I wouldn’t call 160,000 cases today as “peaked” 😣
Back to work in the vacc centre over the NY weekend to try & get this sh1&fest under control.
How has it peaked?
As in slowing down. I thought it had peaked in the UK a few days ago. Certainly I get the impression that locally/London isn't as bad now as it was just before Christmas. I'm no longer hearing of countless new cases everyday of people that I know having covid like I was in the run-up to Christmas.
Obviously the rest of the country might be lagging behind London as London got hit very hard early.
Hard to work out when peak infections will be, Xmas messes with things, people put off testing & they're well be a lag in results getting back / posted , schools and many workplaces closed so some transmission stopped,
But even if infection peak is now, hospitalisations peak will be early January
Scottish and Welsh first ministers have been openly saying that second week of January is the peak
I took it to mean infections
I’m no longer hearing of countless new cases everyday of people that I know having covid like I was in the run-up to Christmas.
It was mental a few weeks ago! Everyone in work seemed to have it, including me.
But many colleagues I know left London early
my wife's brother was going to stay with his sister in law in London for Xmas but they tested positive on 23rd, my wife's other brother (in Portsmouth) tested positive Xmas eve (so our Xmas plans were ruined)
And my brothers wife's family all testing positive in the last few days (in the shires) with my brother now feeling ill (& struggling to book a test) so nye plans now looking doubtful!
From my anecdotal experience, I'm not sure we've peaked & NYE (in England for sure) will surely be omicrons biggest blow out yet
The best hope is that we'll have boosted enough b4 xmas to keep it from really hitting nhs
The best hope is that we’ll have boosted enough b4 xmas to keep it from really hitting nhs
Fingers crossed doesn't really cover it, does it?
Hasn't TiRed spoken of week 2 being the peak for deaths most years due to Christmas mixing, so assumed will be around then again?
But surely what we are experiencing now doesn't simply represent normal seasonal equilibrium? The recent tsunami of cases is due not so much to a change in seasons but the sudden appearance 4 weeks ago of a new and very different variant.
TiRed's point was more to do with the peak deaths resulting from respiratory illness coming from the gatherings over Christmas. I think he just meant that Covid would take a similar path I guess? I can't remember the subtleties unfortunately.
I don't think we can make any firm predictions about the position (or size) of the peak, and the infection data we're currently getting will be modified by availability of testing, and the willingness of the public to be tested over the Christmas break.
The SA data suggests a short sharp peak, so that's possible, particularly as we haven't exactly put a lot of mitigation in place to reduce/spread it out.
2nd week of Jan is not a bad punt, though.
The issue now is staff shortages, and whether Christmas causes a surge in hospitalisations in older people because of family mixing.
Seems the right-wing anti-vaxxers aren’t even smart enough to tell the difference between a vaccine centre and a test centre. There was an ex-UKIP bloke there, someone from Britain First, and Piers Corbyn.
At least they don’t carry weapons.
ex-UKIP bloke there, someone from Britain First, and Piers Corbyn.
Covid (denial) has made some bloody weird alliances form.
In truth, it's not just a right wing thing, it's also a left wing thing.
That said, in government it's the right wing that's definitely the issue, undeniably so!
Just looked at the vids of that protest vid they link to on the Guardian.
Absolute ****wits.
Unless we want this (the pandemic) to continue for "ever" I am really starting to think we need to make vaccination mandatory. These arses will likely ensure the majority of the public are fine with it too. The irony.
In truth, it’s not just a right wing thing, it’s also a left wing thing.
Have you got any links to left-wing covid deniers? I am genuinely interested in knowing who these people are, or more importantly what organisations are behind them.
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Even with less deaths omicron is going to get the nhs
https://twitter.com/NickTriggle/status/1476245777236340737?t=Uz282vQnkoUPrjZ1o1Fjmw&s=19
I've just checked now and got this
Are we distinguishing between "in hospital with COVID" and "hospitalized because of COVID"?
