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dismissed out of hand without any real evidence put forward as to why it would not work
Carbonrider/arsebiscuits... please read the thread... this is not what happened... plenty of discussion occurred about how/if/whether we could/should/would successfully install firebreaks between those who might be killed or seriously damaged by this disease and the rest of us. Part of the over confidence by some in the possibility that we could do this comes from nonsense such as...
a disease that’s really no great danger to anyone under 60
Please don’t lump me in with this. I haven’t said a single thing opposing lockdowns or social distancing or vaccination.
I think your phrase was 'hiding behind the sofa'. You then have questioned the evidence provided with alternative views yet provided very little in the way of credible alternatives, or answered what you want to see that will change your mind.
You're probably right, I shouldn't lump you in with the likes of arsebiscuits so I apologise for that, but you do seem to be the moderate wing of the same faction. Apologies if unfair, it's how you come across.
THE GBD had a lot of merit
it fails to understand basic things like herd immunity. So no it doesn’t
In very simple terms
Lovely, thank you
In the variant, the spike protein has got better at this job
Has it though? That’s what I’m asking - do we actually know this, or are we just surmising this based upon an observed increase in the infection rate?
I am interested in these "conspiracy" theories, if you trawl through History and look at the big changes (rise of Nazi Germay, Facist Italy, Soviet Union, Mao) none of these were about money it was power. They all required an opportunity or vacuum to fill.
However if you look at the next level down Brexit, Trumpism etc its all about money. Now these also requireed an opportunity (in the case of Brexit it was Cameron providing the opportunity) then people take the opportunity to make a change that benefits them.
When we drop down to anti mask/vax Qanon territory (i include Donalds Election) these are not providing an opportunity they are a reaction to individuals unhappiness with their personal circumstances and then transferring blame onto something else - as they provide no opportunity they dont take root.
Its not complicated. Brexit has proved that.
Me and my wife have both already had it, it was no big deal.
A colleague had if they are under 30 with no known health problems. I met them at hospital as they were admitted and I seriously thought that would be the last I seen of them. After several weeks and some wonderful treatment they recovered but still months later are building their energy up. Don’t belittle it just because you were one of the ones who were fortunate enough to not be seriously effected.
22000!
Me and my wife have both already had it, it was no big deal.
great, I’m glad you got better, but really so what? There are thousands of people with the disease, some of them right now are probably not thinking it’s “no big deal”
the most common theme amongst the COVID deniers I’ve met is the unrelenting “I’m all right Jack” basis for their argument
anything understood about how/why the new strain is more transmissible?
The binding affinity to ACE2 is increased. In vitro tests that look at how much virus is needed to infect (most likely) vero E6 cells shows a lower infectious titer to generate an infection.
seem to know a lot more than you
Thanks. I worked with one of them for five years. So I think I have an informed opinion of their scientific credentials. Their first publication on COVID, which made national headlines, was nothing short of wishful thinking nonsense that was never eventually published. It was fanciful and incorrect.
An eventual mortality figure of several hundred thousand COVID deaths, spread over some timeframe, is a reasonable and robust prediction. Whether that be over three months (disaster zone) or three years (managed mortality) is up for debate. The optimal strategy is probably somewhere in between.
Countries with a much better record than us in protecting the vulnerable, have been equally unsuccessful. I don’t think we’d fare well, even with the best intentions. Look at how well we are prepared for KNOWN events (B...).
You effing brain-dead idiots have your fellow countryman’s blood on your hands.
Not sure the STW Forum is really some form of Bilderberg Group controlling the world order, that's Mums net.
Has it though? That’s what I’m asking – do we actually know this,
Yes - as TiRed says above. This is the work that was being done at Porton Down. It's a fairly reliable indicator that this strain will be more virulent in real humans, and the pattern of spread in Kent/South Essex backs this up.
A colleague had if they are under 30 with no known health problems. I met them at hospital as they were admitted and I seriously thought that would be the last I seen of them. After several weeks and some wonderful treatment they recovered but still months later are building their energy up. Don’t belittle it just because you were one of the ones who were fortunate enough to not be seriously effected.
Drac you need to get real man and stop believing the vary scary propaganda.
According to the ONS:
The average age of people who have died with Covid is above 80 with more than nine in 10 of the deaths among the over 65s, according to Office for National Statistics analyses of the pandemic. Deaths among the under 45s have been low - only a few hundred have been seen, including six children under the age of 14.
Average age of Covid death is higher than the average age of death all stop. What exactly do you expect to happen to the very frail and elderly if they don't die of Covid? That they go on and live another 5, 10 years? We are effing our economy and our children's futures and delaying/denying health care to those non-coved patients who need it to allow (mostly) a few old people to live another few month at best. You are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Oh and I wasn't talking bullocks about the Cancer stuff so if you are trying to deny this you can go swivel:
Me and my wife have both already had it, it was no big deal.
