But, carry on blaming China if it makes you feel better.
It's not about blame, its about finding out the causes and then stopping it happening again which, unfortuanalty based on recent experience, ain't going to happen.
Theres another argument for another time whether an authoritative regime is better at clearing up the mess than trying to stop it happening in the first place mixed with a social inability to admit mistakes (or to lose face).
Reading this article about Italy's mixed messages and public behaviour as infections and deaths ramped up: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/a-warning-to-europe-italy-struggle-to-convince-citizens-of-coronavirus-crisis
If you look at the numbers, yesterday we were were they were on March 7th (though we have a slightly higher death rate). On March 8th, their number of cases increased > 50% and they went into lockdown within a couple of days.
I would imagine that we will see a rise/spike in cases some day this week, and with the noises from government and lots of reporting on people failing to do distancing and going to holiday homes etc you would expect the full lockdown this week.
The only reason this has spread so far and so quickly is mainly on the backs of Chinese tourists
Sauce? Or just slapping a bit of racism in here for the bantz?
Even if 'Chinese tourists' were to blame for the virus getting out of the country, we can lay the blame for the continuing domestic spread of the virus firmly at the feet of idiotic, selfish Brits ignoring the seriousness of the situation.
Morning folks, well that's the Big Boris Weekend or is it Bash over. We'll see how bad the hangover is in a few weeks.
Right now it's back to the only game in town - protect people and be kind.
Kind or just general nice is a key one. There's going to be a whole load of key workers dealing with the same stuff as the rest of us as well as getting plans spoken and unspoken into place. Give these people slack, they walk out of the pressure cooker of work into the pressure cooker of life. We really don't want to be weakening the foundations by stressing them.
There's still going to be Darwin Awards - although that's not really as funny as it used to be. There's always time for tin foil hats - those with time will be able to craft up some quite magnificent ones.
If you are planning out there - at any level - remember the law of unintended consequences.
Biosecurity first and everything else around it. Avoid morris dancing about as much as possible - clear and simple - people are going to be having to process a lot of information.
National stereotypes are a love of shopping, rules, queuing and being emotionally reserved. We really should be able to get this!
Look after yourselves and remember - keeeeeep distancing
oh, and that's me clocking on in the rabbit hole
The Government should have anticipated ....................that as far as the virus the UK isn't different to anywhere else.
I'm pretty sure that is what will be written.
At every step the government has under reacted, as if we can go back and change that later.
Sauce? Or just slapping a bit of racism in here for the bantz?
Even if ‘Chinese tourists’ were to blame for the virus getting out of the country, we can lay the blame for the continuing domestic spread of the virus firmly at the feet of idiotic, selfish Brits ignoring the seriousness of the situation.
I'm pretty sure the numbers of Brits in HK is a lot lower than Cantonese.
If you want to twist language for race it still doesn't change people from mainland Asia of mixed ethnic backgrounds spreading the disease to HK.
Dodged into the co-op early to get some bottles, our anniversary today, 'sorry we don't serve alcohol till 8'. So I dodge into the garage, bottles bingo(before 8)! You'd think they'd loosen up such petty restrictions in times like these.
You’d think they’d loosen up such petty restrictions in times like these.
I have a feeling that law-makers and administrators have more pressing legal changes to deal with than making sure you can get booze out of hours.
China reported the virus to the rest of the world on 31/12/2020, it was 20 days before a case in another country was reported. Given the incubation period of 14 days it is entirely the fault of the rest of the world that they didn't stop people arriving from China as of 31/12/2020. I was ranting at the TV news in frustration by mi-January (my Welsh Watre bacti-lab and disaster management training was ringing alarm bells).
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-timeline.html
Even on this forum people were anticipating an economic shock and cyclelife started a thread about it. I personally had already stopped investing a few years back as I thought the market too high. Madame pulled a significant investment on 15/01/2020. We went cash dominant in the hope that the banking system holds up and we can use the cash to pick up a property in a year or so's time.
