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You make it read like there’s some sort of boomer plot that involves them dying in large numbers so they can have a quiet holiday without any yoofs
PJay puts it better than I can. As we have sacrificed a year (and counting) of our lives, kids educations ruined, businesses gone, thousands of pounds wasted even for us lucky ones, long lasting national economic damage we'll be paying for for decades; all to protect people who are about to pull the ultimate "I'm alright Jack" now that they presonally are sorted.
PJay puts it better than I can. As we have sacrificed a year (and counting) of our lives, kids educations ruined, businesses gone, thousands of pounds wasted even for us lucky ones, long lasting national economic damage we’ll be paying for for decades; all to protect people who are about to pull the ultimate “I’m alright Jack” now that they presonally are sorted.
I'm also thinking along these lines.
all to protect people who are about to pull the ultimate “I’m alright Jack” now that they presonally are sorted.
Many people who have been vaccinated are probably terrified of going to Tesco never mind Paphos. Some will go there but many won't.
When are you going to grow up and stop whining about boomers, oldies etc. ?
You are falling hook, line and sinker into the Govt trap of stirring it up and letting the people argue about trivial things. Direct your endless outrage towards the architects of this shitshow.
You make it read like there’s some sort of boomer plot that involves them dying in large numbers so they can have a quiet holiday without any yoofs
They didn't even have the decency to do that. The majority of deaths are from the generation before. They clog up hospital capacity instead.
Many people who have been vaccinated are probably terrified of going to Tesco never mind Paphos. Some will go there but many won’t.
Bunnyhops post, yesterday:
On the BBC news earlier that 41% of over 80 year olds have broken the lockdown rules, since having their jab.
Also I keep seeing little film clips of older people having their jabs, with their mask only over the mouth. Arrgghhh.
A sizable minority. Given that there is not a lot you can do to break the rules without the willful compliance of others. I wonder what the 60-80 group figures are like, and how its going to increase (for all vacinated ages) once there is a bit more freedom in what you can do in the upcoming months.
When are you going to grow up and stop whining about boomers, oldies etc. ?
When they stop moaning about us youngsters, or until I become an oldie myself. At which point I'm sure I will perpetuate the cycle.
@ajaydoubleyou I'm one of the last boomers and not even a sniff of a vaccine appointment yet. I'm not yet 60, remember what is said about assumption being the mother of all **** ups, don't go there.
@Sandwich - there's no point in trying to reason with them, they're beyond help. Their mind is made up, older people are causing all of the world's ills and youngsters are the victims.
I think ajw is an acronym for ageist joyless whinger
acronym for ageist joyless whinger
Ageist, quite possibly, but some of my best friends are old etc. etc.
But joyless whinger? compared to some of the pessimistic doom-mongers this thread has seen over the past 11 months, seriously?
some of my best friends are old etc. etc.
Okay you're forgiven
😉
Many people who have been vaccinated are probably terrified of going to Tesco never mind Paphos. Some will go there but many won’t.
When are you going to grow up and stop whining about boomers, oldies etc. ?
You are falling hook, line and sinker into the Govt trap of stirring it up and letting the people argue about trivial things. Direct your endless outrage towards the architects of this shitshow.
Don't be so naive, the oldies are rightly so peed off with it all as we all are and want to get on with life.
My wife's parents now they've had their 1st jabs have changed their attitude full circle and are leaving the house to go shopping and happy to have us in a support bubble (childcare), was able to before but didn't want too.
I know that's one example but as that other study shows I wouldn't be surprised they're all now thinking let's crack on.
Why on earth you think there's some conspiracy theory that the government is trying to play young vs old is absolutely ridiculous and I'd say it speaks more about you. 😉
The point is that we're all getting annoyed with each other instead of the bigger picture
some of my best friends are old etc. etc.
But they are different to the ones you despise eh?
You are falling hook, line and sinker into the Govt trap of stirring it up and letting the people argue about trivial things. Direct your endless outrage towards the architects of this shitshow.
Again we fall for it. 41% of most age groups have probably broken the rules, not just over 80s.
Squirrels!
I wouldn't blame Boris if he said "Sod it, it's everybody for themselves now, just don't come crying to me"
That's the feeling I get looking around at traffic levels and people meeting and talking in town and the parks.
And in a way that's how it's going to be going forward, the zero infection horse has long since bolted. And unless there's an immediately fatal variant, a further lockdown will be political suicide.
And what does 'broken the rules' mean? I broke the rules today, I took my car out for a run. A few days ago I walked to Costa with the kids. Non-essential.
If you don't know what breaking the rules entails by now you're a Muppet
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I wouldn’t blame Boris if he said “Sod it, it’s everybody for themselves now, just don’t come crying to me”
It was said at the time that when Boris supported Cummings over that whole Barnard Castle trip it would erode public confidence in governance during the pandemic and likelihood to follow regulations.
Add that to a pile of other government bugger ups and here we are.
No reason to go crying to our PM as he is part of the problem and doesn't give a sh*t anyway.
Once all the fanfare for Johnson having Got Covid Done and Freeing Up Britain starts, people need to remember:
'Of all the countries with more than 12 million people, the UK had the highest crude pandemic mortality rate by the start of March 2021: 18 people had died of the disease for every 10,000 alive at the start of the year.' (Danny Dorling)
^ this
It's like congratulating ourselves for the speed with which we called the fire brigade and how well they're dealing with the fire, while conveniently ignoring the fact it was us that set fire to the house in the first place.
