Right; I’m going to have to submit myself to some highly experimental immunotherapy research this evening now. It’s for the good of humanity. (Also it was really cheap in Lidl today for some reason...)
(Also it was really cheap in Lidl today for some reason…)
Turns out the "Killer viral ad campaign" hasn't impacted sales as they expected so they've got an excess production.
The opportunity to contain this here went weeks ago
Might be time for the government to be a bit more honest about the level of disruption this is going to cause. Even on the officially sanctioned model we're in it until mid summer. 2 weeks at most until the next step up the biosecurity and then around 9 weeks at that or increasing levels.
What I fail to grasp is why is Italy getting hit so hard?
Demographic /environmental?
Or are they just better at testing or simply being more honest?
They are not particularly hard hit compared to us. They are just running two weeks ahead.
I call bullshit about only 9000 folks in Italy having it. That would mean only 0.015% of the population have it, yet how many cases in the UK are linked to Italy.
Researchers now saying no evidence of transmission via asymptomatic carriers. I also remain unconvinced about that one!
I call bullshit...
There’s undoubtedly an awful lot of it about. Some well meaning, some because; PANIC!?!1!, and some malicious troublemaking or cover upping.
The challenge is to interpret sense from the noise; good luck with that. It’s going to be years before we reach consensus on what we are living through right now.
I call bullshit about only 9000 folks in Italy having it.
I for one am much comforted by that.
On the other hand, the Beeb say...
... Italy has been the European country worst hit by coronavirus so far, with over 7,000 confirmed cases and more than 450 deaths.
Is it a church communion thing ? Catholic types drinking from the cup of christ the lord our corona distributer/? Then the same cup ( of viruses ) gets topped up with communion wine and handed to the next sucker
IANAGB btw so supposion on my part
As for the claim that there are 'only' c500 cases in the US - bullshittery of the highest order.
German media reporting that all of Italy is in lock down!
Israil apparently forcing any one coming into the country into self quarantine apparently
India too. Two weeks (self) quarantine to anyone arriving into country.
My sister and her family are stuck out there with 240 kids at an international school. Lots of the parents work elsewhere across Asia, two weeks of quarantine = no Easter break as exams are too soon after plus they don't want to risk spreading illness.
I'm kind of surprised they've not closed the UK yet. It can't be long in coming
Reading the report of that Italian doctor makes me shudder. Our heads are firmly in the sand, and it’s coming our way.
Die italienische Regierung weitet die Sperrungen und Einschränkungen der Bewegungsfreiheit wegen der Coronavirus-Krise auf das ganze Land aus. Etwa 60 Millionen Menschen sind von den Maßnahmen betroffen.
The Italian government extends the restrictions on freedom of movement to cover the whole country because of the corona virus. Around 60 people are affected by the measures.
Think it's planned for December Weeksy?
I’m kind of surprised they’ve not closed the UK yet. It can’t be long in coming
Wouldn't hold your breath. The UK government and authorities appear to be absolutely clueless.
https://twitter.com/TonyPaxton_/status/1237057395169337344?s=19
Is it a church communion thing ? Catholic types drinking from the cup of christ the lord our corona distributer/? Then the same cup ( of viruses ) gets topped up with communion wine and handed to the next sucker
There is no evidence so far that the trend in Italy is any worse than any other country, catholic or otherwise.
I don't think this particular virus needs much help from the almighty.
As for restrictive measures to reduce and spread the peak, timing is everything. Too soon, and the thing will pop right back up in a few months, too late, and the NHS will be overwhelmed. Hopefully someone a bit brighter than Matt Hancock is doing the modelling right now.
I’m kind of surprised they’ve not closed the UK yet.
That would be a pointless exercise now, and probably has been for a couple of weeks. The spreaders are no longer visitors or returnees.
People in Germany have been advised to self quarantine if coming back from Italy for the last week or more.
Wouldn’t hold your breath. The UK government and authorities appear to be absolutely clueless
I find that hard to believe, there's a lot of very educated people in this country, I can only assume some of them are in power at some levels? There's a gazillion doctors, loads of scientists etc. Surely the top bods are being asked their opinions and being listened to?
I’ve had a stinking cold all weekend, strong headaches, sore throat too but temp has been below 37.1
Unless you’ve been in contact with a confirmed case, close contact of others who have or from a high risk area then isolation is still classes as not necessary. However, if you’re thinking it’s not worth it and I’ll do the meeting remotely then go with that.
Italy’s first confirmed case was the same time as the U.K. they went into to lock down in northern areas but it still spread. The U.K. it hasn’t spread as fast, they’ll be a mixture of reasons why.
There’s a gazillion doctors, loads of scientists etc. Surely the top bods are being asked their opinions and being listened to?
Indeed they are it’s advisors who make the decision not the government themselves.
I saw a report easier stating Italy has the "L" variant of the virus (whatever that is).
There must be a move to playing sporting fixtures behind closed doors or cancelling. The pee, the pie and the pint problem where people rush in a slightly inebriated state to get a few things done in a short break isnt going to help basic biosecurity.
Yes come to London, but bring some toilet roll as the muppets have bought it all!
Italy admitting to hospital 50% of cases.
