Even aside from the leaving the house part (which I do kind of get, because it’s hard to feel like it’s worth imprisoning yourself if you’re very sure that you’re not putting anyone at risk),
how times have changed - at the first knockings of this pandemic this sort of behaviour had folks up in arms. What if you twist your ankle and need to go to A&E? What if everyone does this, it'll be carnage?
I'm not disagreeing BTW, just the same as I agreed that driving the dog 3 miles to be able to walk in a deserted open space vs walking from home to a crowded park also made sense. Is this an indication that we are getting close to 'normality' no matter what the Gov say.
I’ve been reporting all my LFTs for several months now. Because it seemed like the right thing to do – we can’t really complain that the government is ignoring the data if we deliberately withhold the data. I know I’m in a minority, but it takes maybe 30 seconds and isn’t at all painful.
Very much this.
Is this an indication that we are getting close to ‘normality’ no matter what the Gov say.
Knowledge, vaccinations (and treatments*) have absolutely transformed where we are, even since last January, never mind the Spring before.
*Radio4 PM covered this well (while keeping it simple) this evening… well I think they did… would be interested to hear what @tired thinks of their little report.
Cynic in me feels this is the start of getting rid of PCR testing completely. It must cost a fortune manning the stations / labs for testing etc.
Return to normality. Less serious strains. Less sensitive but reliable flow tests? Save some taxpayers dolla?
Return to normality. Less serious strains.
That feels the way the government is expecting it to go. It's the way the experts have always said it is likely to go. I just think the government are maybe 2-3 months further along the timeline than the virus.
Pretty damning report and modelling from University of Warwick yesterday reported by the BBC, confirming that the time to react to increasing rates and numbers was actually a couple of weeks ago, and there's nothing we can realistically do - other than a full lockdown which nobody is wanting or suggesting - that can slow the spread at this stage.
That feels the way the government is expecting it to go. It’s the way the experts have always said it is likely to go. I just think the government are maybe 2-3 months further along the timeline than the virus.
I think they feel Omicron gets us out of Flu season with herd immunity in the Spring/Summer removing a need for 4th Vaccination, leaving the new multi strain vaccine to be delivered asap/September this year. Removes all the costs of PCR's and vaccines for 6 months or more.
The seem to be betting on two things…
- no third variant this winter while we deal with Omicron and Delta
- that hospitalisation rates for Omicron will be broadly similar as it passes through older people and parts of the country with generally poorer health outcomes than the South East
Not bets I’d take.
hospitalisation rates for Omicron will be broadly similar
80% fewer is being widely reported, it seems a fair bet despite higher infection rates. on the other hand the hospitalisation rate of kids is rising. Chris Turnbull on Twitter is being used as a source here in the French media, over 500 child admissions in the UK IIRC
The main vibe I'm getting is that the government is giving up on proper testing as it can't do it and "it's too difficult".
That combined with "omicron is just a cold for most" is what I believe many of the populstion will think too.
Obviously case numbers will go "down" which will add to the feeling the public have that the pandemic is simply over,or very near to being over.
In summary the government is going full Plan Z: Ignorance Is Bliss.
The only reality check will be the ONS and what is happening in the hospitals... which many of the Thursday Clappers couldnt give a fig about now as long as they can go to the pub.
Just hope there isn't a nasty variant over the horizon.
(Sorry, in rather a foul mood today.)
That combined with “omicron is not just a cold for most”
I think you've got a 'not' in there that you don't mean?
Still time to edit if you want.
Yeah, sorry, typed in a hurry and a huff.lol
(Edited the post)
I don’t know anyone reporting negatives, and that includes a fair number of people who work for the NHS.
I have reported every LFT I have taken and they have all been negative. As already stated, the data is used for decision making, so having relatively accurate data is important. Ultimately, the ONS study is the Gold Standard. Hmmm... 15%...
+1. I report every negative, daily at the moment.
Not bets I’d take.
The costs aren't going to be borne by the government if they lose the bets.
Djokovic’s antivax profile has had actual consequences for him. I’m surprised to be honest.
https://twitter.com/chrismasonbbc/status/1478842039714340864?s=21
Is there no end to the misery caused by covid?
Djokovic’s antivax profile has had actual consequences for him. I’m surprised to be honest.
I was amazed the Aussies gave him an exemption tbh, but well, karma.
karma
He deserves it.
New South Wales have also said that there is no need to PCR unless displaying symptons, etc. Sorry if thats a bit low on info but it sounds like they are following suit.
My sister in law is flying home from here via a ski trip in Whistler. She is isolating (asymptomatic) at the moment with covid, so this will trump the PCR test for Canada but to get back into OZ she needs a certificate from a GP to prove she has had covid and is ok now.
We aren't sure where she can get this from. The only obvious thing I can find online is the Mayfield Clinic at £195, anybody got a better idea?
I'm not surprised djokovic has been shown the door.
He's behaved like a dick, refused to declare his vaccine status and arrived with incorrect visa docs.
His cause hasn't been helped by scott morrison looking to play the hard man.