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stocks-shares-coronavirus-brexit-trump-etc/
Don't blame China, they did well to spot it wasn't just seasonal flu and pneumonia and their medics got the news out despite censorship; their medics told the rest of the world they had a problem in time for the rest of the world to act. Blame our own leaders. Macron was to slow off the mark, on this subject Marine Le Pen has been more astute. Make you own judgements about Trump and Johnson.
you can get booze out of hours
Surely it's about spacing customers throughout the day, that's the logic behind opening at 6am.
you can get booze out of hours
NHS/key workers were allowed into supermarkets early yesterday, only to have to queue at the tills until 10 because Sunday trading. 🤦
Surely it’s about spacing customers throughout the day, that’s the logic behind opening at 6am.
Right now, there's a certain logic to only shopping for essentials, too. Changing licencing restrictions requires legislation. Do you honestly think that's a good use of government and local authority resources at the moment?
Toast your anniversary with a cup of tea.
NHS/key workers were allowed into supermarkets early yesterday, only to have to queue at the tills until 10 because Sunday trading. 🤦
Yep people don’t get it,the shop should have just opened the tills early to avoid further uneccessary infections, the manager should have upped his game an deemed it was more risk to the National good than a fine(that won’t happen)
Quick in quick out is what you need.
If you think that what we're experiencing now is the "fault" or "responsibility" of Chinese people, then you're not paying sufficient attention to the science. While SARS-COVID 19 probably originated in bats, there's no conformation of the transmission vector, it could have been a domestic cat; for instance. If you can't understand that, i'll spell it out very clearly: The "wet-market, eeeuuuww they eat bats!?" crap that you're hearing, is a non story. There are bats with this virus on every continent, and there are domestic cats that hunt them...on every continent. This could've happened literally anywhere barring Antarctica.
I can't believe that in a time of a global pandemic that threatens everyone, people even now can't stop themselves with this sort of unhelpful shit
People moaning about not getting drink is a joke, get a ****in grip.
Sauce? Or just slapping a bit of racism in here for the bantz?
Yes, if I was a racist with an particlar anti Chinese slant then marrying a women of Chinese origin and living there probably wouldn't be the most logical thing to do.
It's the stereotype STW response, I disagree with your opinion therefore you are a racist.
All I am saying is a combination of Chinese government bumbling (arresting the doctors who initially raised their suspicions about it), generaly poor hygiene standards at the wet markets, a plethora of Chinese tourists gadding about in late December/January and then the mass migration of Chinese people for the Chinese New Year just as the government, and then WHO, got involved probably played a large part in where we are now.
Yes, the actions taken once the Chinese government realised how bad the situation was is impressive, but the measures that took to curtain it would never be possible in the UK.
I dont think so anyway, I mean people are happy to vote for travel restrictions as Brexit proved but no be told to.
What do you folks see as trustworthy news sources regarding the virus? I'm not seeing anything I could see as comprehensive source and am spending way too much time reading from several sources.
Bit funny:
If anyone believes the Chinese numbers I’ve got a lovely bridge for sale.
Golden bridge from China? https://engnews24h.com/here-is-everything-you-want-to-know-about-the-new-slussenbron/
The funniest part:
The Chinese crew on transport ship didn't want go on the shore in Sweden due Corona-risk - they had been on ship already from beginning of January.
People moaning about not getting drink is a joke, get a **** grip.
The point about loosening trading hours laws seemed entirely valid to me. Don’t be so harsh.
It’s the stereotype STW response
Or, perhaps the usual political suspects blaming China for the spread within our own countries and attempting to shift the blame to “others”, and those happy to go along with focussing on that at this difficult time, are the ones exhibiting a stereotype response.
Right, messaging… dear government… using new novel easily misunderstood terms, such as “social distancing”, needs to stop. Make it simple… use “physical distancing” instead… we need to come together and be “socially close” over the next few months, and we have the tech do achieve that. And, of course you can make it even simpler…
STAY AT HOME
Keep talking with your work mates, class mates, families, neighbours, riding buddies… in fact, do so more than usual. Just do so without being physically close.