10% need ICU beds.
They are overwhelmed even though they have more ICU beds per capita than us.
The young going out and about socialising are not being hit hard by the virus but they are actively spreading it to the vulnerable apparently.
Nicked from ITV news.
Before the world economy hits the deck and before many smaller companies go under, is there an argument that we should just accept that a few people are going to die a few years earlier than they would have done otherwise.
Just within the event industry there are lots of companies feeling the pinch and are worried about all the cancellations of trade fairs and the like.
I think the economic effects of this will be greater than x thousand premature deaths.
is there an argument that we should just accept that a few people are going to die a few years earlier than they would have done otherwise.
So you advocate a policy of random euthanasia? Good luck selling that. How do you think the over-60s and their relatives are going to react if they think they're being sacrificed to save money? Much as I want Boris to fail I'm not sure that's a price worth paying.
I think the economic effects of this will be greater than x thousand premature deaths.
I’m not sure my brother in his 30s who is highly vulnerable will agree with your suggestion.
Italy admitting to hospital 50% of cases.
That can't be correct..unless of course the number of cases far exceeds 7000. Or they have a strain far nastier than anywhere else.
Italy has 2nd oldest population in world after Japan, and not enough spare hospital beds, which seems to be important for treating & containing, China were able to create 1000s of extra beds eventually.
It's why we are boned in the UK
I’m not sure my brother in his 30s who is highly vulnerable will agree with your suggestion.
I'm sure your brother won't be the only one who would raise concerns.
Both the GF and I have elderly parents.
But, I've been sat at home for three weeks now without any sign of work on the horizon. I'm fortunate that I've got a bit saved and am dipping into that contingency now, but friends of mine are not so fortunate.
@Drac - thanks
As an aside, I work for a US company and the California guys seem to be panicking about the cruise ship about to dock in Oakland for quarantine
But, I’ve been sat at home for three weeks now without any sign of work on the horizon. I’m fortunate that I’ve got a bit saved and am dipping into that contingency now, but friends of mine are not so fortunate.
I’m not sure euthanasia will get you back to work any quicker. The economy will recover death is permanent.
The young going out and about socialising are not being hit hard by the virus but they are actively spreading it to the vulnerable apparently.
A benefit to being an introvert then. Pass the TV remote.
I just think there will be far more people seriously inconvenienced or worse lose their livelihoods than there will be deaths from the virus.
Why try and hold back the inevitable?
Give it a rest will you.
👍 😘
So, alpin, what's your bright idea?
Do nothing and virus becomes endemic with (probably) higher number of deaths; how will that improve your work situation?
Specialists - experts - work to develop and implement control measures; develop treatment/antidote; better or worse for your situation than doing nothing?
Covid-19 is out there - everywhere - and probably close to you.
What number of deaths would improve your situation - 5% of population? 15%? 25%?
Do you have a particular age group in mind?
You rate inconvenience or loss of livelihood more seriously than others dying?
By your flawed logic, there should have been no attempts develop vaccines for, let's say, smallpox or influenza.
If you want to post about economic effects, there is another thread which has more of a focus on stocks, shares, business, supply chains.
But, I’ve been sat at home for three weeks now without any sign of work on the horizon. I’m fortunate that I’ve got a bit saved and am dipping into that contingency now, but friends of mine are not so fortunate.
I'll tell you who your friends are more fortunate than however...the 3500 odd folks that have already died from this virus
And given its not just old folks that die from it, you may be singing a different tune if you get infected.
alpin - georgemoinboit's graph, paints the picture that they are trying to achieve.* The area above the line potentially die needlessly.
We aren't talking about a few dozen lives saved if they can achieve the objective, its potentially thousands. Moreover by spreading people over time when facilities can cope there is more prospect that sick people suffer less, and those who do die will be sedated rather than suffering for days.
I think you are a chippy? Bound to be a need for those skills if things develop badly - coffins, isolation areas, temporary morgues.
If I were you though, I wouldn't be worried about this years' trade shows - I'd be worried that people realise they can do without the massive cost, biosecurity risk and environmental impact and decide to use alternatives from now on...
* the graph is a gross simplification. What you would hope to do is increase the capacity so that the healthcare capacity line is a growing not level threshold; but get it wrong and it will be a declining one as your staff get sick. But it also suggests the healthcare system has capacity for something like 1/3rd of the "do nothing" peak demand - that's probably deluded; its more like an order of magnitude change in peak height that is needed. The graph also ignores the impact on other patients in the healthcare system - if you get cancer this spring your prospects may be rather different than they would have been.
True. Can't argue with any of that.
However, once you're dead, you're dead.
If I were to catch it then so be it. Meh.
Just had my first virus experience, with my 83 year old dad as he was taken into the a and e at the one London hospital with a death so far, weak breathing, low heart rate etc. Strangely I had a waiting room all to myself for the first three hours until the plague test came back ok, which focused my mind a bit. Lots of safety kit being worn by the nurses and docs but they were still a credit to the Nhs in the way they dealt with things (as were the ambulance crew).
Awful stuff kilo.
Hope the care he receives will get him on the road to recovery pronto.
Hope he recovers soon Kilo.
