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roger melrose
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Is that the same British Heart Foundation that is heavily funded by the Gates Foundation and also from the vaccine manufacturers?
Bingo!
Guys - its pointless trying to debate conspirator theories and nonsense from someone with no expertise by using facts and expertise. You won't change his mind
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
something I should have written on my keyboard 🙂
Was waiting for a reference to gates or pharma companies.
Congrats you will the dickhead award of the day. Debate the evidence by all means, but once conspiracy theories and shite like that come out, you lose!
Then what is causing all the excess deaths we are currently seeing across the West?
Covid, you ****ing quarter-wit.
Well, that and the increasing prevalence of 5G.
No one has ended their post with FACT yet - so 'yer all talking bollocks.
Don't forget to end with FACT or it's not official! Thems the rules! 🙂
Her situation does not make it comparable to the Holocaust.
One misplaced and unwise comment should not be used to dismiss the actual scientific data he is trying to get across.
The risks of associated with the vaccine, any vaccine, have not been ignored by the government and the media.
Yes they have in relation to these vaccines, totally and almost entirely. This was the whole point of the parliamentary speech I linked to. Same with the idiot above posting stupid memes instead of engaging in reasoned debate.
Bingo - "DR" John campbell who actually is a long retired nurse with an out of date PHD and who has monetarised conspiracy theories and is totally discredited
I tried to watch one of his vids about the covid vaccine. He made basic errors in the first few sentences because his knowledge was 30 years out of date
Covid, you **** quarter-wit.
You sound rather angry. Why?
Oh and you might want to check your claim, as most excess deaths we have been seeing over the last 9 months are not Covid related.
Are we at the 'Posting John Campbell Links' stage of the process already? I don't know if it's my age, but recently the days seem to just fly by.
The vaccine injury risks have not been ignored or hidden, they have just been accepted by the regulators as acceptable against the risk of not having the vaccine.
Can i ask if you get cancer would you take the chemo treatment?
Bingo – “DR” John campbell who actually is a long retired nurse with an out of date PHD and who has monetarised conspiracy theories and is totally discredited
I tried to watch one of his vids about the covid vaccine. He made basic errors in the first few sentences because his knowledge was 30 years out of date
Ignoring the man himself, which bit of the data he presents in the video I linked to above do you disagree with TJ, and why?
Same with the idiot above posting stupid memes instead of engaging in reasoned debate.
Thanks!👍
You call what you are posting, "debate"?
Don't know this forum well do you?
Is that the same British Heart Foundation that is heavily funded by the Gates Foundation and also from the vaccine manufacturers?
Is it? Could you point that funding out in their annual report then?
The potential non covid excess deaths (whatever proportion they are) are more likely to be a result of public health impacts than any supposed vaccine issues. All actions will have an impact, was lockdown the right call? Probably but it will have an impact, the likelihood is that the tail of impact is smaller than if we allowed huge numbers to die outside of hospitals by allowing the virus to run riot as you and your fellow acolytes seem to feel should have happened
The vaccine injury risks have not been ignored or hidden, they have just been accepted by the regulators as acceptable against the risk of not having the vaccine.
That's interesting considering it is known know that a serious adverse event requiring hospitalisation occurs from the vaccine in at least 1 in 800 doses (that's doses, not people).
What was your risk of hospitalisation from Covid again if you were say, age 30 ish?
Can i ask if you get cancer would you take the chemo treatment?
Very different disease and a fairly proven long established treatment with know side effects.
I've seen that and the Norway paper before - John Campbell himself says that the paper says there is a correlation. That's not the same as a causation.
Maybe some of the excess deaths ARE due to covid responses; I have posted several times on the impact of lockdown on mental health for example. There were impacts on incomes, leading to poverty, and poverty correlates to lower life expectancy. Maybe the fact that endemic diseases with potential to kill (flu for example) didn't circulate and consequently we got higher EM after lockdown.
My view is not a wide scientific review, to say again it's my opinion based on what I have understood from what I have read (pros and cons) and many discussions with people truly expert in the field through to laypeople and sceptics. From which I have a belief, which I summarise as:
Lockdown was necessary at the time but was overdone and has longer term implications we have potentially still to see the full extent of
Vaccines massively reduced the effect of covid overall, and the program to vaccinate all for the good of those that needed it most was the right call
There are some adverse effects from vaccines but population benefits outweigh the risks. You might think of it as taking one for the team but that is how society works, IMHO
One misplaced and unwise comment should not be used to dismiss the actual scientific data he is trying to get across
Unless he's made a few others, and told some serious porkies. In which case, he can jog on in terms of being a reliable source of truth. And in a remarkable turn of events, he has indeed got a prior history of just that.
the likelihood is that the tail of impact is smaller than if we allowed huge numbers to die outside of hospitals by allowing the virus to run riot as you and your fellow acolytes seem to feel should have happened
Sweden would disagree with you.
