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A bloke with better connections to what the thinking is in the inner circles of the govt than an epidemioligist maybe
Don't forget your tinfoil hat when you go out
I wonder if those people who are obliged to walk down stairs in their H and S gone mad offices are still duly following the same rule and walking up and down the stairs with hand contact on the banister at all times
You and a few hundred potential carriers rubbing your sweaty mits together
Also, those extrapolated infection numbers also seem iffy. Surely if you you remove huge swaves of the populace the distancing has an effect, and as the numbers ramp up a great deal more will hibernate to avoid catching anything, increasing distancing again and lowering cross contamination.
Loads of people fall and hurt themselves on the stairs.
Watching BBC World News… they’re going through each country one by one detailing the restrictions they are putting in place. The contrast with the UK is stark.
Surely if you you remove huge swaves of the populace the distancing has an effect,
Didn’t we have a referendum on this very topic?
🤷♂️🤪
A bloke with better connections to what the thinking is in the inner circles of the govt than an epidemioligist maybe?
About as likely as Samantha Flower being a bloke.
Well the NHS is gearing up.
Local Hospital is booting anyone who can walk and doesn’t need a machine to live.
A couple of GP surgeries are closing their doors in favour of Telephone appointments.
Both sends everything rolling downhill to district nurses. My Wife’s former team already has 480 calls booked for Monday, that’s before the bulk of hospital patients are sent home. There’s 5 of them, about 100 calls each... they usually do between 6-8 a day.
This weird little bit of nonsense is still ongoing:
bridgen
Please can we add this word to the swear filter?
Denmark is now closing its borders to non-Danes without purpose to enter from tomorrow.
Chinese are blaming the US, claiming the virus came from US Bio-warfare lab -
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078
Interesting read - to summarise, it says that the evidence is that there are several strains of the virus and Wuhan has but one, yet all strains have been found in the US, therefore indicating that was the origin. The background is that the US conducted a 'military games' event in Wuhan in October last year, where staff from said weapons facility 'toured' the city. First cases were detected in November 2019, with one patient having no connection to the 'wet market'.
^^^^
More like “it is too much bother and too embarrassing to put our own house in order, so let’s take a cheap shot at the Great Satan to feed a nationalist narrative at home”.
Turns out that other countries play these games too. Who’d have thunk it.
yet all strains have been found in the US, therefore indicating that was the origin
Utter bullshit.
Source is junk, ignore:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky
Utter bullshit.
Indeed.
Interesting read
If you have half a brain, possibly
You can dismiss anything as bullshit, but you ought to say why. I'm just interested in facts.
"The inspection also found the lab systematically failed to implement safety procedures with lapses such as propping open a door while biohazard waste was removed"
https://www.salon.com/2019/12/07/the-army-quietly-re-opens-its-infamous-germ-warfare-lab_partner
"America’s main biological warfare lab has been ordered to stop all research into the deadliest viruses and pathogens over fears contaminated waste could leak out of the facility." (August 9th, 2020).
The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in the capital of Hubei Province in Wuhan, China. Over 109 nations took part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games
A lot of that checks out, not sure about the variant strains. The US Nuclear program had all sorts of accidents over the history and it is simply astonishing nothing ever came of it. Then you've got a biological warfare facility which was closed for incompetence and had its license revoked two months before a pandemic erupts and people think do not think that is worth investigating?
You can dismiss anything as bullshit, but you ought to say why
Sorry, I thought I was clear enough.
Thanks for the intelligent contribution.
Not sure the USA conspiracy works out, just because they screwed up so badly intially trying to use their 'made in the usa' test rejecting the euro made ones that actually worked !
I'm sure I'll get banned soon, but I'm losing patience. If you seriously believe any of that shite you've linked to, I'm not convinced you'd recognize an intelligent contribution of it kicked you in the nuts. I can only hope you posted it for a joke?
I wonder if those people who are obliged to walk down stairs in their H and S gone mad offices are still duly following the same rule and walking up and down the stairs with hand contact on the banister at all times
You and a few hundred potential carriers rubbing your sweaty mits together
Over 600 people die every year in England and Wales falling down stairs, aye, H and S gone mad...