Tough shit; go home.
I was amazed the Aussies gave him an exemption tbh, but well, karma.
I think the point was they didn't in the first place. He claimed to have an exemption (I guess we may find out in time what that actually was in time but I doubt it - maybe he found a doctor who signed him off that his mental health would be damaged if 'forced' to be vaccinated or a special uber fit person issue like the cyclists who 'need' Asthma drugs - but in reverse.) and then his team applied for a normal visa for him rather than a vaccine exemption one.
What an arrogant knob cheese. Now if a few personal sponsors could find their way to parting ways with him to hit him where it really hurts.....
He's an arse of a man.
I was amazed the Aussies gave him an exemption tbh, but well, karma.
I'm no fan of Djokovic, but what have the Aussies done with the other players given an exemption? Iirc he wasn't the only one, just the most high profile.
Djokovic haha. That's made my year!
Well done Australia.👍
I’m no fan of Djokovic, but what have the Ausdies done with the other players given an exemption? Iirc he wasn’t the only one, just the most high profile.
The bloke on the radio this morning speaking for the administrators said they had tens of applications from players and hangers on but only granted a 'handful'. That maybe the hand of a train yard operative who had a bit of a shunting accident and only has the one digit left....that single digit seems to now have been raised in salute.
Is he on the plane home yet, or still languishing in the airport while the security staff search his luggage for live eels and cottage cheese?
He is in a room at the airport being guarded by security apparently.
His lawyers are going to appeal.
As an avid viewer of Border Security Australia, I do wonder if they've looked at his phone and found texts suggesting he planned some extra, unauthorised work at nail bars in the Sydney area?
It's worth remembering that Australia has had some harsh lockdowns and also that they are just on the cusp of their very first wave.
Not a good time to be an antivax dick entering the country.
Of all the border agencies to get the wrong side of, he picked the wrong one!!
They make the TSA look friendly & flexible.
From what I can gather - he claimed on Insta he had clearance from the event organisers to attend the tournament - exempted from the requirement to be vaccinated for Covid on medical grounds.
State authorities seemed to be willing to allow him to enter Victoria.
He got in the airplane and made it to Melbourne.
Federal authorities who control border entry to Australia at the airport are detaining him as he does not have a valid visa to enter Australia.
What a dick. They should have put him back on the next return flight, I understand that is what happens to ordinary people who have their visa revoked on landing, or don't even have a valid entry visa in the first place?
^ that's my reading of it too.
Tennis organiser said ok to play and local state said it was ok to enter their state.
Federal border rightly asked for an Australian visa. Which he didn't have.
Tough day today, and not sure if I'm feeling inappropriately entitled or isolation has go to me a bit but...
Not only has my 7 day test proven positive, its my son's 13th birthday today so I can't join the celebrations or give him a hug, and neither can his sister. And because I'm looking after her to maintain the infected / uninfected barrier in the house I'm still concerned about re-infection, particularly as my T line was very strong today, and my headache has returned.
At the same time remembering others have it far worse and this wont be forever....
I'm not aware of anyone who's had the negative test at day 7, but hang on in there, only a few more days to get through
🙁
Pressure is building on Anti vaccers it seems. This Australia news, Italy now debating mandated vaccines for over 50s…
Can’t see uk ever going that far but how are people dealing with people they know who are refuseniks? I wouldn’t go as far as saying they’re close friends but when people I know come bounding up to us at our front door or table at the pub, I find it v hard to be pleased to see them. Interesting social dynamics for the future!
I’m not aware of anyone who’s had the negative test at day 7
I wonder what percentage do. I didn't, despite all my mild symptoms ceasing on day 5 and assuming it would be almost certain.
Me neither, none of the 3 classic symptoms just mild cold like, I didn't test negative until day 8 and 9.
I’m not aware of anyone who’s had the negative test at day 7
My niece (age 15) did - they were testing her every day, and she was negative by day 6.
What shocked me most was how quickly my sense of smell and taste returned. Lost it completely days 3-4 but it dramatically returned days 8-11, despite still testing positive.
What shocked me most was how quickly my sense of smell and taste returned. Lost it completely days 3-4 but it dramatically returned days 8-11, despite still testing positive.
The timescale was the same for me, except I didn't lose mine completely, I had kind of a half sense of taste & smell.
I had kind of a half sense of taste & smell.
My loss of sense of smell was total, with taste I could only taste bitter, sweet, or salty. So a cup of coffee without sugar just tasted like a bitter warm drink, I couldn't taste the coffee. On the evening of the 8th day I managed to very faintly detect the smell of Vicks vapour rub and three days later sense of smell had pretty much returned. Although I was still testing positive.
My daughter lost her sense of smell, but not taste. Sadly we'd got her a perfume advent calendar, not chocolate 😕
Luckily I don't know any obvious anti-vaxxers, but I suspect once I'd called them idiots a few times, social interaction would be minimal anyway.
The only time I've been happy to smell one of our dog's farts was as a herald of the return of my sense of taste and smell after COVID 🙂