The good news though is a shorter stay in hospital and less reliance on oxygen
The good news though is a shorter stay in hospital and less reliance on oxygen
All very hopeful. But again, when looking at hospitalisations of people infected earlier in the month, I’d like to see the age break down.
Are we distinguishing between “in hospital with COVID” and “hospitalized because of COVID”?
Nicola Sturgeon raised exactly this point in her latest statement. Additional analysis of the figures will be carried out to help differentiate between those hospitalised due to Covid and those tested positive who were admitted for other reasons.
Piers Corbyn ticking all the boxes
They stormed MK theatre and disrupted the children watching Jack & the beanstalk!
https://twitter.com/marclister3k/status/1476201284948668422?t=8U_0b0yloLLidjmNjmIevA&s=19
Additional analysis of the figures will be carried out to help differentiate between those hospitalised due to Covid and those tested positive who were admitted for other reasons.
While the differentiation is important… if you’re dealing with something else that has led to hospital treatment, you really don’t want to be dealing with Covid at the same time.
Has the data just come in?...
Great idea to wait for the inevitable as it's worked so well in the past.
Covid: Nightingale surge hubs to be set up in eight hospitals, NHS England says
Not the same as the original hospitals but you get the gist.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59823652
Patients in hospital for covid rather than for covid make up about 1/4 of patients, but the for covid group were rising atba faster rate-this is from London a week ago
https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1473994916032389124?t=xBOWkz5v_rgBNrcCS3mDeQ&s=19
While the differentiation is important… if you’re dealing with something else that has led to hospital treatment, you really don’t want to be dealing with Covid at the same time.
Agreed. But if people are looking at those numbers to try to understand the relative severity of omicron (as I think we all are) - the distinction is critical. Not trying to be a pedant, just noticed the different phrase "in hospital with covid" vs "hospitalizations"
I’ve just checked now and got this
@kimbers mine was at ten to one this aft. Just checked randomly after reading on here that there were none available 🤷
But if people are looking at those numbers to try to understand the relative severity of omicron (as I think we all are) – the distinction is critical.
It is. But separating comorbidities isn’t trivial, and can’t be done in real time. Waiting for perfect data before doing anything meaningful to slow this wave [ in England ], in the hope that it is far less dangerous, even when it hits the older generations, is reckless (yet surprisingly very widely endorsed here).
My brother was online all day yesterday to get one for today
Anyway
Piers Corbyn and his antivax loons are dicks
https://twitter.com/petefirman/status/1476246628399038465?t=UBq6j6vJfQ46NghLXLdTxQ&s=19
Separating comorbidities isn’t trivial
In some cases it's not, and in some cases it is.... to your point, we are not looking for perfection, but we should (and do) have data showing whether covid was a factor in a patients hospitalization. Some may be up for debate, but most won't be.
My point was that we have accidentally started to refer to the wrong data set.
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Even with less deaths omicron is going to get the nhs
Yep, the rise in admissions and some additional serious illness will put some strain on the NHS (at an already busy time of year). Staff absence caused by Omicron is perhaps a bigger factor. I'm told all trusts have drawn up 'battle plans' for this. The trust my sister works for are working on the assumption that there will be 35% absence within two weeks. It's this combination - increased strain on the service while while staffing levels are reduced and chaotic - that's so dangerous.
If the government are jailing Extinction Rebellion protestors, then why is it that Piers Corbyn and his fruitloop antivax mob are doing this with impunity? Inciting violence against MP's and NHS staff? Criminal damage? Theft?
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1476232714328154127?s=20
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If the government are jailing Extinction Rebellion protestors, then why is it that Piers Corbyn and his fruitloop antivax mob are doing this with impunity? Inciting violence against MP’s and NHS staff? Criminal damage?
definite jail-able offences, mental if something doesn't come from that.
If the government are jailing Extinction Rebellion protestors
Luckily it's the courts who decide who to jail not the government. I agree though that it seems bizarre that Piers Corbyn appears to be carrying out illegal activities with impunity. I thought his arrest a few days ago after allegedly urging the offices of MPs to be burnt down was going to silence him for at least a while.