And if they wash their hands, it's not an issue.
I have no idea what a swave is. 😂
I'm sorry you're so upset by it. I can delete it if you want?
I have no idea what a swave is
Similar to a swathe....
A lot of that checks out, not sure about the variant strains.
That’s how conspiracies work they have some facts but surrounded utter bullshit.
I’m sorry you’re so upset by it. I can delete it if you want?
It'll make you look less silly, so maybe a good plan
Thank goodness for that simulation 'Event 201' last October...
if it wasn't for the likes of Bill Gates and the John Hopkins Centre
(who besides the simulation, are also doing the global real time mapping of this most horrific of outbreaks), we'd likely be in a far worse situation than we are.
Just wish our government would take this all more seriously, as thanks to Trump's decision to keep transport links between the UK and US open (perhaps to encourage future trade deals?) our great nation becomes all the more vulnerable by the second!!
As long as you're feeling OK about things Twodogs, I'm okay too 🙂
That’s how conspiracies work they have some facts but surrounded utter bullshit.
I guess a US military research lab for biological weapons closed down for being ****less/incompetent two months before a global pandemic isn't worth mentioning at all then.
BBC News - Coronavirus: Why is the UK not shutting schools like other countries?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51874084
bigmountainscotland
Memberthanks to Trump’s decision to keep transport links between the UK and US open (perhaps to encourage future trade deals?) our great nation becomes all the more vulnerable by the second!!
Nope. The virus is well and truly out in the UK population, international travel might bring in some more carriers but the actual spreading is now being done almost entirely by people that are already here.
I guess a US military research lab for biological weapons closed down for being ****less/incompetent two months before a global pandemic isn’t worth mentioning at all then.
Pretty much that yes.
Wow, ok then.
Nope. The virus is well and truly out in the UK population, international travel might bring in some more carriers but the actual spreading is now being done almost entirely by people that are already here.
Phew, that's reassuring, I'll reduce my level of panic accordingly!!
For the love of dog, can one of the mods please ban me for a bit? I can't break my morbid fascination with the utter ****wits and tinfoil hat brigade on here
"Computer simulations indicate the UK is in the early stages of its epidemic which is expected to rise sharply in four weeks and peak in 10 and 14 weeks' time."
This sounds like seriously bad news.
TwoDogs, this is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in on the Where's the coronavirus we're all going to die conspiracy threat, and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes...
Thank goodness, sense at last, especially excited by the emergency laws!!
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1238593854842044419
I see Johnson is beginning to realise that the British public don’t want to be guinea pigs in his experiment. He makes Donald Trump look competent.
Wonder if the emergency laws against mass gatherings will apply to Her Majesty's Government...
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1238595177402576896
Something something Scotland leads...
TwoDogs, this is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in on the Where’s the coronavirus we’re all going to die conspiracy threat, and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes…
You make jivehoney look sane..
Most secondary schools have far more than 500 in attendance.
Most secondary schools have far more than 500 in attendance.
Most secondary schools don't have a police presence.
Most secondary schools have far more than 500 in attendance.
Most secondary schools don’t have a police presence.
Ah, sorry I missed that reason for the ban.
You make jivehoney look sane..
You haven't noticed his resurgence then? I'd ban him again if it weren't for the fact that this is literally a conspiracy theory thread. All other criticisms aside I can't complain that he's off-topic.
Covered in this thread wasn't it...
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/hsbc-pulling-out-of-british-cycling/
Wrong mountain Cougar 😉
Has Johnson made this U-turn due to public pressure or are things moving quicker than they'd hoped?
Seems legit, surprised the general populace hasn't been begging for such sensible measures all along to be honest:
https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1238604787702259723
I think they have realised that, even if their policy is correct, they are beginning to look stupid as more and more organisations take the decisions for them. It is important that the public has confidence in the decisions being made so it doesn’t really leave them with much option.
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For the love of dog, can one of the mods please ban me for a bit? I can’t break my morbid fascination with the utter ****wits and tinfoil hat brigade on here
What stunning insight do you have on the situation? Or are you just going to snipe from the sidelines like a petulant child?
I see the emergency powers stay in effect for 2 years?
Could come in handy.
This is quite interesting...