This whole thread is starting to read like the early stages of a new religion. Boris, the Prophet, makes some vague and somewhat contradictory pronouncements. We, the followers, take those and interpret them in a whole host of different ways. Heretics emerge who follow false Prophets like Macron or some youtube channel.
Cursed are those who ride bikes, don't they understand this is forbidden? It was proclaimed in France to be true.
No, riding bikes is OK as long we stay apart.
Thou shan't leave thy house, even if thy bog roll is barren.
Err OK. I'll go get bog roll but wash my hands, it was the word of Boris.
Strife follows.
Yes, the actions taken once the Chinese government realised how bad the situation was is impressive, but the measures that took to curtain it would never be possible in the UK.
Yes, but we could have enacted many of the measures that Taiwan and Singapore took from day one - not all - but a lot of them.
In general the west has displayed a level
Of incompetency that has shocked Asia.
My new boss has just Skyped me.........
Checking in toileting see how I am? No.
Checking I am managing my work ok? No.
Giving my guidance as to how the business is going to react to the current situation? No.
He messaged me to say he is off to Heathrow to collect his in-laws who have flown in from Israel.............
i'm quite surprised they haven't agreed to suspend trading/ftse etc looks like another week of carnage.
I see the excellent Mark Handley UCL page now has graphs showing UK regional differences.
yesterday we were were they were on March 7th (though we have a slightly higher death rate).
YGH.
I think you're looking at confirmed cases? The deaths in UK on 20th [177] matched Italy on 5th or 6th [148 or 197], so either set of figures, we are following along in their footsteps. Shame. We had warning.
Checking in toileting see how I am?
I hope not. That would be weird.
The Chinese numbers not making sense and the west not being proactive enough are not mutually exclusive.
If this were a criticism of the the US government and their shenanigans nobody would bat an eyelid, has China become the new Israel-if you criticise you must be a racist?
I see criticisms of BoJo because he is right wing, the Spanish government is as left wing as it’s ever been, in an already centre-left country and they also got it very wrong. In fact our deputy Pm(Pablo Iglesias) is skipping quarantine even though his wife has tested positive.
nickc
SubscriberIf you think that what we’re experiencing now is the “fault” or “responsibility” of Chinese people, then you’re not paying sufficient attention to the science. While SARS-COVID 19 probably originated in bats, there’s no conformation of the transmission vector, it could have been a domestic cat; for instance. If you can’t understand that, i’ll spell it out very clearly: The “wet-market, eeeuuuww they eat bats!?” crap that you’re hearing, is a non story. There are bats with this virus on every continent, and there are domestic cats that hunt them…on every continent. This could’ve happened literally anywhere barring Antarctica.
I can’t believe that in a time of a global pandemic that threatens everyone, people even now can’t stop themselves with this sort of unhelpful shit
After the SARS virus hit, papers were published specifically regarding the specific high likelihood of other viruses originating from Chinese markets.
https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660
The Chinese numbers are a sideshow now. Europe is the epicentre of the pandemic, and the competency or otherwise of our own governments (plus the determination of our population to be ****wits and carry on regardless) is the only show in town.
Bet that is because they're selling the flowers off cheap and the stoical, plucky Brits have reverted to type at the first opportunity and said "A bargain? Hold some for me I'll get some cash".
It is all very well opening supermarkets for NHS staff early, even if you get around archaic trading rules, but if there is bugger all on the shelves (as my wife's colleagues found yesterday) then there is really little point.
And add Pets At home to the 'do not buy anything from these bastards again when this is all over' list.
Given the unbelievable levels of bell-endery on display over the weekend, does anyone think we're not going to be in full lockdown within a few days?
Even that dithering buffoon must realise, belatedly as ever, that that's whats going to be needed to deal with a nation so rammed full of total ****-wits
Thanks Retro83, will check those out 👍
What’s the latest on Cummings comments?
Are there people on here who still think our initial response was based on the best possible science? They’ve gone a bit quiet lol.