I am pleased for you and your wife
By contrast, since this is a bike forum, I narrowly avoided hospital admission with hypoxia and cytokine release, and was seriously ill for about six months with persistent symptoms. I went from riding over 280 miles in 12 hours TT fitness and 400 Km/week training in February, to barely being able to walk. Now, nine months later I am maintaining 140 Watts on my rollers this week for one hour. I have no previous medical conditions and was otherwise not at any risk. It will be quite a trek back to previous fitness.
It’s not flu. I’ve had that several times too. The longest bout led to two months off from training and a resumption of racing thereafter.
I am guessing that those of you who support the thorough effing of our economy for Covid will happily contribute more in taxes and give up you homes, jobs, future healthcare, etc. if required in future to pay for the damage?
I don’t condone what we are doing to the economy in the name of Covid and have openly argued against it, so I think it’s only fair that I shouldn’t have to contribute to pay for the damage.
Since it’s a bike forum, I narrowly avoided hospital admission and was seriously ill for about six months with persistent symptoms. I went from riding over 280 miles in 12 hours TT fitness and 400 Km/week training in February, to maintaining 140 Watts on my rollers this week for one hour. I have no previous medical conditions and was otherwise not at any risk. It will be quite a trek back to previous fitness.
It’s not flu. I’ve had that several times too. The longest bout led to two months off and a resumption of racing thereafter.
I had similar after Glandular Fever. Wasn't right for 12 months. Some strange symptoms. Again no big deal, heard it's common after a serious virus but I would't expect the country to Eff itself for my benefit.
I love the absurd theory that if you ignore COVID you could carry on treating Cancer in the same manner as pre COVID.
if you are trying to deny this you can go swivel
The Cancer backlog is real... what are you proposing to enable cancer care to be ramped up beyond normal levels while also removing measures designed to stop the spread of this virus and reduce the number of people with the disease having to be in hospitals?
I am guessing that those of you who support the thorough effing of our economy for Covid will happily contribute more in taxes and give up you homes, jobs, future healthcare, etc. if required in future to pay for the damage?
Why do I need to give up my home, job abs healthcare to pay this?
I don’t condone what we are doing to the economy in the name of Covid and have openly argued against it, so I think it’s only fair that I shouldn’t have to contribute to pay for the damage.
It doesn’t work like that. There’s a lot of things the government do I don’t agree to but as I tax payer then I pay for them.
happily contribute more in taxes
As it happens, yes I do. In fact I would go so far as to propose a COVID tax, such that the net effect might be more akin to furlough levels of remuneration for all. That’s society not individuals.
As a consequence of past work, I have in fact paid a significantly higher amount of tax this year than in previous years. But that is coincidental.
I had similar after Glandular Fever. Wasn’t right for 12 months. Some strange symptoms
I never saw persistent 94% oxygen saturation when I had glandular fever! And 2018-19 was my year of Epstein Barr. This was totally different. I recovered from that to race 12hrs last year to a credible 233 miles on a trike.
Not in 2020. Maybe 2021. More likely 2022.
I love the theory that if you ignore COVID you could carry on treating Cancer in the same manner as pre COVID.
Except that's not what's happening is it. People with suspected Cancer are behind the queue for people with Covid. On the news the other day, a young dad who'd died due to being denied a prompt cancer diagnosis. By the time he got the diagnosis it was terminal. If he'd had the diagnostics when he'd requested it it would have been very treatable. This is a man of working age with young children sacrificing his life to protect someone in their 80's.
Press conference time again!
People with suspected Cancer are behind the queue for people with Covid.
Evidence of this please not a news story?
By the time he got the diagnosis it was terminal.
What are you proposing to enable diagnosis to be ramped up beyond normal levels while also removing measures designed to stop the spread of this virus and keep it away from people who may have cancer treatment planned as a result of said diagnosis?
Except that’s not what’s happening is it. People with suspected Cancer are behind the queue for people with Covid. On the news the other day, a young dad who’d died due to being denied a prompt cancer diagnosis. By the time he got the diagnosis it was terminal. If he’d had the diagnostics when he’d requested it it would have been very treatable. This is a man of working age with young children sacrificing his life to protect someone in their 80’s.
and you think if we ignore COVID things would be different ? how ?
Just so you are aware carbon rider Drac works on the front line in the NHS. Maybe not the best person to tell to MTFU.
More arse than biscuit.
I imagine corbonrider also believes in.......
Jewish banking conspiracy
earth is flat and Antartica is an ice wall
we never went to the moon
Paul McCartney died in the 60's and a doppelgänger took his place
the queen is a lizard
the Vatican rules the world
there is a paedophile conspiracy at the heart of every government
prince Philip used to drive around London in a taxi to get to paedophile parties run by the elite
Nikolai Tesla was killed because he invented a form of free energy transmitted through the air
Look into it, do you own research, its on YouTube (before they take it down)......im not a sheep etc...etc
I could go on but I've already listed the majority of what my closet mate (ex-mate) used to bang on about
Average age of Covid death is higher than the average age of death all stop. What exactly do you expect to happen to the very frail and elderly if they don’t die of Covid? That they go on and live another 5, 10 years? We are effing our economy and our children’s futures and delaying/denying health care to those non-coved patients who need it to allow (mostly) a few old people to live another few month at best.
