Well, I was wrong about trusting people to wear masks properly. After seeing a clip of passengers and staff at Man airport preparing for fights, there were quite a few with masks off their nose, touching their masks continuously and fiddling with them.
Wash hands thoroughly,
Get a mask that fits properly and DON'T touch it until you can safely dispose of it (or better still get a re-usable mask that can be washed at 60), when it's safe to take off.
Then wash hands thoroughly once again.
It is believed that the City of Bradford and boroughs in London, including Brent and Harrow, could be the next to lockdown
So putting an arbitrary lines along streets in a metropolis like London, without any reliable testing and any actual enforcement is going to achieve......what?
This was a balls up from the moment we didn't lockdown early and properly. Without a proper test, track and trace, this is all basically a waste of time.
So this means that the infection area circumference will be pushed out by that 5-10 miles every time. They’ll then lockdown that area, those people then drive the 5-10 miles to the next towns etc, etc.
Yep, and I live 5-10 miles outside Leicester's 'naughty boy lockdown line', so all the peckerheads are heading in my direction. Leicester is c.600,000. If 1% are peckerheads (it is more) then that is 6,000 people who are going to tunnel under the wall* to go for a pint in surrounding villages and towns. Then we're locked down for two weeks, despite the fact that the damage has already been done and a further 5-10 miles gets locked down next time.
*Drive down a totally open and unpatrolled road.
Too little, too late, and not done properly. The English covid response perfectly illustrated.
Then we’re locked down for two weeks, despite the fact that the damage has already been done and a further 5-10 miles gets locked down next time.
Leicester is pretty much bang in the middle of England. how many weeks before this creeping wall of misery encompasses us all?
The idea is return to level 4 for the city? Then level 3 for the buffer zone? Being overly cautious I'd want be seeing atleast 10miles at level 3. Then County / regional - movement restrictions on top of that. Stressing of biosecurity nationally and really ramming that message home locally. That said, seeing as this was seen as a high case area 8 days ago I'm thinking it's already too late.
It is amazing the government have a list of areas and a risk and an alert scale but don't seem to be using it. County level might be too broad and district / borough level is better.
Germany is looking at making lockdowns a more local thing than the existing district/borough approach. I watch in near dismay as they iterate through their post-national lockdown phase, improving their response style each time, and compare it to the UK, currently looking for its arse with both hands.
Well, as Derbyshire is on the Daily Express List of Doom I shall look forward to an imminent announcement.
Not forgetting that thousands of people should be alive now, or in far better health, but are not, through political choice. And thousands more will have their fate sealed in the upcoming months. A poltical choice.
That is nothing new. An NHS with unlimited funding would be able to give better treatment and better support to a wide range of physical and mental health conditions. There is a political decision regarding how much money to give the NHS which ultimately means thousands die or live in misery every year. This year its being reported on the news, most years those people just suffer quietly waiting for treatment that may never come.
Currently - these people die of this novel Coronavirus even with the best medical care available to them. We can not save them just by “supercharging” the NHS. We need to keep the virus away from people ‘till we know enough to save more lives when people get the virus, or have ways of stopping people transmitting/catching the virus. This medical emergency is precisely because the virus is “new”. So this is new.
I’m with you on NHS funding, and the political decisions around them, but we are currently at the stage with this virus that actions need to happen outside the NHS to save lives.
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The idea is return to level 4 for the city? Then level 3 for the buffer zone? Being overly cautious I’d want be seeing atleast 10miles at level 3. Then County / regional – movement restrictions on top of that. Stressing of biosecurity nationally and really ramming that message home locally. That said, seeing as this was seen as a high case area 8 days ago I’m thinking it’s already too late.
It doesn't fell like there's any idea. As far as I can tell, there's a map that's been produced with a red line around the city and some of the county. Within that line, non-essential shops closed yesterday, school's close tomorrow and none of the of the 4th July relaxations are happening. On top of this, it's been 'recommended' that no non essential travel is taken. No idea on exercise, meeting people etc. it's just not been communicated.
This was said to be for two weeks, which in theroy started yesterday but I read today that it'll be reviewed on the 18th, pretty much 3 weeks. To me, due to my lifestyle and work, it feels pretty much like I'm back at the 23rd March for another 3 weeks.
Where I live, is within the Charnwood Borough, same as dannyh, about half a mile inside the red line.
So the US has bought up the entire world supply of Remdesivir
I hope this doesn’t lead to countries being secretive about promising new treatments for fear of the US buying up all the stock.
Bugger Bedford and Central beds are nice and inside the top 30.
Personally we didn't really ever release lockdown but don't think we will have a choice shortly
BBC have now published a story saying that the lists are fake news and can’t be taken in isolation to predict where a lockdown might occur...which is interesting seeing as they were quick to jump on the story earlier with claims of where the next lockdowns might occur.
And all this would be avoidable if the government actually published all the data
Now Sky are saying there's over 150 places on the new Lockdown list? I mean seriously, this is just a second lockdown/wave isn't it?
Now Sky are saying there’s over 150 places on the new Lockdown list
No they're not, that list in that article is just the top 150 ordered by cases per 100000 in the last 7 days
And it’s not a second wave… it’s the long tail of the first wave that we haven’t finished the job of seeing off.
