24 hour stores closing from midnight until 6am.
Can't remember if I've posted this here before or not, but a staff member in ASDA was telling me about this yesterday. She said they're doing it out of concerns for safety, they've had customers climbing up on top of pallets and throwing trolleys at the staff.
my folks live in france.... its just sinking in that they are now on their own.
coupled with a 135 euro fine if on the street without a good reason.
More General Melchet than Winston Churchill.
I was thinking Mainwaring.
Trying to stay to the rabbit hole as it felt a bit ground hog day. Been shifted to WFH which puts the WTF risk on an exponential growth curve. Although I have seen and spoken to an actual person today. 70 year old neighbour who then phone to see if I needed shopping sorting. Not sure I've got the hang of this isolate the vulnerable bit. In my defence they were going anyway, they phoned me, I was at a safe distance... yeah, it's just going to turn into an Oh my god - You Killed Kenny situation.
Just got work out how to coral me own folks when I cant risk visiting them!
Laura Kuenssberg says (BBC) that, “The science has changed.” This is not true.
I think one thing we learned from the recent Vote Leave In The General Election shitshow was that Laura Kuenssberg does not fact check stories.
Which right now makes her de facto Tory mouthpiece.
As far as I know, they’re being told to come in even with symptoms. This sounds insane to me.
That’s because you made that up.
Classic case of the end result of Boris’s refusal to take a proper decision, one of my less than dedicated work colleagues is currently sat in a Manchester pub, taking advantage of the generous new found flexibility he’s been awarded by our company. He says he’s carrying on as normal until it’s all shut down properly because ‘nothing is closed by law yet’. Would it be out of order to grass him up to the bosses?
You can’t blame Boris for your friends stupidity.
I think one thing we learned from the recent Vote Leave In The General Election shitshow was that Laura Kuenssberg does not fact check stories.
If there's one thing I've learned from this and Brexit, is that you shouldn't just question whether Tories and Brexiteers are wrong, you should assume it.
Which [s]right now[/s] makes her de facto Tory mouthpiece.
FTFY
I was being generous and assuming that some stories might have been seeded by other political parties.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this and Brexit, is that you shouldn’t just question whether Tories and Brexiteers are wrong, you should assume it.
As long as this thread does not continue for the length of time like the Brexit thread I am fine. If we are still talking about this virus in a year time we are all doomed.
Yay the daily mash and newsthump articles have been cracked open. We're saved...
I've just spoken to someone who works in air traffic control at Edinburgh airport.
Most UK airports are planning to close on Friday for 12 weeks. This is both commercial and political direction.
There will be a few flights, but restricted to a handful of UK airports for international travel and a few for oil rigs etc...
Britain...the Texas of Europe.
Bit harsh on Texas to be honest, we're more backward than that. We'e more like West Virginia or Alabama.
The spokeswoman from the CBI has just been saying how they need big, bold action from the government today to shore up the economy and try and prevent companies going down like dominoes
I suspect she, and the rest of us, are about to be very, very disappointed
Followed shortly afterwards by being very, very ****ing angry
So odds on London being locked down?
You can’t blame Boris for your friends stupidity.
Advice and instruction are different things. The French government have learnt this already… let’s not wait to learn the same lessons the hard way… the government needs to shut down meeting places, and pay the staff, and tell people not to gather, enforced by fines if need be.
My, arguably unreasonable, reaction might be informed by knowing that I have 50+ cans of beer in the house, and my fiends know how to use FaceTime etc.
My school only open to year 7,11 and sixth form tomorrow.
the government needs to shut down meeting places, and pay the staff, and tell people not to gather, enforced by fines if need be.
People also need to take responsibility for themselves and others.
Is anyone else listenong to this Johnson horseshit?
People also need to take responsibility for themselves and others.
Many people are still using pubs to try and keep their local from going out of business and their friends losing their jobs and having no incomes.
Wasn't Rishi Sunak meant to be doing today's daily briefing?
I was curious to see how people other than Boris were going to come across.
OK - just got to the bit where he's on.
Boris +2 every day, was the briefing.