Someone needs to learn a little more about statistics.
Whilst the average life expectancy in the UK is currently around 81.5yrs, the average life expectancy of those still alive at 80 is 89 and 90 years old respectively for men and women.
I don’t condone what we are doing to the economy in the name of Covid and have openly argued against it, so I think it’s only fair that I shouldn’t have to contribute to pay for the damage.
I'm not convinced you re really cut out for living as part of a community. Mind you there is a nice chap in charge of Brazil who might welcome you with open arms if you fancied emigrating to be amongst folk that feel the same way as you.
It was said a little earlier - there are/were no good outcomes to this situation. All were either bad or worse. The fact that pretty much every nation you could name has adopted a position on a sliding scale not dissimilar to the UK rather indicates you are pretty much out of kilter with the world opinion across the globe.
Sorry you feel so angry about life, but ultimately it's you that is in the wrong and you who with hindsight and a little maturity will be ashamed of yourself.
edit - Somafunk, I don't think so - he's not a conspiracy theorist. I'd say he's a market forces are always right, survival of the fittest blue blooded toryboy.
new sign to be placed at the entrance of A&E "We are no longer treating respiratory disorders"
Certainly in the first wave cancer care suffered badly, but it's not a conscious decision to put other illneses behind covid
The pressure on the NHS is at every level, fro.
M GP referals (as I believe was the issue in the case you recommended) to pathology
The NHS is overstretched on a good day, urgent cancer ops get cancelled every week due to lack of ITU beds or staff shortages, well before covid came along
The Cancer backlog is real… what are you proposing to enable cancer care to be ramped up beyond normal levels while also removing measures designed to stop the spread of this virus and reduce the number of people with the disease having to be in hospitals?
You really don't have a clue do you what's really been going on?
Go on...
What are you proposing we do differently?
I'm listening...
Certainly in the first wave cancer care suffered badly, but it’s not a conscious decision to put other illneses behind covid
Yes it was, to keep capacity free for Covid, I've heard it from the horses mouth.
Me and my wife have both already had it, it was no big deal.
A colleague had if they are under 30 with no known health problems. I met them at hospital as they were admitted and I seriously thought that would be the last I seen of them. After several weeks and some wonderful treatment they recovered but still months later are building their energy up. Don’t belittle it just because you were one of the ones who were fortunate enough to not be seriously effected.
I personally know of 15 people (at the last count) that have got it, three have died. Only one of those that succumbed was over 50. 4 of those infected are under 30 and suffering issues afterwards, commonly called Long Covid. Anyone who says this is No Big Deal for younger people is talking bollocks.
Still waiting on the evidence covid patients are being put before cancer patients.
Go on…
It's all out there if you look outside your narrow field of vision.
You really don’t have a clue do you what’s really been going on?
And there we have it, the one statement regurgitated by every conspiracy theorist that they alone have uncovered the truth.
Well done, you've just filled the conspiracy bullshit bingo card, go through the red door to collect your prize
It’s all out there if you look outside your narrow field of vision.
Go on show us the way.
I personally know of 15 people (at the last count) that have got it, three have died. Only one of those that succumbed was over 50. 4 of those infected are under 30 and suffering issues afterwards, commonly called Long Covid. Anyone who says this is No Big Deal for younger people is talking bollocks.
Then you are a huge statistical outlier, or you are the one talking utter bollocks.
the one statement regurgitated by every conspiracy theorist that they alone have uncovered the truth.
The favoured phrase is 'do your own research'.
It’s all out there if you look outside your narrow field of vision.
No... what are you proposing we do differently?
Spell it out, you might find people agree.
That oughta do it. Deep State Censorship incoming, I fear.
By the time he got the diagnosis it was terminal. If he’d had the diagnostics when he’d requested it it would have been very treatable.
Perhaps you’d like to dig deeper into the information. If you look at diagnosis of “soft tissue sarcoma”, you will find that diagnosis is far from trial and fraught with misdiagnosis. It’s a terrible disease, and one I worked on a while back (pazopanib trial).
Missed diagnosis for sarcoma are, sadly not uncommon. Treatment options other than surgery are poor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31129726/
I’d you are interested. An absence of a functioning HDU/ITU availability due to being full of COVID patients, would not have helped with any surgical options.
Sorry to see that. Was enjoying the show. Seems that insult took him over the edge.
Boxing Day to be announced as start of nationwide tier4 lockdown by Hancock at 1500, or would Boris come out of the fridge to tell us good news like that?