So Roger - on this thread we have real experts like TiRed and folk like me with a bit of education in healthcare and epidemiology ( retired nurse some basic training in epidemiology and risk assessment in healthcare) I have at lest as much expertise as "Dr" John Campbell and certainly enough to spot basic errors that he makes
Now whats your qualification and education that means you are able to refute folk with real knowledge and expertise some of whom ( not me) are accepted experts?
You need a little knowledge to be able to critically analyse research. so come on - whats your expertise in healthcare, epidemiology and medical research? You must have some surely?
Sweden would disagree with you.
And other comparable Nordic countries think Sweden is an idiot.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1403494820980264
That’s interesting considering it is known know that a serious adverse event requiring hospitalisation occurs from the vaccine in at least 1 in 800 doses (that’s doses, not people).
Reference please
And other comparable Nordic countries think Sweden is an idiot.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1403494820980264/blockquote >
Excess death levels for all causes over the last 3 years would mostly disagree with you.
That’s interesting considering it is known know that a serious adverse event requiring hospitalisation occurs from the vaccine in at least 1 in 800 doses (that’s doses, not people).
Can you link to the direct data for that? That's the actual data, not someone's interpretation of it.
Lockdown and thus its adverse effects ( which are real - I know of one death directly attributable to it) went on far longer than it could have been simply because the measures we introduced were too late. so instead of a short sharp lockdown we had a long drawn out one - because it was introduced weeks too late
Who was at fault for that? Johnson and his cronies. Experts were screaming for borders to be closed and transmission precautions put in place for weeks before they were
That’s interesting considering it is known know that a serious adverse event requiring hospitalisation occurs from the vaccine in at least 1 in 800 doses (that’s doses, not people).
Can you cite that data because it is so far away from the Nature paper I linked, I'd like to read it.
1 in 800 doses required hospitalisation. Do I understand right, because I like most people on the vax program have now had 4 doses. If that's the case 1 in 200 of us needs/ed hospitalisation. 0.5%
There's 70M people in the UK, say 80% have been vaccinated, = 56M. 0.5% of that is 2.8M.
I think I'd have read if 2.8M people in the UK needed hospitalisation because of vaccination?
Sweden would disagree with you.
Full house! Woop!
Vaccines massively reduced the effect of covid overall, and the program to vaccinate all for the good of those that needed it most was the right call.
No mention in naturally acquired immunity helping with this at all?
There are some adverse effects from vaccines but population benefits outweigh the risks. You might think of it as taking one for the team but that is how society works, IMHO
How does this data stack up for younger people considering that the Actual Risk Reduction from the vaccines is less than 1%, and it is now known that a serious adverse event requiring hospitalisation occurs from the vaccine in at least 1 in 800 doses (that’s doses, not people).
What was your risk of hospitalisation from Covid again if you were say, age 30 ish?
Please give a reference and evidence for your 1 in 800 claim, otherwise f off
Not engaging again until you cite your data, rather than just repeat the claim.
Well this has brought new life to a dying thread.
I had covid for the second time exactly three weeks ago, like the first time it was remarkably mild.
What surprised me most was that it peaked the first day, the second day was significantly better, as was the third day. By the fourth day there were no longer any symptoms or high temperature.
It puzzled me that it should have peaked the first day, with a cold I would expect it to build up slowly over perhaps several days before slowly improving.
The only reason I think of that I was significantly better on the second day of Covid was because of a very quick immune response. Since Covid is relatively new to my immune system I suspect that this rapid immune response was greatly helped by being fully vaccinated.
Can you cite that data because it is so far away from the Nature paper I linked, I’d like to read it.
1 in 800 doses required hospitalisation. Do I understand right, because I like most people on the vax program have now had 4 doses. If that’s the case 1 in 200 of us needs/ed hospitalisation. 0.5%
There’s 70M people in the UK, say 80% have been vaccinated, = 56M. 0.5% of that is 2.8M.
I think I’d have read if 2.8M people in the UK needed hospitalisation because of vaccination?
Funnily enough, it's only a vaccine harm if you know to actually look for this. Otherwise it's a coincidence right? My friend had nerve damage from her vaccine. Her doctor still won't acknowledge what caused her ongoing nerve problems.
