Definitely, the level of incomptency/stupidity in this government will worsen the crisis. I've never seen such a bunch of lightweights. They are hopelessly out of their depth. Brown created $850 billion to bail out the banks, to put 30 billion in perspective. I expect they'll have to announce a massive stimulus package soon - but unlike Norway, it will probably be used to shore up the markets and protect investors, etc.
Been on the booze whilst WFH oap? 😂
Nah, just a greater outbreak of random than normal.
This is what you get from 4 days, imagine how out there it's going to be in another couple.
If it gets a smile or a bit of thought it's done it's job.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive
Brexit, the gift that keeps giving.
Potential game changer alert?
Is that the herd immunity via infection theory totally ****ed?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-test-positive-recover-a9404056.html
Could be poor immune memory. Could also be a number of other things that caused it, compromised immune system/latent infection with the virus hiding away.
No one is entirely sure right now. Either way Boris’ plan was daft for the same reason.
Is that the herd immunity via infection theory totally ****ed?
No, as is the case for all these viral things, it can mutate a little each time it passes on. You likely wont get the same one back again; but as he was on a cruise ship and then hospital, likely contracted versions of the virus that were many "generations" different.
No it’s not just about mutation, it’s also about how well the immune system reacts and creates immunological memory. Different viruses, disease and the individuals themselves elicit different long term responses.
It then depends on the immune function of the patient, maybe they are immunocompromised. Or maybe one of the tests after they “recovered” was a false negative.
Etc etc etc etc etc
Well, let's hope it wasn't a binary infect-recover-infect scenario....
Brexit, the gift that keeps giving.
Taking.
Brexit thread is that way —->
Yes, the stupidity of Brexit will be amplified over the coming weeks and months to the point where it may actually kill off one of the main demographics which voted for it - not that this pleases me in the slightest.
So we are not allowed to discuss how brexit might effect the coronavirus response, in the coronavirus thread?
Shall we start discussing the coronavirus in the brexit thread then?
Or are we going to find that the two cannot be discussed together because someone might get a little upset and throw their toys out the pram and demand bannings?
So another 171 cases in UK today but no news on deaths. Does this mean no new deaths or we ain't telling you now?
How about, practical effects of Brexit on UK response to coronavirus go here, vs the ideological stuff which goes on t'other one?
Now that the 'WHO' have recommended to "test...test...test every single possible case" will our government finally agree to full testing and if so dya think they have a contingency plan of how they will do this to put into place?, personally I've got pretty much ****-all faith left in the government of johnson & chums.
The wording is also changing it is now 'most' fatalities have been in individuals with serious underlying health issues.
How long until the 'serious' is surreptitiously omitted?
Not all had declared underlying medical conditions, so I'd say right at the start of the infection in the UK.
Town centre in Hampshire was noticeably quiet with less cars about too with the exception of number of very elderly crawling along in their cars and heading towards the supermarket. Wife's 88 YO step-mum (housebound with numerous chronic conditions) saying she's going to go outside and 'catch it' and get over it whilst being told she won't get hospitalised and suffer a long and painful death...
We agreed to sell the house just over a week-ago and plan to self-build in Scotland - survey this week but whether we'll get screwed-over on price or our move will get delayed will have to wait and see. If going ahead, I really need to get up to Scotland to sort a few things out next week - at least the roads will be quieter!
Just had to cancel a couple of meetings. Work from home until further say. Its hitting home now.
Listening to johnson, even if his script had been written by the medicos and scientists, inspires zero confidence.
Every time he opens his mouth he demonstrates he has no leadership ability at all and has no intellectual depth.
The 500 number exclusion in Scotland was well explained, or so I thought.
This is so inappropriate but I'm giggling at the facial and body movements of the sign language transcriber on the BBC coverage of johnsons spiel.
I'm going to hell aren't i?
Johnson saying 'I' all the time, Vallance saying 'we'.
Anyway, since my daughter has a cough, that's me home for 14 days.
Work from home.
No pubs.
No mass gatherings.
Whole house isolation for 14 days.
