Let's hope Boris ain't a supercarrier eh!!
That there Queen is knocking on a bit and what with the weekly meetings...
His brother works in the “nuclear police” (whateverTF that is).
Armed units that guard Nuclear power stations and the like.
Must be an odd job, they’re all highly trained Firearms officers but they arrest about 10 people a year collectively.
They’ve been told to expect supply chain shortages by the end of the week.
On the one hand I’m nervous of this. On the other Mrs K went to a full CostCo yesterday, Sainsbury’s today with pasta, bog roll and hand wash empty then earlier popped into Lidl to get some ham for Jnr lunch tomorrow and said the place looked like it’d been stripped by burglars.
Like others we’ve got food for a week and an Ocado slot booked for next Wednesday but after that...?
Oh and yes, Police and NHS workers, even fire and armed forces can expect to be redeployed where needed.
One of my wife’s colleagues was redeployed from District Nursing to screening prisoners for TB so the usual screening nurses can move to Coronavirus screening, which she was delighted about.
AEA police are indeed an odd lot. Only police force who all carry automatic weapons. Mate of mine was with them for several years. Spent A LOT of time in the gym. Most eventful things he had to deal with were doggers in the visitor centre car park and an errant vending machine that would steal from small children in said visitor centre. He went properly, completely, potty.
Interesting news from Denmark. This afternoon SAS weren’t refunding flights if they were wholly within Scandinavia. I suspect (hope) that’ll change tonight as I’ve got a flight from Oslo on Tuesday I’d like my cash back for. Hotel in Tromsø is being intransigent with a non-refundable booking. Guy from Expedia said they’ll probably come round, given the situation, but best wait until Monday itself. Waiting time to speak to Expedia was 40mins today. Even their automated call back system was struggling. My crazy Slovenian colleague is still planning to travel up on Monday. He’s proposing to travel in a disposable boiler suit and mask.
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Need a laugh.
Not really a football follower but the Reina comment made me laugh.
From a friend in Denmark,
Denmark is being "shut down" for the next two weeks to slow the spread of CORVID-19. I was in the supermarket when the news hit, and all of a sudden, literal hordes of people came pouring in, filling shopping carts and baskets... It was like a scene from World War Z! Glad the government is taking it seriously after witnessing the collapse of the entire healthcare sector in northern Italy.
Thousands of Spanish football fans have travelled from coronavirus-hit Madrid to the UK for a football game in Liverpool tonight. Madrid has parts on lockdown and are not allowed to gather on mass there, yet they can fly here.. congregate with thousands of other people and then fly home.
WTF.
Seems like way too much complacency about the spread of C-19 and potential to slow this down.
Good example is my mother. 65, with COPD caused by 50 years of smoking. Today she was shopping in the local supermarket. Says she isn’t ill, isn’t going to get it, that it’s all been blown out of proportion and she’ll be fine. Bloody unbelievable.
Unbelievable. Imagine a fully grown adult being able to understand government advice and following the position to continue normal life whilst we are in the contain phase. It may well be she is going to spend quite a while out of circulation in a few weeks time once the advice changes - so might as well get on with life now.
I'm currently hoping the Premier League gets cancelled and Liverpool have to go another year without the title.
Just watching news at 10.
Apparently in the UK, those who are diagnosed are having potential people they may have spread it to traced.
Any of them who are high risk cases due to age etc are being told to self isolate for 14 days.
For those that are deemed low risk, as in it shouldn't impact their health, have no restrictions or advice to isolate.
That seems mad??? Even if they're low risk from getting seriously ill, they could be spreading it everywhere???
What needs to be in this cross party legislation on Friday? I’d have thought the government had all the laws needed to deal with all this already, no?
Apparently a cabinet member may have it not saying who it is ( I think Raab)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51845861
Apparently in the UK, those who are diagnosed are having potential people they may have spread it to traced.
Any of them who are high risk cases due to age etc are being told to self isolate for 14 days.
For those that are deemed low risk, as in it shouldn’t impact their health, have no restrictions or advice to isolate.
That seems mad??? Even if they’re low risk from getting seriously ill, they could be spreading it everywhere???
Yeah I suggest you read this
https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/02/20/what-is-self-isolation-and-why-is-it-important/
Unbelievable. Imagine a fully grown adult being able to understand government advice and following the position to continue normal life whilst we are in the contain phase. It may well be she is going to spend quite a while out of circulation in a few weeks time once the advice changes – so might as well get on with life now.
