I've got this as my (computer!) wallpaper at the mo, guess that makes me a full paid-up Star Wars geek then
That's fantastic.
However in order for that to apply to Star Wars you'd have to accept the bullsht explanation given in the first film, which to be fair is best forgotten. Or come up with something even more wacky.
A fair point, well made 🙂 (I admit mentioning Clarke was trolling you a bit...)
Though most people, including me, would classify Star Wars as a science fiction film, even if it doesn't fit your narrow definition. I'm guessing SF for you is "hard" SF, leaving space opera and the like out in the cold.
Well not necessarily - I consider Ian M Banks to be scifi even though it's space opera in nature. Because it's about what would happen if we became so good at making machines to do stuff that we could do whatever the hell we felt like.
I just don't see any science in Star Wars.
Not even the light sabres?
Nope.
They are simply weapons. The fact that they glow and buzz instead of go cling clang is not significant. They are made into potent weapons by use of a mystical magical force.. if that's not fantasy I dunno what is 🙂
Fair enough.
Geek.
😉
Aww, you're making me blush!
That's just the midi-chlorians getting agitated.
Wrong!
A lightsaber IS scientific....
[i]The weapon consisted of a blade of pure plasma energy emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape. The hilt was almost always self-fabricated by the wielder to match his or her specific needs, preferences and style. Due to the weightlessness of plasma and the strong gyroscopic effect generated by it, lightsabers required a great deal of strength and dexterity to wield, and was extremely difficult—and dangerous—for the untrained to attempt using.[/i]
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Wrong!A lightsaber IS scientific....
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^^ thisStarwars was a huge event when it came out
up until [i]Star Wars[/i] we'd had [i]The Towering Inferno[/i] and then [i]Jaws[/i]. Everyone in the cinema stood up and cheered when the shark got blown up and when Star Wars finished, the lights came on, everyone looked at everyone else and stayed where they were to watch it again. We hadn't seen anything like it before it was a truly amazing experience.
We're not [i]really [/i]dissecting the definition of the term "sci-fi" are we?
(Whilst simultaneously calling other people geeks? Paging Alanis Morissette...)
Cougar, subtle difference between critical analysis and geekery 🙂
Wow - jumped straight to the last page and that has [i]almost[/i] made me want to see it !everyone looked at everyone else and stayed where they were to watch it again. We hadn't seen anything like it before it was a truly amazing experience.
I'm not reading the whole thread I just want to know if anyone's been so upset by any remarks that they've been sick?
It's still not as good as Star Trek though.
Kirk getting off with a different coloured alien lass in every other episode...brilliant.
He'd knock 'Lord' Vader right out!
Cougar, subtle difference between critical analysis and geekery
How geeky do you have to be to recognise that?
(sorry, I'll stop now 🙂 )
as my mum said when she had watched stars wars for the first time...
"There's goodies and badies and a lot of flying about"...
summed it up pretty well.
I've never seen clone wars - does that count?
when Star Wars finished, the lights came on, everyone looked at everyone else and stayed where they were to watch it again. We hadn't seen anything like it before it was a truly amazing experience
I too remember quite vividly, aged 10, queueing around the block in order to go and see it with my best friend. The next week we did it again. Then again. I don't recall ever having to queue for any other film, ever. There were press reports everywhere of the queues, news reports on the telly. It really was a truly massive event at the time.
It really was a truly massive event at the time.
For nerds it was anyway.
I don't [i]think [/i]I was a nerd at 10.
But it was an event for nerds by the time Episode One came around. And yes I DID go to watch it at midnight on the night it came out but I wasn't ready for all the nerds dressed as SW characters. I had just been out with a mate, got pissed and thought it would be a good idea. Just like the film itself, it wasn't.
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Good qualifier there fanny 😛
(I'm only teasing of course. Not my cup of tea, but then many here would deride my film choices too.)
No offence taken - I like all sorts of film
Science AND Fiction
(Okay, so that Blues Brothers paraphrase doesn't work here does it)? 😆
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Okay, so that Blues Brothers paraphrase doesn't work here does it
If it's any help, I recognised the misquote before you lampshaded it.
I should have left it shouldn't I? Just trying too damn hard.
I've not seen Point Break. A mate on Thursday said he wouldn't talk to me again until I had... 🙁
The Matrix - great film, planned as the first part of a trilogy, spawned a couple of gash sequels
I cannot believe they wrote all that as a coherent plot in one go I assumed they made the first one it was a success and they just cashed in with some mumbo jumbo and nice effects.
I stand corrected and hate it more now I know this
[i]Star Wars[/i] had a massive impact on me as a kid... not ashamed to say that I still love the original films.
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Always was a Star Trek fan had never thought much of Star Wars (had seen New Hope years ago) till our youngest got in to lego Starwars recently.
So started watching and have to say I really enjoyed them. Prefer the Anakin ones TBO (Jar Jar Binks aside).
Sword fighting, hot women, spaceships, robots, guns.
Whats not to like?
Sniff.
hot women, spaceships, robots, guns.
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Ah, Col. Wilma Deering. Television's second sexiest Wilma.
I thought everyone preferred Betty Rubble to Fred's missus
Sure, I'd go with Betty, but I'd be thinking of Wilma.
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starwars was a success inspite of the fact that it was scifi, how anyone can say its not science enough, it has hyperspace, lasers, spaceships etc etc just because it doesnt dwell on the physics doesnt make it less sci-fi,
it also has a fair dose of fantasy and you can see the 7samurai/ western influence
it is a shame that a lot of people dismiss sci-fi out of hand especially literature, there are some awesome scifi authors out there and its a great mechanism to explore humanity and other complex issues
heinlien, dick, asimov, voenegut, gibson to banks, reynolds etc etc
ask most people what planet of the apes is about and they will say monkeys 🙁
fwiw i love pretty much all scifi and fantasy; trek , starwars, comics lotr the list is endless but i also love great films and books of any genre and it seems sad that people would exclude so much good stuff just because they dont like scifi (saying that i wont watch romcoms, reality tv or the films of goldie hawn)
id thoroughly reccomend the london film and comic con in june for a fiver it cant be beat...