The next social media outrage will be over selfish bastards sending kids into schools when they could be safely looked after at home.
My son's class is strongly rumoured to be sending around 20 kids in today. There is no way all of them are unable to be safely looked after at home. Meanwhile am I being a mug by compromising my job prospects by trying to WFH and run two schools at the same time? It is the usual pisstakers wanting to game a system for their own advantage again.
One of my colleague's husband is a TA who works with kids with behavioral issues. The school has been inundated with calls asking if they can still send these kids because the parents cannot possibly cope with them at home.
What will it take? Instructions at the shooty end of a rifle? A few show trials?
So someone has setup a group on WhatsApp for everyone in the neighbourhood, which is a Good Thing
Conversation on Saturday morning (paraphrased):
N: Any thoughts on going to swimming pool? Is it healthy?
J: reckon the leisure centre is closed ....
G: if they were open, chlorine kills it so it would be OK apart from the changing rooms
N: its a pool in a hotel - I'll ring and see if they are open. Should I take hand sanitiser?
B (phew, the voice of reason): Simple answer NO, no-one should be swimming
N: So - swimming out then?
ffs we are all going to die
We got to go to enforced lock down
The next social media outrage will be over selfish bastards sending kids into schools when they could be safely looked after at home.
My son’s class is strongly rumoured to be sending around 20 kids in today. There is no way all of them are unable to be safely looked after at home. Meanwhile am I being a mug by compromising my job prospects by trying to WFH and run two schools at the same time? It is the usual pisstakers wanting to game a system for their own advantage again.
One of my colleague’s husband is a TA who works with kids with behavioral issues. The school has been inundated with calls asking if they can still send these kids because the parents cannot possibly cope with them at home.
What will it take? Instructions at the shooty end of a rifle? A few show trials?
The easier solution, if you're getting that worked up, would be to avoid social media. Reality does not equal your facebook feed or the tabloid news pages.
There will kids stuck at home suffering real harm as a result of this. It's one thing for my kids running about a big garden doing wholesome crafts and blowing bubbles. There will be kids from their class that are getting knocked about by their alchy parents right now with nothing but a Rustlers burger for their tea, if they're lucky. School was the only decent and stable thing some kids had.
What’s the latest on Cummings comments?
Are there people on here who still think our initial response was based on the best possible science? They’ve gone a bit quiet lol.
If ever there was a candidate for being taken out into a field and executed, he is it. Seems he knew, and cared not.
I did initially think, perhaps the science is suggesting this response will be enough, but I changed my mind pretty quickly in light of the Italian experience.
It's not just younger people and Londoners being daft. I had to go into our (small, provincial) town for a couple of essentials- the place was swarming with pensioners, standing round in groups having a chat. I was the only person under 67 on a very busy high street, and it was a real mathematical problem trying to keep 2m away from the clots of silver surfers having a good old gas.
Seriously. Two instructions- 'Stay home if possible. Keep your physical distance if you have to go out' appears to be too hard for the general population.
binners
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Given the unbelievable levels of bell-endery on display over the weekend, does anyone think we’re not going to be in full lockdown within a few days?Even that dithering buffoon must realise, belatedly as ever, that that’s whats going to be needed to deal with a nation so rammed full of total ****-wits
Full lock-down has been inevitable since Boris first took to on our teles.
One of the things that's baffling to me is how people can't see that things are just progressing a bit day by day.
Everyone is getting mananged into a slow lockdown slowly but surely. Normal people have followed the advise, this week it's time to sort out the idiots.
Devastating takedown of Boris's handling of the whole thing.
It's not that hard to grasp is it?
This is probably the only chance you'll ever get to be a hero and save peoples lives by lying on your couch and watching the telly.
Don't f*** it up.
Its inevitable and a matter of when not if:
MPs are returning to the Commons after the weekend to debate the government's Coronavirus Bill in all its stages, before it goes to the House of Lords and becomes law by the end of this week.