Luckily it’s the courts who decide who to jail not the government. I agree though that it seems bizarre that Piers Corbyn appears to be carrying out illegal activities with impunity. I thought his arrest a few days ago after allegedly urging the offices of MPs to be burnt down was going to silence him for at least a while.
They can't keep arresting him and letting him out to reoffend like this, surely? There was an incident at a panto as well I understand.(Oh yes there was!)
Protest and disagree all you like, but criminal offences need to be treated as such.
Protest and disagree all you like, but criminal offences need to be treated as such.
Definitely theft, but Piers Corbyn wasn't the one stealing the box. I would hope that the woman who did has been arrested by now. It may be conspiracy but that would be harder to show without e.g. text messages saying "let's go an steal some vaccine".
Luckily it’s the courts who decide who to jail not the government.
The decision was for the courts, but the prosecution of Extinction Rebellion protestors was entirely politically motivated. So, is the non-prosecution of these headbangers because there are a lot on the Tory backbenchers who are broadly in the same fruit-loop camp?
Thames Valley police said they were aware of an anti-vaccination protest that took place in central Milton Keynes on Wednesday afternoon.
In a statement, the police said: “Where criminal offences have been disclosed, we will take swift action and bring offenders to justice.
If anyone has any information or wishes to report they can do by calling 101 or online quoting reference 604 29/12/2021.
So, is the non-prosecution of these headbangers because there are a lot on the Tory backbenchers who are broadly in the same fruit-loop camp?
You really think that the powers available to the courts aren't been used in the case of Piers Corbyn because it might upset Tory backbenchers?
And you are the one that's always going on about conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats!
Btw you've gone from apparently blaming the government to now blaming backbenchers, which one is it?
You really think that the powers available to the courts aren’t been used in the case of Piers Corbyn because it might upset Tory backbenchers?
Whats it got to do with the courts? He's not actually been charged with anything, has he? That tends to be something of a prerequisite for ending up in court.
Do you not think it's a bit suspect, given the zeal with which other groups of protestors are being prosecuted, that this bunch of loons are allowed to continue with this kind of behaviour with complete impunity? Yesterday is the latest in a long line of such incidents and still no charges against anyone. Yesterday they filmed themselves intimidating NHS staff, then damaging and stealing NHS equipment
Btw you’ve gone from apparently blaming the government to now blaming backbenchers, which one is it?
It's both.
We have a bunch* of rightwing libertarian headbangers on the backbenches who have made it clear that they would vote against ANY further covid measures or restrictions, leaving the government dependent on the opposition to pass them
You also have a spineless populist government with a cabinet who either agree with the headbangers or are too scared to speak up against them.
Either way, when it comes to present covid policy in England, the right wing libertarian tail is most definitely wagging the government dog.
Its through luck more than judgement that the ICU beds are't all presently full
* Over 100 of them. It only takes 40 letters to instigate a leadership challenge. Boris knows this full-well
The ukip antivax mob spent the day in MK harassing shoppers in the mall to remove masks and upsetting the kids watching panto in the theatre
The police station is 1 minute with the blue lights flashing from the testing centre
Difficult not to come across all internet hardman on these occasions but I think I probably would have kicked him as hard as I could in the bollocks under the circumstances.
Do you not think it’s a bit suspect
I've run out of tinfoil. I'll pop down to Tesco to get some just as soon as I'm allowed out of isolation.
The ukip antivax mob spent the day in MK harassing shoppers in the mall to remove masks and upsetting the kids watching panto in the theatre
The police station is 1 minute with the blue lights flashing from the testing centre
It's a tricky line at what point protesting becomes harassment and becomes a crime, and plenty will scream "Police state" if they are in any sense "proactive" about these protests. They seem to stick to low level law breaking that doesn't require them to be remanded in custody, and get publicity while playing the game.
All of which is veering off topic I guess