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psa aliens starting on film4 right now
Ah, they'd be the Galactic Knights.
(*cough* so I've heard. You'd [url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/tdrury/5423103617/in/set-72157625989728484 ]never catch me at an event like that[/url].)
me or startrek
id thoroughly reccomend the london film and comic con in june for a fiver it cant be beat...
I'M THERE!
cougar hmm cant imagine what might attract you to cosplay.......
loved it when I was 6 years old in The Astra in Colwyn Bay in late 70's. Massive impression on me and my childhood. Unfortunately we have both aged and life has got a bit more complex. It's definitely a childhood thing, and it is a point of reference for bods of a certain age. certainly nostalgic. I think Star Wars is what got me into visual things, drawing spaceship battles and stuff, Imagining space worlds with Lego, etc.
watching The Wire boxset all night atm, brilliant as it is, I'll probably never be as immersed in a fictional universe as I was when I was 6 watching Star Wars.
I haven't seen it either. :O
cougar hmm cant imagine what might attract you to cosplay.......
I'm a bit cross about that tag actually. I was dressed for a fancy dress party.
how anyone can say its not science enough, it has hyperspace, lasers, spaceships etc etc just because it doesnt dwell on the physics doesnt make it less sci-fi
The reason it's not scifi is that all those sciency things are not actually part of the story. Replace space ships with horses, and planets with cities and the story would be exactly the same. The story does not depend on the science at all.
Compared to say The Culture from Ian M Banks - they are mainly about the fact that the Culture is vastly technologically superior to other societies, so the science is very important to the set-up even though it's not dwelt on or explained at all.
I think Tie Fighters, X-Wings and the Millennium Falcon are pretty integral to the story.
Oh, and the Death Star.
The Tie fighters could just as easily be F16s or cavalry. Doesn't matter at all to the story.
The Death star is perhaps the only bit of scifi in it, in that they have the power to destroy a planet, but that doens't really feature. They only use it to extract information from Leia (which I believe is done in other stories without the use of science) and from then on it could be a castle where the baddie lives.
If whizzy space ships make scifi, then surely aeroplanes would do too? Flying machines? So is Top Gun scifi?
If the Tie Fighters were cavalry then no one would have gone to see it.
Horses can't breathe in space either, at least I think they can't.
Now that's science.
Horses can't breathe in space either, at least I think they can't.Now that's science.
Molly... you've been defeated.
It all seems pretty inevitable as their granny (my mother in law) has a small part in return of the jedi.
... as an ewok? 🙂
this is a classic and tops them all,... just brilliant !!!!!!!! 😉
It's the Skywalker family saga. I liked it from the start.
And nerds (smart people who are interested in things) are good. Britain needs more nerds.
Molly... you've been defeated.
In a fantasty story I'd fall on my sword. I can make it a light sabre if you like and then this can be scifi?
are you saying horses can breath in space?
silly molly 😈
My dad took me to see Empire Strikes Back at the cinema when I was five. Terrified the bejesus out of me and we had to leave. Went through the remainder of my childhood disliking Star Wars and anything like that - Dr Who, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, anything vaguely sci fi or fantasy. Enjoyed by weirdos who were crap at football, skating, fighting or anything else useful IME.
As a young adult this very topic came up with a group of my friends, one of whom was aghast at the fact I'd never seen Star Wars and immediately foisted the three videos on me. Despite my misgivings I sat down to watch them (ah how I miss those days pre-kids, pre-work where such free time was available) so I could report back. Thought Star Wars was a bit pish but I can see the appeal for children, thought Empire was ace and Return of the Jedi complete mince. Had I been a fan when Return of the Jedi came out I'd have been miffed.
Then my son was born and upon reaching pre-school age out of nowhere became fascinated with Star Wars so I bought the video second hand off here. Together we wore the tape out, to the point I am now pretty familiar with the whole thing. Still think its rubbish mind, but can see why he loves it and I like the fact I now get a whole load more of the jokes in some of my favourite comedy shows and films.
Best thing about it all though was seeing the brilliant Family Guy take off and getting the 'well there is one small hole, about the size of a womp rat' line.
So on the whole, a stupid but harmless load of crap for children. Adults who obsess over it used to be an object of scorn for me, but now I realise its simply nostalgia.
Princess Leia was never that attractive IMO.
Princess Leia was never that attractive IMO.
No, of course not ...
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Princess Leia was never that attractive IMO.
Get out, now.
Didn't George Lucas tell Carrie Fisher 'they don't have bras in space'? Dirty man.
Prefer the Anakin ones
That's wrong that is.
Has anyone read the book 'Can Horses Breathe in Space?' by J.J. Binks?
It's a sign of the impact Star Wars has had on popular culture that people are prepared to proudly state they've never seen it - probably the same sort of tedious bores that insist on telling you they don't own a TV...
This whole thread is about a week too late.
May the fourth be with you.
I'll get my coat.
+1 for me I have to admit. Only short clips.
Princess Leia was never that attractive IMO.
Get out, now.
I agree with Winegums. Get out.
So on the whole, a stupid but harmless load of crap for children.
You are so wrong. I won't even begin to explain hpw wrong you are.
Just get out. Blasphemer...
looking for inspiration with regards to building a bed and found this......
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so, own up.... which one of you is it?
Look at the size of that thing!