a reasonable summary of the sentiments being expressed (so far).

designed to kill and maim.

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I was brought up just outside Inverness where most of my family were either farmers, ghillies or game keepers working on the local farms & estates. For them all, guns were literally tools of the trade.

I've owned my own shotguns / rifles since I was legally old enough to own them. They're all frequently used....for the odd bit of clay pigeon shooting but mostly to kill pests / game, the game always ends up in a freezer and eaten.

The guns are all under lock and key with all the ammunition separately stored in another locked cabinet....and I'm the only one who knows where the keys are.

I go to extreme lengths to ensure my kids are never in contact with them unless they're out with me shooting.

I know I'm being anal but I've known too many people who've had genuine accidents with guns and either lost their lives or been seriously injured.

Guns were originally designed to kill....why the fascination? What is the big attraction in owning them?

I have been meaning to apply for my shotgun license for a while now and I am worried that all this stuff will mean I won't get it but then if the rules do change to make it harder with a system that really works to protect people I won't mind.

I have a spaniel half trained (1st dog) and will get myself another to train properly (as this one is the family pet really) to go shooting for with the intention to eat what we shoot and spend some time out with the dog doing what it was bred for. The meat will replace stuff we normally buy and make us more appreciative of it, much like now we have sheep and having helped out on a sheep farm to learn how to lamb. At the moment I am just learning with clays but really need to get a move on applying etc.

every living thing can kill or maim.....

Trees are vicious when cornered. And as for moss...

Trees are vicious when cornered. And as for moss...

...I slipped on moss and hit a tree....its like they were ganging up on me..

 

But given that no one has said "Bring it on! I'd love everyone in the UK to have unrestricted access to fully-automatic weapons and anti-personnel mines from age 16 onwards", I think it is a reasonable summary of the sentiments being expressed (so far).

Making another assumption does not change the facts.

andyl - Under UK law, anyone should be able to apply for, and be granted, a shotgun certificate. The onus is on the Chief Constable to ascertain who is unsuitable, not who is suitable...

Unfortunately, many Police Forces (and individual officers) have taken it upon themselves to go beyond the letter of the law and apply their own interpretation to it. In these circumstances, they are acting outside of the law, and when challenged have had to retract.

To legally own a shotgun / obtain a shotgun certificate, you need to show that you can keep the gun / ammunition as stipulated under law - ie securely, not have a criminal record and not have a medical condition that would / should preclude you from having a certificate granted.

Different matter for firearms certificate (FAC)

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FWIW:
What’s more dangerous: a swimming pool or a gun? When it comes to children, there is no comparison: a swimming pool is 100 times more deadly.

Making another assumption does not change the facts.

🙄 FFS, right allow me restate my original sentence then...

[s]I think[/s] [b]From my personal interpretation of the sentiments being expressed in this thread,[/b] everyone (so far) [b]appears to[/b] agree[s]s[/s] that it would be a "bad thing" to have relaxed gun laws (like the States)

Happy?

What’s more dangerous: a swimming pool or a gun? When it comes to children, there is no comparison: a swimming pool is 100 times more deadly.

[i]What’s more dangerous: a swimming pool or a gun? [/i]

"This is a stick up! I've got a swimming pool and I'm not afraid to use it"

Good job swimming pools are more expensive than guns...

And much harder to conceal under a coat.

Relaxed gun laws bad +1