No lockdown for the elderly.
Johnson just doesn't have the gravitas for this job. The Chief Scientific Advisor is making a far, far better job of it, as is the Chief Medical Officer.
Johnson's communication is awful. He needs to be clear like mrmonkfinger - not waffle.
Also - testing is being ramped up.
WHO test test test and test people in contact with those tested.
Boris dont go to the pub!
Work from home.
No pubs.
No mass gatherings.
Whole house isolation for 14 days.
No lockdown for the elderly.Johnson just doesn’t have the gravitas for this job. The Chief Scientific Advisor is making a far, far better job of it, as is the Chief Medical Officer.
Thats because 1, they are knowledgeable people and 2, they dont tell untruths, half truths, and outright lies for a living. Not one govt politician has given a straight answer that I've heard. Now is not the time for avoidance and bull****
WHO test test test and test people in contact with those tested.
Boris dont go to the pub!
Yeah you didn’t listen to the medical officer who answered the question.
So wait theres still an argument about when to close schools?
surely this was decided weeks ago
is there a strategy or not?
Every answer johnson gives further re-inforces my comment ^^^.
Short on facts, long on waffle.
His limitations are being exposed ruthlessly and that will continue every time he's in the spotlight.
There is a strategy yes - wait until it's needed, don't close them before.
A key argument against closing schools is that it'll stop thousands of key workers from being able to go to work. Selective closing for kids of non-essential workers would be better.
My 2 year old granddaughter is more articulate than that clown.
My sis-in-law is a teacher in France and they're being told to prepare for closures of schools for most pupils, apart from children of essential workers (medical, police, fire...) - which seems a reasonable approach
There's been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it's being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions. Colindale openly started recruiting but must have been inundated as they have taken the ad down now.
Errrr, French schools have been shut since saturday and there's no return date. Madame is a teacher and all she's had to do is put up some lessons on the Net, but as the network is saturated with parents trying to access their kids' lessons I would imagine most are playing computer games.
Hospital workers are sorting themselves out according to France Info and there have been no staff shortages so far due to doctors or nurses staying home to look after kids.
Selective closing for kids of non-essential workers would be better.
+1
Cant believe that's not been done.
There’s been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it’s being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions.
Let me know if you hear any more as I'd do it.
Does it still count as travel if you are on a bike and go round in a big circle and end up back where you started?
And I’ll be on my own. And it’s very necessary to me. Anyone? **** it’s going to be a long few months.
This is will get lost in the speed of escalation that's just gone on...
Just of the Zwift - 60-80watts holdable, 80+ an effort, working to keep Z2 HRM, 100watts+ difficult to maintain. The bog std round the island. No power in my legs. Sacked at 10km. Im L13 200FTP so not one of the big boys but that's a kicking in a couple of weeks. Felt fine otherwise today. Thought I would manage a super easy flat Z1 power ride. Given I think I'm at the might be virus might be manflu level that's making me thing Virus.
I'd say come to this fit. Right now I'm feeling a bit WTF. Then it's going to be oh well stand up and go again on fitness rebuild.
With the pm saying to avoid non-essential travel, are people considering that to include travel to and from the home to wherever we bike and run?
Meant to spend a weekend running in lakes with a friend. Chances are we would see no-one else but in my mind it is not necessarily essential. Apart from a stepping stone to my summer goals.
And there I was expecting a barnstorming Churchillian call to arms. Instead we got Bertie Wooster meekly asking us to curtail our social lives if it wouldn't be too much trouble. In complete contrast to the Italian PM who said he was making this decision and he would take responsibility for it, Boris basically said this is his advice but it's up to you whether to follow it. I think we all know what the result will be. Total f***** coward, and a total lack of leadership.
The most sobering article I've read yet..
3 week's behind Italy, 10 weeks from the peak..and we are already running out of equipment and oxygen. And not just for old folks either..
These are dark dark times..
There’s been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it’s being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions.
Surley this should be paid work, many 1000s, millions? of people in hospitality, retail, etc are losing or just about to lose their jobs