+1 Totally agree with this.
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If you have COPD and are a decent age, you’d be wise to reduce exposure to others now, rather than wait for this government to say you should change your behaviour.
But Raab is the minister for karate, that's not a cabinet position
you’d be wise to reduce exposure to others now, rather than wait for this government to say you should change your behaviour.
Exactly. Basic bloody common sense. I had hoped otherwise but I think it’s clear now that the govt are more worried about the economic impact than the health impacts. The complacency and incompetence is shocking. Keep calm and carry on as bloody usual. Then no doubt empty words of regret at those who die.
Interesting to compare whether early shutdowns in countries like Denmark & Ukraine will work better than UK.
If the plan is to flatten the curve, I'm not sure how letting the tube stay open & allowing mass gatherings like Cheltenham races, clubs etc stay open, when the virus is already circulating makes much sense.
I'm no epidemiologist tho, obvs
Apparently many patients initially appear ill but not too bad but their blood oxygen is going through the floor...Then bad stuff happens.
God forbid I need it for my mother but I had a finger clip blood oxygen level monitor arrive from Amazon today.
Figuring that if I need to decide between stay at home and see (don't really want to go to hospital with her, potentially, when the nhs is overwhelmed) or no, she needs to go to hospital NOW the oxygen level monitor will inform my decision a bit.
Praying I don't need it.
Exactly. Basic bloody common sense. I had hoped otherwise but I think it’s clear now that the govt are more worried about the economic impact than the health impacts. The complacency and incompetence is shocking. Keep calm and carry on as bloody usual. Then no doubt empty words of regret at those who die.
But there has to be a "happy" medium. Life needs to continue, and if you instil panic then that just induces panic buying as mentioned on other threads. Yes, we need to be aware and vigilant and isolate vulnerable family members, but consequently, we can't just stay indoors ad infinitum.
Well, if I needed a reason to continue working from home for a little longer and not going back to the office (share the same lift as those going to 71)...
We are lucky that most people here would report this and obviously then take the consequences of the going to a quarantine area or self isolating.
But there has to be a “happy” medium. Life needs to continue, and if you instil panic then that just induces panic buying as mentioned on other threads.
If you have a condition that puts you at high risk if you catch this, reducing your exposure to others at this time is simply exercising caution, not panicking.
As for the idiots panic buying pasta and the like… I doubt it has seriously effected a single person’s eating plans yet. “Empty shelves” might make for good TV news items, but any real impact of such nonsense is low.
Yeah I suggest you read this
Yip, read it. Doesn't say the same as the news said. We rewound it and watched it 3 times as we couldn't quite believe it.
The news explicitly said only those who are high risk should self isolate. That seems utter madness and wrong advice.
Daft question, but how will the broadband infrastructure cope with all the people WFH?
I'll go from sitting in the office on STW all day, to being at home asleep, so usage will fall drastically
we can’t just stay indoors ad infinitum.
who’s talking about that? We’re talking a few weeks at most to alleviate the pressure on the health service. If we can’t suspend normal life for a month or so to get a grip on it hen there’s something seriously wrong.
If we can’t suspend normal life for a month or so to get a grip on it hen there’s something seriously wrong.
The vast majority of people wouldn’t be able to suspend life for a week, let alone for a month. The middle class comforts that many on STW enjoy are but a dream for those whom live payday to payday. Going a week without pay, and that is the reality for many, would cripple them.
The benefits of middle class employment, pay for “working from home”, doesn’t extend to the plebs on the factory floor, the cleaners, the trades, the technicians, the workers. They get sod all if they don’t turn up. I’m “middle management” and it’s been explicitly said I’ll be with the plebs, I am a pleb when I comes to us and them.
Without be conceited, I’ll be OK for a while, but there is the backbone of the country that won’t be.
Turns out the conference i went to (in central london) for 3 days last week, with <1,000 other folks, now has at least 2 confirmed cases in the audience. Whoops.
The vast majority of people wouldn’t be able to suspend life for a week, let alone for a month.
Well the alternative is a complete collapse of the health system, hundreds of thousands if not millions infected and tens of thousands, or more, of deaths. And much more punitive and drastic action down the line. Or we can act now instead of hiding our heads in the sand.