Boris +2 every day, was the briefing.
Thanks
Hadn't got that, at least I maintain the great forum tradition of asking a the question before it should be asked.
My Mum has just been told she needs to self isolate by work, as she's in a high risk group (incurable, but very slow burning cancer). She works part time as a receptionist (and does admin, which they've convienently forgotten) so working from home isn't possible, so they won't be paying her. Nice.
If they're mandated to close the office then they have to pay her, but they aren't so they won't.
People also need to take responsibility for themselves and others.
Of course, but almost every single law we have (and there are a lot) is because there are a number of people that can't or don't. Its also the reason we have government, such as it is at the moment.
Loans.
With interest payments deferred.....
Wow.
Never miss an opportunity to screw the workers.
Cash grants and tax (business rates) cancellations as well though. Good stuff.
That is good news....
someone saw this coming.
Paper published in 2007: "The presence of a large reservoir
of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with
the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb".
https://twitter.com/PstroblM/status/1239893878423072768
3 month mortgage holiday for those effected.
(Nothing for renters - they’ll be pushed hard on that over the next 24 hours - I expect that to come next if the pressure is applied properly.)
Nothing to do with the announcements today but..
Would people think it a good idea if contactless limits were temporarily raised to avoid folks having to use pin machines, which have always struck me as hygienic at best of times?
I only ask as I work for a bank and if it's something folks think makes sense I'll raise it with the bosses.
Doubling it would have no effect on security short term, and cover buying fuel and weekly fresh food for most people.
Would it be generalising to say:
We went our own way on virus control compared to the rest of the world. Then we had to back pedal furiously as it became apparent there was going to be massive collateral damage.
We are now going our own way on supporting and protecting people and organisations.
To be continued...
don’t see the issue with doubling the limit, for bigger purchases... with apps these days you could always have some two stage verification so people only touch their personal phone as well.
Many people are still using pubs to try and keep their local from going out of business and their friends losing their jobs and having no incomes.
Then there’s that too. No real easy answer at all just.
with apps these days you could always have some two stage verification so people only touch their personal phone as well.
Most retailers have no limit for Apple Pay.
Most retailers have no limit for Apple Pay.
Most shoppers don't have Apple phones.
tpbiker - sounds like a very good idea and would be relatively simple/easy to implement. I'd go so far as to suggest that any temporary increase would end up being permanent anyway.
3 month mortgage holiday for those effected.
Quantified by "those who find themselves in difficulties"
No clarification on what those difficulties are defined as. As soon as you are unemployed? Once you are 6 months in arrears? When you are on the brink of repossession? Before then?
On the face of it a reassuring statement but worded with such a wooly caveat that it essentially means nothing 🙄
Most shoppers don’t have Apple phones.
🤦🏻♂️ I know.
On the face of it a reassuring statement but worded with such a wooly caveat that it essentially means nothing
Details will be developed/uncovered day by day. Except that. Welcome any travel in the right direction, but push to keep them moving.
No clarification on what those difficulties are defined as. As soon as you are unemployed? Once you are 6 months in arrears? When you are on the brink of repossession? Before then?
I’m sure the details will come out. It was a speech about the plans not a power point presentation on how it will work.
Many people are still using pubs to try and keep their local from going out of business and their friends losing their jobs and having no incomes.
Waves.
2 coffee shops and a pub visited today. All very quiet, all staffed or owned by friends of mine and all need all the support we can get.
I’m going for lunch at my favourite restaurant on Friday, partly as I want to support the wonderful folk who own it, partly as the food is incredible, and partly as I’m not sure they’ll still be open by the end of the month.
Oh and my local pub are doing takeouts so they’ll get a visit later too.
But I’m fit, heathy and have no interaction with at risk groups. So right now, I want to help my fiends.
Nothing on wages (and self employment earnings), or household income generally, yet. Once they have moved on that (their politics will be to avoid it if at all possible)… then they’ll be catching up with the RoW. It’ll come… but they’ll have to be pushed…
And the rent thing… they are a party of landlords… that one will only come after they are pushed into it.