The bill, which runs to more than 320 pages, includes:
Police powers to detain suspected carriers for quarantine and screening
Restrictions on travel
Streamlining NHS procedures, including allowing death certificates by funeral directors
Closing ports and airports if there is a shortage of Border Force staff.
Bill is here:
The easier solution, if you’re getting that worked up, would be to avoid social media. Reality does not equal your facebook feed or the tabloid news pages.
There will kids stuck at home suffering real harm as a result of this. It’s one thing for my kids running about a big garden doing wholesome crafts and blowing bubbles. There will be kids from their class that are getting knocked about by their alchy parents right now with nothing but a Rustlers burger for their tea, if they’re lucky. School was the only decent and stable thing some kids had.
Re your first point. The thing at my kids school was first hand from the class teacher. The thing at my colleague's husband's school was first hand from her. Not surfing social media looking for stuff to be offended by, so wind your neck in.
As for the second paragraph, you have a very valid point, and I don't have the answer. But comfortably middle class parents sending their kids into school when they don't really need to cannot be helping.
As always the selfish have skimmed over the words 'absolutely necessary' and jumped straight to the T&Cs looking for a loophole.
If you think that what we’re experiencing now is the “fault” or “responsibility” of Chinese people
I don't really understand where you got that from?
If you read what stewartc wrote he is blaming the CCP for allowing the spread to HK.
I think we are getting a bit tied up here over what exactly the definition of "Chinese people" is.. ??
Licensing, Sunday Trading laws, Fining parents for kids missing school, social services being called ?
All this seems to be pretty simple ...
My local FB groups have been "the school won't say if we will be fined" ... "what if I go to the supermarket and leave my 9/10yr old at home and social services get involved"
NHS staff queuing for Sunday opening ??? NHS staff requiring MOT... ???
All of this could have been easily sorted out with simple statements ...FFS
I think the "racism" debate over what stewart said is just a simply misunderstanding of what he intended. I took "chinese tourists" to be the folk moving around in china as there were big festivals or something. Not racist. If you took it to mean " Chinese nationals travelling outside of china" then that looks racist. I am very sensitive to racism - too sensitive according to some but I saw no racism in his post
Guys - we are all a bit on edge and worried. Lets try to keep it civil and try to think of the best interpretation of what folk say not the worst
Social workers have far bigger problems on their minds than whether a child who is old enough to be left alone for a short time has been.
On Sunday trading and such, till systems are all electronic now and will be programmed to open and close at certain times (and for certain items), this is not something the floor staff can do anything about, just another law of unintended consequences.
Avoid morris dancing about as much as possible
A solo jig is fine as long as you keep a sensible distance from the musician.
So – swimming out then?
Let them go. It's not as though anyone with any sense will be there.
has China become the new Israel-if you criticise you must be a racist?
Hold on there cowboy!
Chinese scientists and medical staff defied their own government to ensure that the world knew about this as early as possible. They deserve credit in doing what needs doing despite the risk to them due to the authoritarian regime they have to operate under.
Most identified entry points to Europe and the USA were non-Chinese workers fleeing China and bringing it “home”… avoiding the containment measures being put in place there… nothing to do with “Chinese Tourists”… who I hope will be as welcome as ever after all this is sorted.
Blaming the “current extent of the spread” on “Chinese Tourists” is the nonsense that was being called out.
Plenty of room to be a critic of the Chinese government. Or any government. Including in their handling of this, if you wish.
Had a look at some more numbers.
Growth in death count and growth in confirmed case count looks like about a 6 or 7 day lag to me, going on the Italian data.
If that confirmed case growth in Italy is truly slowing, then we might be looking at around 30k deaths when the thing runs its course. I have massive margin of error, of course. I am assuming actual cases tracks the confirmed case data, and the mortality is 1% and fitting the existing death figures to that.
Then conditions change of course, lockdown will lift, so we will see what happens then.
UK curves and data looks precious little different, to me. What is brutally apparent is that we are at a crucial juncture in the UK. If we don't get proper isolation working it will be very, very bad, could be easily 100k plus dead by the time the initial wave is over, but if we get it right, we couuld continue to follow the Italian curve, maybe 30k dead. If we had entered lockdown a week ago the dead could be counted in low thousands.