I like rounding the data slightly, and it may still get there. Almost one in 500 people in the UK have died as a result of this virus, the majority of which could have avoided had the government done what needed to be done.
They have utterly failed in their key duty to protect the population, both physically and economically. I'm not interested in legal challenges or criminal charges, they need to be held to account by wider parliament, the public and the press at every opportunity, and anyone who feels that isn't appropriate needs to really have a good look at their moral compass.
It’s like congratulating ourselves for the speed with which we called the fire brigade and how well they’re dealing with the fire, while conveniently ignoring the fact it was us that set fire to the house in the first place.
I think you mean... once we had finished arguing about if we really need fire brigades, had invited all our mates round for selfies with the fire, decided if a mobile / landline or carrier pigeon was the best way to contact them, moved our mates out the way so the fire brigade could do the job and finally trusted the professionals jobs rather than thinking we knew better.
Meanwhile - with Cyprus happy to take the UK's approach to vaccine certificates. Heads its test and trace tails it's the vaccine role out. Being Boris skeptical I'd rather we weren't at this first because of the risk of another biosecurity lite outsourcing fiasco with a big fraud risk.
56yo and older open for vaccine booking now...
olddog - you beat me to it, just booked mine for next Wednesday
Once we get below 50, will it still be in age brackets? (Vested interest married to a 46yo)
Just seen a bit in the guardian coronavirus news stream where the eu are urging the us not to block exports of vaccine or raw materials into Europe.
Nothing like a bit of double standards is there
I think with Biden in the WH, at least you won’t get petulant decisions. He’s already been rolling back from Trumps US/EU trade wars.
Agreed, it should at least be balanced.
Once we get below 50, will it still be in age brackets?
That's what they've said, roll out will continue by age as it's easiest and has the biggest impact on hospital admissions. I'm 50 in May so not sure what category I'll be in when I'm eligible.
Hmm, wonder if any of you guys know this one: I'm signed up with the Royal Voluntary Service as a Steward Vaccination Volunteer. No shifts available yet but just had an email saying that they're expecting things to ramp up from the 15th March. It also said that as volunteers we're in a priority group to get a vaccination ourselves so should get this when we have a shift. It linked to the guidance doc here that seems to confirm this:
So, my question is this: would it be wise / right / better to book a vaccination at one of the big centres now, under the healthcare worker section, to get it done and out of the way (and have time to take effect) before shifts start? On the booking website it says that you need to bring proof from e.g. an employer, but would volunteer status count?
(and have time to take effect) before shifts start?
yes
bloke in the queue in front of me was a volunteer (c35)
I’m a volunteer vaccinator with SJA. I booked through the healthcare system & got jabbed at the local hospital which was HC workers only. Nobody checked or cared about my ID, but I imagine any evidence of what you are doing would suffice.
Oh my god.... think I've dodged a bullet. I recently split with my GF after nearly 5 years together. I've just found out she is a rabid anti-vaxxer when it comes to COVID. She is determined all the scare stories about vaccines killing people are true.
Not sure if this has been covered earlier in the thread but there is a lot to read through. Is the Oxford AZ vaccine still in phase 3 trials or am I right that the trials were completed Nov/Dec?
The people in the trial will be continuing to be monitored for years. As with every trial.
The required data was achieved from the trial to prove efficacy of the drug. If has been signed off by the worlds medicine watchdogs.
Phase 3 of a trial is to prove that it works. The safety is proved earlier before this even starts.
As all conspiracy, a grain of truth is twisted to prove the aims of the twister.
That's exactly what I thought. Just wanted to confirm I was right
For the az vaccine some of the phase 3 trials have completed and now are ongoing or waiting for data reporting. The us has a major study nearing readout for the oz az vaccine
From (last) Monday Corona virus vaccines will be offered to anyone living in the UK regardless of immigration status - from Reuters.
My British relative in Switzerland still can't get any information on how to get vaccinated.
gray - I think you should do this now.
All the nhs staff, care workers and vaccination volunteers in our area are jabbed at the local hospital (which isn't a vaccination centre for the public).
Where are the reliable sources of information on the vaccines being used ?
That's a pretty broad question, what specifically? How they work? What they are? What sort of proportion has been administered of each? etc. Depending what you want to know would likely mean a different resource. I don't think one place has gathered all the info together completely (apart from here maybe, but our filing system is a bit crap)
They are all highly safe, they all work well, perhaps excellently, depending on your POV. There’s not really much evidence that one is better than another and I’m certainly not going to go all “oh I’d rather have X” when my turn comes in the next few weeks (52 here).
Where are the reliable sources of information on the vaccines being used ?
Linked regularly throughout this thread, though would be a long process working through it.
Invite for the jab arrived yesterday, Mrs S and I get our first jab in 9 days time.
To whomever sent by DM the link for booking the vaccines when it arrived it was still over 60's only. Thanks for the effort, I expect that the IT change happened in the dead hours of Saturday morning.
Invite for the jab arrived yesterday, Mrs S and I get our first jab in 9 days time.
I think they were saying over 50s invites from next week on the news this morning. NHS site is saying 56+ at the moment.