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It was known that Prince Charles had been in contact with infected folk before he came up to Balmoral with his retinue of security staff and hangers-on. ****ing parasite should be sent home like every other second home owner and "self isolater" has.
Silly old ****.
It’s bloody awful journalism
'Nouriel Roubini is a professor at NYU’s Stern School of Business and was senior economist for international affairs in the Clinton White House’s Council of Economic Advisers. He has worked for the IMF, the US Federal Reserve and the World Bank.'
Silly old ****.
How old is she?
Does she or any other lodgers have underlying health conditions?
If he was living there in the week, and elsewhere at the weekend, and intended to carry on that way, then her concerns might not be confined to his occupation.
On the face of it, her actions are awful, but this is a learning curve for everyone, and how to act is not always straight forward without the benefit of hindsight and knowing all the facts.
The thing that strikes me about the Oxford study, is why if so many folks have already had it are we only now seeing lots of people seriously ill/dying
I’m no scientist, but even I can see the flaw with that theory..
People have been dying all winter, as usual, from apparent 'flu' complications. There will be a large number of pneumonias which have been classified that way without a second thought because Covid-19 didn't even register as an issue in the UK at that time.
But I agree, if it were circulating widely in the community, I'd expect some trace of it to turn up on the thousands of tests on people admitted to hospital they did without getting positives early in the outbreak. Nearly all the early cases they were getting had an identified source, rather than being out of the blue.
It's one of those things that you fervently hope is true because it means the overall death rate has to be much lower. We need to get out there and do some proper antibody testing to see what the prevalence of this virus is.
MOT’s suspended for six months
Given that 40% of staff in hospitals in the east of France have tested positive I find it more shocking that the NHS hasn't requisitioned accomodation for all its staff so they don't have to go home. Medical staff are turning out to be a major vector of transmission in France, Spain and Italy - learn from that NHS, don't let doctros into nursing homes, don't let doctors go home unless the people they live with are respecting confinement to the letter.
In our local ephad (old people's home) the staff are living in and there's no contact with anyone from outside.
UK webcams made really bad viewing until yesterday and today is even better. The pavements are finally deserted and the few people who are out are generally respecting a reasonable distance. The one thing that is odd is the amount of car trafic which is still higher than other countries with confinement measures - I reackon too many people are exploiting the ambiguities of government policy and still working.
STW seems representative, the vast majority are playing the game but there are stil a few chancers. Thumbs up to the majority.
I'm working in Cardiff today and there's a few police patrols stopping people and asking why they are out. One guy failed the attitude test by getting all hobby so he was taken away in the riot van.
Can see why they're doing it, the city is mostly dead but there are obvious small groups of people out for the hell of it and not keeping safe distances. A few more of those and the word will get out, either that or well end up with a total lockdown.
How old is she?
I was referring to Charlie! 🤐🤣
Ha ha!
Ed, hotels are being used for key NHS staff here as well. Will be extended as more hotels are made ready for this, I’m sure.
Hunt asking at PMQs both for weekly tests for NHS staff, and to open up public testing. Waffle response.
Nouriel Roubini is a professor at NYU’s Stern School of Business and was senior economist for international affairs in the Clinton White House’s Council of Economic Advisers. He has worked for the IMF, the US Federal Reserve and the World Bank.’
I know who he is, it's still an awful article. An appeal to authority doesn't negate the wishy washy un-insightful maybes in the article. At a time like this, when people are feeling afraid and vulnerable it's not really offering anything other than clicks for the Guardian.
Trying not to to build into a full rage on here....
Facebook market place/hobby selling group. "I'm going to keep buying and selling as I have to travel the country for my job!"
This is why we can't have nice things!
My stress levels have risen since going for the weekly shop and seeing a mother of my sons classmate, she cheerfully told me her son had being showing symptoms for a few days so she thought she better go shopping!! Why, why is it so hard to understand?
A couple of our employees walk to work and were stopped last night to see where they were going.
I have just issued essential worker letters for them to carry.
Pleased to see most of the country is now taking this seriously.
Why, why is it so hard to understand?
Because the vast majority of people are really quite stupid. We are reliant on the not quite so stupid taking note which will at least slow down the spread more than if everyone carried on as normal.
Supermarkets are clearly now the most dangerous place you can go as that is pretty much the only place people can 'legally' go to and you can guarantee they won't all be 2 metres apart.
Just been shopping at my local aldi, one out, one in and queuing in the car park 2m apart was working really well.
Clear lines on the floor at the checkout and people keeping their distance from each other.