IANA epidemiologist. Etc.
the daily fail are running with...
Show ID to leave the house, non-essential shops could shut and police on patrol for anyone found in a group: Boris Johnson 'faces Cabinet revolt' unless he imposes European-style lockdown TODAY
Boris Johnson ‘faces Cabinet revolt’ unless he imposes European-style lockdown TODAY
Boris just does whatever Dom tells him. And Dom clearly doesn't want a lockdown. Given his recent reported comments it would appear that David Cameron was literally right in his description of him
Guys – we are all a bit on edge and worried
Sexist!
Why do we ****ing bother? That's Charles and Camilla making themselves at home on Deeside and their security retinue billitted around Ballater.
This is interesting, some good news amongst the gloom? Bare in mind the Spanish lockdown is quite strict
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737053569677290&id=106152756100731
Origronal source
Social workers have far bigger problems on their minds than whether a child who is old enough to be left alone for a short time has been.
It's would only take a clarification. "If you think your child can be safely left at home whilst you go to the supermarket ..." otherwise like the key workers where one parent is WFH /schools/pubs some will do it because they are idiots and don't care others because they are a different type of idiot that is waiting for explicit instructions.
On Sunday trading and such, till systems are all electronic now and will be programmed to open and close at certain times (and for certain items), this is not something the floor staff can do anything about, just another law of unintended consequences.
"Sorry we can't unlock the tills until 10 AM ???" - How about a store manager shifting the NHS hour to when they are actually open?
"We will not be fining anyone who's child is absent" (etc. etc.)
Um... except our biggest problem with all this seems to be no-one can or will think for themselves and take action.
Quite honestly we/I should have seen this coming... when my son's grandfather died a few years ago I emailed the school to ask if he can attend the funeral .. (before the data was even known).
Answer "we will come back to you next week"
It seems to me the law of unintended consequences is a bigger/wider/longer question .. years of penalising people who take an initiative in the first instance.
The next social media outrage will be over selfish bastards sending kids into schools when they could be safely looked after at home.
The Learning Trust my wife works at has experienced numbers in class to be roughly equal to Government expectations and have not been overwhelmed by selfish individuals.
The Learning Trust my wife works at has experienced numbers in class to be roughly equal to Government expectations and have not been overwhelmed by selfish individuals.
That's good to hear.
Our issue is going to be the entitled 'my career is just so fabbo and soooooo important to me' types that are the rule around here.
"I would be able to work effectively if only Tarquin wouldn't keep pestering me to open jars of olives for him and Jemima wouldn't keep worrying about her pony". That type.
Still, I'm enjoying a bit of a rant...
Nicola Sturgeon
* urging all non-essential shops to close (other than food, fuel and pharmaceuticals?)
* urging all non-essential businesses to close and not require workers to attend
* not ruling out army/police enforcement.
The first minister points out she has made announcements on the closure of pubs and clubs and today called on all non-essential retail to shut.Ms Sturgeon tells the journalist she understands human instinct but if you are in a crowded place indoors or outdoors you are encountering the same risk. People have to get out and get fresh air and exercise, but on your own or with your own family group who you live with, she adds.
The right actions are happening … maybe some of us think that time has been wasted (I obviously do) … but things are moving fast now …
https://twitter.com/hsjeditor/status/1242071661190529024?s=21
Here's the situation in Switzerland if anyone is interested..
All shops except those selling food have been closed for over a week now. All bars, restuarants etc have been shut for two weeks.
Going to the supermarket now there are lines on the floor two meters apart and it's one out, one in. You can't advance to the till until the previous customer has left. Large sections of some shelves are taped off (DVD, games etc) as they are non essential items. So far we're still allowed out to exercise but any groups of more than 5 people in a public place are at risk of receiving a fine.