The German life insurance industry has reported a massive uptick in claims from the vaccinated. Germany's health minister has recently changed his opinion on vaccine injuries:
@roger melrose
In fairness, I do know there is a link between the vaccine and the risk of priapisms in men.
I, for instance, went to have my injection at the clinic near me and tripped at the entrance, dropped my penis on the floor and smashed the bloody thing to pieces.
I'm now waiting for a penile implant.
All due to the bloody vaccine and Bill Gates.😠
https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1592/columnists
As for vaccine- related deaths, ONS data show just 52 deaths in England and Wales where Covid-19 vaccines were the underlying cause between March 2020 and December 2022. More than 150m vaccine doses were administered in that time.
This doesn't mean ONS data is perfect or vaccine-related deaths haven't been missed, but we'd need to be missing a lot of them for vaccines to be causing significant excess deaths. Or maybe they're not.
Any update on your claims about the BHFs funding sources?
So, should we 'do our own research' when it comes to your 1 in 800 claim? <pen hovers over bingo card>
So Roger – on this thread we have real experts like TiRed and folk like me with a bit of education in healthcare and epidemiology ( retired nurse some basic training in epidemiology and risk assessment in healthcare) I have at lest as much expertise as “Dr” John Campbell and certainly enough to spot basic errors that he makes
Now whats your qualification and education that means you are able to refute folk with real knowledge and expertise some of whom ( not me) are accepted experts?
You need a little knowledge to be able to critically analyse research. so come on – whats your expertise in healthcare, epidemiology and medical research? You must have some surely?
Edit - I am assuming you have also some training in understanding medical research papers to allow yo to work out which ones have reliable methodology?
so come on - please inform us of your knowledge base that allows you to refute the scientific consensus on this topic
Funnily enough, it’s only a vaccine harm if you know to actually look for this.
So am I interpreting right. 1 in 200 people have been hospitalised because of vaccination, but we won't actually find any data to support that because these are hospitalisations that are being reported due to other causes but are really due to the vaccine? Is that what you comment insinuates?
Allow me then to clarify further. If this is due to vaccination, then the 2.8M est. hospitalisations would be in excess of the normal population. Because it's the vaccine that causes it, right?
There are around 141,000 hospital beds in the UK (20/21 data) and routinely the NHS is at or close to capacity.
Where are all these 2.8M extra people being hospitalised?
Well as this thread is back. I've just tested positive for COVID for the first time today. Symptoms since Tuesday - feel absolutely shite, particularly a ridiculously sore throat. Quadruple vaxxed. That'll teach me to go on holidaym
Please give a reference and evidence for your 1 in 800 claim, otherwise f off
This any good to you?
Dorect from the German Health Minister
Well as this thread is back. I’ve just tested positive for COVID for the first time today.
Apparently there's a new spike in Covid cases going on.
Well as this thread is back. I’ve just tested positive for COVID for the first time today. Symptoms since Tuesday – feel absolutely shite, particularly a ridiculously sore throat. Quadruple vaxxed. That’ll teach me to go on holidaym
Why the hell are you still testing?
Whilst we're on anecdotes though, myself and my partner have never been vaccinated. We have had Covid once each, was little worse than a moderate cold. Not had it again since so far as we know. That said, we know loads of vaccinated folk who keep on getting it time after time. Perhaps they are testing more?
Where are all these 2.8M extra people being hospitalised?
They're being hidden in secret underground hospitals. Durrr!
My understanding of the 1 in 800 figure is that it is Adverse Events of Special Interest from the trials. Note this can include non-serious. This has morphed into hospitalisations, often quoted by Bridgen etc.
Adverse Event of Special Interest (AESI) means: serious or non-serious adverse that is one of scientific and medical concern specific to the sponsor's product for which ongoing monitoring and rapid communication by the investigator to the sponsor can be appropriate.
No comment on what the German Health minister said theotherjonv?
roger melrose
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Please give a reference and evidence for your 1 in 800 claim, otherwise f offThis any good to you?
Dorect from the German Health Minister
I never heard of UnHerd, so I Googled them. They introduce themselves as “Challenging the herd with new and bold thinking in philosophy, politics and culture.” My first reaction was … what about facts? I gamely decided to brouse around and see what they had to offer. I was not wrong. The site is filled with “essays,” “opinion pieces,” and “Analysis.” They are far more concerned with thoughts, culture, feelings, and perspective. Facts, or at least the ones that do not support their postulates, take second fiddle.
Bingo! But instead of sheeple, we have "the herd!"
Huzzah!