Can it be like that all the time please.
Just been shopping at my local aldi, one out, one in and queuing in the car park 2m apart
Everyone just going into my local tesco as usual, now precautions at all.
Can it be like that all the time please.
As long as it’s this sunny all the time, that would be grand.
Local Lidl in Italy has been like that for 3 weeks. I wonder if Lidl and Aldi are better prepared to roll out these measures in UK because they have been operating like that in Europe for some time. It'll be all new to Tesco.
Surely there must be normal seasonal flu, or another Flu like Virus that is doing the rounds.
Forgive me if this sounds dumbed down , but I am not a scientist
The advice is , if you feel hot , or have a persistant cough then ring /online NHS111. You have to get past door #1. Then you may be seen by a GP or medical practioner who confirms symptons in line with C19, door#2
You then get admitted to Hospital , and there will be seen by another health care professional , bloods taken , and if you get past door#3 you are put in a ward and tested for C19
I am not certain but I think the actual number of positives results V negatives is in the region of 10 to 1 . Given we are not blanket testing , and you only get tested once in hospital . And to get to that stage you have to convince many health professionals that you have C19 , and even then its 10-1 chance that you dont, but you have another illness that mirrors C19 to a point.
Either the numbers are out , people being checked without symptons and in hospital with a broken arm , the tests are wrong ( doubtful ) or maybe its a combination of flu and C19??????
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days
Why does this sound too good to be true?
RM.
For sure the CV19 symptoms are pretty common for flu and other viruses too. That is why WHO advocates widespread testing, but that does not seem to have been pursued in the UK like in South Korea or Germany.
At a time like this, when people are feeling afraid and vulnerable it’s not really offering anything other than clicks for the Guardian.
Well first off if someone like Roubini is warning about a Greater Depression and the potential for geo-policital instability then it's worth taking note of. Secondly are you seriously suggesting that reporting of this shouldn't occur because it might be bad news?
The thing that strikes me about the Oxford study, is why if so many folks have already had it are we only now seeing lots of people seriously ill/dying
I’m no scientist, but even I can see the flaw with that theory..
Well you're no scientist... 😉 I work for Imperial so will be loyal to their conclusions....
That is why WHO advocates widespread testing,
I'm struggling to understand this.
The current test only tells you if you have it now, or not. It can't tell you if you have had it. And if you haven't got it now it doesn't mean you won't get it next week.
So say you do 60k tests and 20k are positive.
I can understand that knowing you have 20k current cases is useful.
But the 40k negative seems a bit meaningless. It doesn't mean these people are safe and not going to get it in future. Is there any use to know the number of negative tests?
It is widely thought that having Covid-19 makes people immune to the disease or that if they get it a second time, they do not transmit it.
From rm's article..seems a bit of a leap!
Well you’re no scientist… 😉 I work for Imperial so will be loyal to their conclusions….
Surely Oxford uni don't put out any old nonsense though..there must be some basis to their paper surely? If not then it's a very dangerous and irresponsible publication, as it's basically fake news..But from a source many people would normally assume is very credible (Me included).
It's only when you think about in context of rise in infections in uk that it becomes obvious its bullturd
I’m struggling to understand this.
It's so you can see where outbreaks are occurring, and more importantly, track and find people that have it and isolate them.
Soap question. We don’t have a lot of handwash left, but I did bulk buy 5l of shower gel last year in a single use plastic purge.
Does shower gel contain the right ingredients to break down the CV and be effective as a handwash?
I would imagine the tank feeding the hand wash bottling line and the shower gel bottling line are one and the same.
Does shower gel contain the right ingredients to break down the CV and be effective as a handwash?
The main ingredients on the two random bottles I checked look more or less the same. Liquid soap will be different to bar soap and the government doesn't specify which, so I imagine its all good.
Science here - doesn't specifically mention shower gel but it's reasonable to assume that the amphiphile content and properties described are present in shower gel and shampoo and it's not a concentration thing like alcohol content is for hand sanitisers.
Bottom line is that the soap doesn't need to be anti-bacterial because (all together now) "IT'S A VIRUS!"
EDIT - Unless you bought five litres of Lynx in which case you'll die of sex.
"EDIT – Unless you bought five litres of Lynx in which case you’ll die of sex."
Post of the thread!!! 😀 😀 😀
I think any kind of washy soapy type thing helps as it breaks down the double sided sellotape on your hand to which the virus sticks and everything is washed down the plug hole.