Trump bans all travel from Europe (except UK) to US for 30 days, effective Friday.
Will be looking to Congress for legislation to provide financial support for workers.
Then out came the usual boasting - strong economy, great job creation numbers, banks fully capitalised, ability to withstand pressure; this is only a short term concern etc.
Why can't he just keep it simple - and relevant and factual.
Trump announcement came 10 minutes before my flight was due to depart San Francisco, cue huge mass panic as word spread through the passengers, still on the ground 30 minutes later as pretty much an entire plane load ups and leaves. Lots of confused Americans debating whether Ireland is part of the UK (aer Lingus flight).
From CNN.
Tom Hanks infected: The two-time Academy Award winning actor says he and his wife, actress Rita Wilson, have been diagnosed with coronavirus. In a statement posted to Instagram, Hanks said the two were traveling in Australia when they were tested.
https://twitter.com/legendaryenergy/status/1237920294423023621?s=21
Ha ****ing hah you prick, i guess being fit, young and healthy will mean he’ll recover without serious issues but what about the folk he’s transmitted the virus 🦠 onto?,
Trump bans all travel from Europe (except UK) to US for 30 days,
You never know with Trump if it's deliberate or not. Given the US seems to have a massive hidden virus problem he's potentially sending us more problems.
So PSG vs Dortmund was played behind closed doors last night, to a avoid a big crowd of folk getting together.
Except a lot of the fans turned up and watched the game on their phones outside the stadium. 🤦
This is why we can’t have nice things.
I think I could cope with 2 weeks of self isolation with that lass in the Gov.uk advert
We are looking at otential shutdown at work , and that will have a massive impact on me as i need to not be at home all day as its dragging me down to dispair ( builders being twunts ) issues
I understand that the virus remains ‘live’ for up to 72hrs. Ie an infected person could touch a handle leaving traces of the virus. 71 hrs later you could touch that handle and still get infected.
1/2 the people who have the virus show NO symptoms.
That last one is the worrying one. You may be at low risk, but what about when you visit your elderly relative and pass it on without even knowing you have had it?
Wash your hands regularly, don’t touch your faces!
Some of the emergency planning that is going on at the minute is for some quite scary impacts on our health service. We have an ageing, high risk population who could be taking up our acute beds, not leaving much capacity for the younger population who need a bed after they have a car accident, or fall off a ladder, so younger people may not feel they are at risk, but indirectly they are very much so
@CalD ugh, that’s made me realise my flight in a month is the same, stops in Ireland on the way. My partner lives in the USA. Global pandemic was not a factor we’d anticipated in our long distance relationship. I can be here with my kids, but away from him, or with him but away from my kids - neither has any appeal. Suddenly, closing the distance has become all the more important...oh, but wait, we’re moving to a points based immigration system. We could get married and have our own kids and still not be allowed to live in the same country 🤦♀️.
That Trump travel ban is properly mental and lacking in any logic. As expected from him.
EDIT: Ah, just worked it out. He has golf courses in the UK and Ireland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51836898
This is quite a good article about South Korea showing that it can be contained to an extent without going to the extremes that China went to.
Is it just me or does everyone seem like they're massively overreacting? If 1/2 have no symptoms and death rate is less than 4% of those infected, why is the global economy shutting down? Is it the threat it poses to health systems alone? For SARS, I was hidden away in some mountains and the whole thing passed me by - wasn't it worse than Convid-19 yet entire countries were not locked down?
What's remarkable about this situation is how potent and effective an actual biological weapon would be in pulling the plug on what we all thought was this economic model too well-greased to stop. Imagine you had something like the Coronavirus but it killed its host within 48 hours. Imagine the panic then and how the entire system would just grind to a halt.
Lastly, is anyone not incredulous about the zero discussion on how these viruses (SARS, etc.) begin and spread? Because basically certain countries want to eat cheap meat products instead of just eating some tofu or whatever, and now the global economy is ****ed. Imagine the sanctions which would be placed on country which purposely spread something like this, but when it does it through being incompetent/careless, virtually nothing is said about it.
Is it just me
Increasingly, yes.
Imagine you had something like the Coronavirus but it killed its host within 48 hours.
or better still something that you catch that shows no symptoms for nearly a week that you can still transmit to other people but then hits you like a 10 ton bus.