I had to post a letter today – letter box (gold one for a local olympic medallist) is outside the PO. 5 or 6 folk hanging around outside in an informal queue and all maintaining separation – so, good news.
My wife is off to one of her elderly, infirm clients (community care). She will have been in 4 other houses already today, having to team up with other workers on a couple of occasions. The client she is off to had a visitor last night and has both a cleaner and a hairdresser scheduled to pop round later today. Some folk still aren’t getting it.
Our local GP practice has had a significant number of positive tests from staff. Nightmare scenario, town I live in has a larger than average number of old folks in it's demographic.
if anyone is interested.
Yes, reassuring to know things are consistent across borders.
It's now a week since I went out shopping, so there's not much to report first hand apart from nice weather and the lack of noise.
Some folk still aren’t getting it.
From what I've just seen, it seems to be the very people who are at highest risk. Pensioners.
Just nipped into Aldi for a couple of odds and sods. No dramas. It wasn't busy. Shelves fully stocked. Nobody panic buying. Good to see. Everyone was keeping a good distance away from each other, apart from.... you guessed it.... the over 70's.
A big group of them had congregated together and were stood gassing by the tills. Moaning for *ing England. Totally ignoring the social distancing that everyone else was clearly doing and generally getting in everyone's way
*ing idiots!
Binners- so it's not just round my gaff in the deep south, then.
I'm not trying to excuse the actions of the elderly, but..... (shoot me down in flames later)
When you are 20, 30, 40, even 50, you hopefully have a long life in front of you. A lost summer of riding and other adventures will, eventually, recede in the memory and it may even spur you on to make up for lost time in the coming years. For folk over a certain age, that opportunity won't come. If you're currently able to walk around your town and gas with your mates, you'll be only too aware that could be short-lived through "normal" disease, infirmity and death. To an extent, there must be a "WGAS" emotion and a refusal to consider any premature closing down and isolation.
Jeez - I'm just over 60 and well aware that I'm never likely to get around to completing my ever-growing ticklist 🙂
IT's not just the UK either.
I'm on a conference call with a load of my team in Europe, they're having the same issues with people, but again, most of them are not in lockdown.
We in the UK seem to think it's only us being idiots.. but that's not the case
Has anyone seen any number for familial deaths i. Spain or Italy?
Wondering if they are loosing granny and grandad and then possibly mum and dad from the same building, leaving the yoinger 3 or 4 kids effectivrly orphans, but potentially ill with c19
Local Tesco tried the nhs goldrn hour, but had to abort as the queue was crazy long and the security staff were overwhelmed and threatened when they tried to turn away non n h s workers so it became the same pre apocalypse bun fight as ladt weeks effort
If you’re currently able to walk around your town and gas with your mates, you’ll be only too aware that could be short-lived through “normal” disease, infirmity and death.
Yeah, well I'm sure they'll still be expecting a bed, a respirator and a team of overstretched medical staff to look after them if they fall ill
It's just bloody selfish and inconsiderate! It's not just that they think the rules don't apply to them, they were all whining for England about anyone daring to curtail their day-to-day activities which they seem hell-bent on continuing with, completely unchanged.
https://twitter.com/SECAmbulance/status/1241734037733072896?s=20
OK, so give me a single reason why they should not be just taken out and shot?
Jeez – I’m just over 60 and well aware that I’m never likely to get around to completing my ever-growing ticklist 🙂
Although you’ve had a good shot at getting 60 ticks
I'll give you one, shooting is too quick.
ticklist
Although you’ve had a good shot at getting 60 ticks
Fair. Still to beat my record of 24.
ha, thats easy....ive got a pic somewhere of 29 ticks collected in a very sensitive area after a weekends bivvying in Galloway hills back in 1996, extremely hot weekend and sleeping pretty much naked in heather was/is a pretty stoopid thing to do.
Yeah, saw this on the local news over the weekend. They had taken a power drill to all the tyres. Also some arsonists came back to finish the job they'd started a month or so back at a local beauty spot. Beyond belief.OK, so give me a single reason why they should not be just taken out and shot?