Thanks All - love the lynx post 🤩
Apparently a home testing kit is due to be released 'in days' - potential game-changer, you'll finally be able to find out easily whether you've had the virus and, reading the article, most likely if you have it too:
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days <
That is good news so long as it’s not too good to be true.
Hopefully they work if they do they can be distributed quickly and they have enough of them.
And yes, the Lynx comment wins the thread so far 😁
I’m working in Cardiff today and there’s a few police patrols stopping people and asking why they are out.
I'm travelling around by bike, train and car in Munich and surrounding area. Not seen a single police check, which is odd as in a usual month I'll see at least one, if not two.
Police were policing along the river last week and issued fines/warnings to people in groups.
GF's friends had the police round because one of her's and neighbour's kid were seen by another neighbour who dobbed them in.
Bonus right now, the trains are empty and a pleasure to use.
Local shop here had the police in to check why they were still open, hardware, cleaning products and just about anything else you could need so they were fine.
Hope the test can identify Covid 19 specifically, rather than just telling you if you've got coronavirus, as around 15% of common colds come from a coronavirus...
With the average adult getting 2 or 3 colds a year and the average child getting 6 to 8, that's at least 3 Billion people a year with a coronavirus.
And if 3 Billion people test positive for coronavirus, shit's gonna get wild
(especially with the lack of bog roll)
Just been shopping at my local aldi, one out, one in and queuing in the car park 2m apart was working really well.
Nothing like that happening in my local aldi...!
Distance at the builders merchants and bakery. Petrol station, no.
Yep, home testing kit is great news. Any NHS/Care workers who have had it can deal with people with no risk while those that haven't can remain cautious. Those that have had it can also return to work and go about normal business.
Apparently a home testing kit is due to be released ‘in days’ – potential game-changer, you’ll finally be able to find out easily whether you’ve had the virus and, reading the article, most likely if you have it too:
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days
Good news, but a concern I have with this is it will allow people who can’t be arsed to comply with the lockdown to say they have tested themselves and have had it, therefore immune and are therefore fine to go to the pub etc.
Also I read somewhere scientists have identified 40 different strains, would it be guaranteed if you had caught one strain you would also be immune to the other 39?
Any NHS/Care workers who have had it can deal with people with no risk while those that haven’t can remain cautious
That's assuming that once you've had it your are immune to catching it again - has that been confirmed yet?
I thought that's why people were casting doubt on the herd immunity theory.
Diageo bottling plant is still operating so we don't run out off Tanqueray or Johnnie Walker. So much for lockdown and essential only . They are only walking in pairs as they head out for a fag and blether
That’s assuming that once you’ve had it your are immune to catching it again – has that been confirmed yet?
Was gonna ask the same.
Hope the test can identify Covid 19 specifically, rather than just telling you if you’ve got coronavirus, as around 15% of common colds come from a coronavirus…
I can just picture the face of the procurement dude in government.
Mentioned on here last week that contact payment amounts should be raised to avoid touching pin key pads.
Just been confirmed it's been upped to 45 quid from 30 from 1st April. I'd have preferred to have more but better than nothing.
That's good, for the first time in what feels like forever the contactless didn't work in Tesco on Monday and I was forced to touch the keypad, grrrrr.
I just heard they may be bottling hand gel but no mixing it with tonic
Local company has claimed to have a test for a while, business enquiries only and apparently most are being shipped abroad.
Link to the article I saw it on
Just been confirmed it’s been upped to 45 quid from 30 from 1st April. I’d have preferred to have more but better than nothing.
Applepay and presumably other telephoney pay things go muuuuuuch higher if that helps. Not sure what the limit actual is but used it for £80 worth of shopping the other day without having to touch the dirty virus infested button contraption.
if you have google pay or apple pay on your phone the limits are higher still.
To answer another Q - the way 'soap' kills CV is by dissociating the external lipid (fat) layer, which deactivates it, and enables the insides to leak out, destroying it in the process. That's a layman's version but it's good enough and hence 'any' fat dissolving soap will be more or less effective against it. Some soap ingredients (surfactants) are more aggressive than others but 20-30s with shower gel or fairy liquid or whatever should work.
I’m standing in a queue in the cold waiting to give blood. I was torn as to whether not was a good time to do it but decided I should.
Apart from work it’s the most people I’ve seen for about 2 weeks.
I hope this isn’t my downfall!
What’s interesting is that I think we’re seeing the start of a massive shift in soft power and global influence as the US screws up and China steps into the breach for the rest of the world.
This.
Evil Chinese lockdown Wuhan and only a few thousand die (only?!!!) Meanwhile Trump wants to restart the US economy even if it kills people.