What stunning insight do you have on the situation?
Why should he have to leap a higher bar than anyone else? Frankly, the days of insight on any STW political thread are long gone, sadly in many ways. Nowadays it is just a load of people shouting out of their windows in response to Howard Beale.
the days of insight on any STW political thread
If only you’d had the insight to realise it’s not a political thread. Jeez, the dimness around here...
BBC News – Coronavirus: Why is the UK not shutting schools like other countries?
Remember when the BBC had journalists? Questioning ones? That’s just blind parroting of the line from number 10. Let’s see what went into these “computer models”… garbage in…
Wonder if the emergency laws against mass gatherings will apply to Her Majesty’s Government…
The government is only a few hundred strong*, and the whole of Parliament very rarely sits at the same time. Pairings could easily be arranged if need be.
[* a quick Google suggests 141 members in May’s last government]
It's really not, this is almost like a dress rehearsal for when we get a really nasty infection, and we as *the human race are failing spectacularly.
If only you’d had the insight to realise it’s not a political thread. Jeez, the dimness around here…
It needn't be, but it is.
EDIT: But to be honest it doesn't bother me either way, life has always been too short to worry about STW and it may be shorter than we ever envisaged, sadly for all.
Government is coordinating a national fight against an adversary that is likely to kill many.
Some at the top of this fight have spent a few years slinging mud at the political class (though being part of it themselves) and painting government and experts as being opposed to the peoples best interests.
I think it's hugely naive to think the government can now count on unanimous support in this thread or elsewhere.
Seeds sown don't always grow the way you wish them too.
If only we were all wise enough to agree with whatever mefty says 😉
As for not shutting schools, covid mortality rate in kids is virtually 0, are they planning to build up herd immunity numbers there?
Thnig about the herd immunity plan is that it has to be more or less ubiquitous across UK, otherwise pockets will experience flare ups
Wife & I had tickets to go clubbing next weekend in London (our first time in 3 years - desperate attempt to reclaim our youth) club night was still on according to their Facebook page today, but they've limited numbers to 1000 (I think based on france & others capping at 1000?)
We'd booked it all ages ago
Luckily I'd opted to pay extra for cancellation insurance on hotel, but club say there will be no refunds
Anyway, I'm off to watch World War Z. Bloody great film from a time when pandemics were largely a fantasy scenario for fiction.😁
Tweet below explains where Johnson takes his Coronavirus advice from, I’ve only had quick browse through but it seems pretty scientific to me
https://twitter.com/adamjkucharski/status/1238418007824764930?s=21
Will trump say thanks for this help from China?
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487535-chinese-billionaire-to-send-us-500000-coronavirus-test-kits-1-million-face
Thanks Somafunk, I read that earlier, it’s about epidemic modelling in general, not about the models that the government have used for current decisions (about delaying distancing measures to prevent fatigue in the public towards them) that appear to be at odds with WHO statements and actions of other governments worldwide to act early to restrict and delay spread.
If only we were all wise enough to agree with whatever mefty says
I haven't really said anything. I posted up some links to background information, pointed out a bloke was a woman and unlikely to be on the inside and said it is was a bit rich having a go at someone who wasn't adding greatly to the font of human knowledge. I've been semi detached from this site for yonks - came to the conclusion it is a waste of my life. Still read it to see how weird the world is but not interested in engaging.
Anyway, I’m off to watch World War Z. Bloody great film
I know some nonsense has been said already but this is just taking the piss somewhat. Have a word with yourself then read the book.
Lol, funny you should say that. I've just ordered it after watching the film.
CNN reporting that France has 800 new infections in a day.
Anyway, I’m off to watch World War Z. Bloody great film from a time when pandemics were largely a fantasy scenario for fiction.😁
What’s the correct watch order?
World War Z
Contagion
The Road?
Has Johnson made this U-turn due to public pressure or are things moving quicker than they’d hoped?
I’d go with moving quicker than they’d hoped. The Government/Matt Hancock last week suggested locking down/quarantine measures are an option for large urban areas so pretty much nothing is off the cards. If that’s the case It looks like a question of when to do it, and when should it happen and with how much notice to stem the flow of those trying to beat the restrictions.