Trump tries to get exclusive US access to German vaccine. Russia and Cuba send doctors to Italy.
peter1979
Go for a ride mate
I was gonna pop over Phil, but not sure it's 12 weeks since I donated tbh, heads mush.
Diageo bottling plant is still operating so we don’t run out off Tanqueray or Johnnie Walker. So much for lockdown and essential only . They are only walking in pairs as they head out for a fag and blether
Not my preferred tipple but what food and drink do you class as essential? If we are only allowed bread and water then there isn't enough bread for 2000 calories x 60 million people.
mudmuncher
MemberAlso I read somewhere scientists have identified 40 different strains, would it be guaranteed if you had caught one strain you would also be immune to the other 39?
pretty sure that's nonsense and there's only one strain.
To answer another Q – the way ‘soap’ kills CV is by dissociating the external lipid (fat) layer, which deactivates it, and enables the insides to leak out, destroying it in the process. That’s a layman’s version but it’s good enough and hence ‘any’ fat dissolving soap will be more or less effective against it. Some soap ingredients (surfactants) are more aggressive than others but 20-30s with shower gel or fairy liquid or whatever should work.
I have some concentrated "Travel Wash" - Anionic Surfactants 5-15%, non-ionic surfactants < 5%, preservative formaldehyde. Seems like that would be effective?
Well, this press conference is making the term “essential” more vague than before, not less. Or is it just me being a bit dense?
Wonder how many less publicised functions he’s been attending; imagine if it spread amongst the diplomatic community!!
https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1242861618561724417?s=21
[ contracted in Budapest, not here, I would suspect - FCO staff are vital key workers at risk as well, let’s not forget that ]
pretty sure that’s nonsense and there’s only one strain.
Not 40 mind you.
Diageo are hiring folk to work in their whisky plants the now
Also I read somewhere scientists have identified 40 different strains, would it be guaranteed if you had caught one strain you would also be immune to the other 39?
You may not be "immune", but you would probably have some cross-reacting antibodies that would help target the new strain. COVID-19 (aka SARS-COV-2) is 59% genetically the same as the SARS-COV-1 virus that broke out in 2000. Antibodies against that are being tested against COVID-19. Making them into medicines will take a little longer.
If you can't make the antibodies fast enough via biotechnology (you need a cell line, bioreactors, processing etc...), you go ROUTE1 - infuse plasma containing antibodies from recovered patients. The FDA approved this yesterday for patients under a single-patient Investigational New Drug Process. This is unprecedented.
Medicines WILL come, vaccines will follow. Tests are the easy bit.
Can you imagine the clamour for self testing kits when they become available? It'll make the bog roll wars look like a nice Sunday outing. The what happens? Do you get a tattoo to confirm you are clear and can go about your business while the rest of us are still in lockdown?
Can you imagine the clamour for self testing kits when they become available? It’ll make the bog roll wars look like a nice Sunday outing. The what happens? Do you get a tattoo to confirm you are clear and can go about your business while the rest of us are still in lockdown?
It will all be coordinated via the NHS not buying them off eBay.
Similar To the process in South Korea
Not 40 mind you.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-scientists-found-40-mutations-of-the-coronavirus-report-says/
Still awaiting peer review though
@nobeerinthefridge I’ll be honest, I kind of regret it. 1.5hrs queuing outside, everyone standing 2m apart.
Inside there’s just no way to stray apart, and lots of people. It’s the most people I’ve been close to in the last 2 weeks. Prime location for passing something on!
what happens? Do you get a tattoo to confirm you are clear and can go about your business while the rest of us are still in lockdown?
or you keep the infected locked up
Fellow rural types - or anyone who's done the one a day on a country road.
What's the hive mind view on delivery van driver's driving?
I'm getting a feeling the heady mix of urgency and low traffic volume invulnerability is causing increasing risk taking.
Yes there is less mix of hitting a metal box but there's more chance of mashing and squishing people. It's also really bad form to render your vehicle unserviceable.
Drive safe!
The FDA approved this yesterday for patients under a single-patient Investigational New Drug Process. This is unprecedented.
Very interesting!
I wonder how much plasma you would need for this to be effective. Might need a unfeasibly large number of donors to vaccine the whole country, also there would be safety concerns in doing that.
I wonder how much plasma you would need for this to be effective. Might need a unfeasibly large number of donors to vaccine the whole country, also there would be safety concerns in doing that.
Cummings will be drawing up a plan to infect the unemployed