From Independent.
It is well known in behavioural psychology circles that people are far more likely to keep to rules they have set for themselves than those that are imposed on them from the top down, so deploying Johnson to instil the required levels of blind panic by telling everyone there's no need to panic is truly a stroke of genius.
@Drac that would seem to be about the size of it. Based on it doesn't seem to have been covered in the media. Surprised there doesn't seem to be any collation of information of where the outbreaks of self isolation are. Or even if there is a large isolation cluster if a few sample tests are being done.
What’s the correct watch order?
World War Z
Contagion
The Road?
And read Station Eleven
https://g.co/kgs/CcBqoE
Or perhaps not.
What’s the correct watch order?
World War Z
Contagion
The Road?And read Station Eleven
https://g.co/kgs/CcBqoE
Or perhaps not.
Snowpiercer - just for the social niceties
The Dark Knight Rises
Keeping it on conspiracy topic, Cumms loves a media reference and is basing his whole response based on watching this film.
Some at the top of this fight have spent a few years slinging mud at the political class (though being part of it themselves) and painting government and experts as being opposed to the peoples best interests.
I think it’s hugely naive to think the government can now count on unanimous support in this thread or elsewhere.
Seeds sown don’t always grow the way you wish them too.
A million times this.
People opposed to Joris and his rabble know he is a liar and despise him for it. And they don’t trust him.
Many people who support Joris and his rabble know he is a liar and like him for his “bending the rules to get things done” bullshit. They like him. They don’t trust him.
Along comes something that requires many things, but probably the main one is trust. If anyone is seriously surprised that public trust is already shown to be lacking then they are naive.
You cannot undermine trust, lie and disseminate fake news to get where you are then expect people to trust you when the shit hits the fan.
This is going to be a long haul, but when things get back on an even keel (which they will), then I sincerely hope there is a day of reckoning for the likes of Joris, Trump et al.
Just read the opening book of "The Stand". I may have mentioned this pages ago.
@Drac that meme is great.
TBH I'm more worried about my trip to Dartmoor in May being ****ed up by travel restrictions than catching the bloody thing.
So since this thread is the "Where’s the coronavirus we’re all going to die conspiracy thread?" I'm going to wade in with one...
*utter baseless nonsense to follow *
So the reason we're not following WHO advice is that the WHO say this is still containable and our lot don't.
So far so obvious but...
It's all about funding. Up until this year most people in the UK and I'd wager the West will have thought the WHO were an ageing rock band. This whole corona thing has brought them to the fore.
Institutions, government departments and NGOs are, if nothing else, wonderful at justifying their own existence.
Keeping this contained, on going and in the news indefinitely keeps the WHO relevant, pushes up their profile, ensures better and continued funding.
Once this goes endemic they have to wait for the next major pandemic to come along.
MERS, SARS and Ebola came and went, high mortality meant and effective measures were absolutely imperative so they put them in place and the WHO disappeared from our screens very quickly. Corona on the other hand is the perfect opportunity, infectious enough, mortality just high enough to be scary, low enough to not actually be civilisation ending.
Now this is global, if they can keep it controlled, they never get eclipsed again so it's in their interests to see it continue indefinitely, flaring up here and there, killing a few tens of thousands every month or two to keep them in the news.
On the other side or own advisors think endemic is the way to go, possibly most effective but more importantly most likely to ensure their own prominence and therefore budgets in the future by keeping the WHO off screens and (directly) out of the ears of ministers, reducing it to the status of seasonal flu.
Government claims that there is an evidence base for its plan. Having seen its actions develop over the last week, I'm not convinced it is robust, and not simply being selectively applied.
When your actions are an outlier to pretty much every other country working with the same evidence, questions are inevitable.
The 'short sharp shock' to aim for herd immunity is most definitely not the way to go, unless the government has privately conceded that there is no way they can prepare the NHS even for a flattened curve.
The whole thing has the whiff of Cummings and 'Get Coronavirus Done' about it, and I can't shake the suspicion, irrational or otherwise, that the longer-term desire not to deviate from Brexit policy is influencing our response.
Editor of The Lancet not holding back:
https://twitter.com/richardhorton1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/status/1238157609129181188