Do you know I’ve got some weirdness with my eye / contact lenses. I think I need to stop reading the news until it goes away :-/
mudmuncher
MemberI hope this doesn’t lead to countries being secretive about promising new treatments for fear of the US buying up all the stock.
I hope it leads to every country with a pharma industry selling them sugar tablets for a fortune.
So the US has bought up the entire world supply of Remdesivir
It has a generic. If I was a government in Europe I'd just buy that and invite Gilead and the USA to swivel if they kick up a fuss over the patent law.
Speaking of America, looks like its out of control
https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1278472369045032960?s=20
4th July weekend as well
All those graphs are going up, except deaths are going down. Why is that?
Is it just that deaths lag behind the other indicators? Can't be that because the peak in the deaths graph matches up with the timing of the peaks in the other graphs
The key thing there is that hospitalisations are up
Which ruins trump's claim it's all down to extra testing
Grim
Hopefully things are moving along with the app…
https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/01/germany_helping_uk_contact_tracing_app/
If we're doing things like Germany, they have a cut-off of 50 cases per 100k for lockdowns
Then we'd have 6 regions locked down
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1278403041100738561?s=19
Those stats aren't terribly helpful in table form because they combine regions and subsets of regions in one list. 🙄
This won’t come as a surprise, but the PHE datasets for NHS cases and deaths are not broken down in the same way as the ONS data - (which is nation, country, upper tier local authority, lower tier local authority). Some NHS trusts may be in the North East, but. Fall in NHS North East etc... Honestly you couldn’t make it up.
So merging pillar 1 and pillar 2 data (when it comes) by authority is nontrivial. Anyway I have yet to see the data but the ONS LTLA data for hospitals showed the same effect in the East Midlands and has for some time.
The key thing there is that hospitalisations are up
The per-state graphs were quite enlightening, it simply looks like the first wave of infection is still sweeping across the continent.
As TiReD has repeatedly pointed out, looking at numbers for a country the size of the US may not be that helpful, the "unit of infection" is much smaller.
The US can be viewed in the same way as the whole of the EU. Think of NY State as Italy. Now add all those countries/states together...
The effect of later importation is a time delay in exponential growth. The epidemic spread is muted for the later countries/states due to earlier lockdown (in theory), but releasing all at the same time will not have the same effect everywhere. Sounds obvious when you say it. The net effect is a longer flatter peak in the epidemic. EU started within about three weeks of each other, probably from a common event (skiing holiday). The US may have had multiple importations or with country spread.
A one size fits all can’t be the answer though in a country that size. Possibly not in the U.K. either. Epidemics are stabilised to local extinction by movements across borders. Be it in a hospital (Ward to ward), a town (home to school), a county (commuting, goods distribution), a country or a continent.
The genie is out of the bottle.
Kryton57
Do you know I’ve got some weirdness with my eye / contact lenses. I think I need to stop reading the news until it goes away :-/
Pop the family in the car and drive to Barnard Castle... soon sort that out.
Never mind Barnard Castle. Think bigger. How about Greece?
https://twitter.com/TomEPPayne/status/1278594574986944512?s=20
Face coverings mandatory in shops as of next week in Scotland. Makes sense.
Yep, think that's necessary- still probably no more than a quarter of people wearing them when I've been in the shops, it seems to be soemthing Scotland's not "got"
Aye, I'd say even less then that here, and lots of them not covering their nostrils. 🙈
Guy on the train today (into London), no mask & left a pile of tissues on the table when he got off
Well dressed elder gentleman too fwiw
A lot of people haven't got it
A friend of mine works in a supermarket - she has some hilarious stories about what people wear on their faces - esp older people for some reason, who maybe can't see well enough what they have fished out of the pants drawer.
I keep one in my bag just in case (mask, not pants) I am asked to put in on in a shop.
I have been in one shop since they re-opened and I asked the woman working there - she said she tried a mask but it got so hot and hard to breath.
Wearing a mask but pulled down below the nose is also quite popular.
I'm usually the only mask-wearer when I'm shopping. Compulsion can't come soon enough.
No social distancing for under 11s either.
Never mind Barnard Castle. Think bigger. How about Greece?
"Covid proofing my villa"
That's a cracker.
5 mile restriction on movement to stay in place for covid cluster in Dumfries & Galloway
What is the ****ing point of opening up scotland to every rancid covid infected **** south of the border to move freely around scotland whilst dropping the virus around to all and sundry?.
As far as i know my home town of Kirkcudbright has been entirely covid free so far (small town so news travels fast and no one knows of any cases) but there is an alarming amount of tourists already arriving and walking aimlessly about in the area now that restrictions are to be lifted, from zero waiting in queue to access the wee supermarket last week to queue's of 10/20 folk the past couple of days.
Grrr...time to stand outside the town with a big sign stating **** off back home.
Mrs Sturgeon also asked people not to cross the border to visit pubs in England at the weekend! Fair one I think.
@somafink I know the feeling. Langholm is still under the "old" rules, and only a few miles from us. Fortunately we're too far south of the tweed to be attractive to those heading there. But i can see us being sandwiched between two lockdown areas and so for ease also locked down.
I'm hoping things improve in D&G as i was hoping to catch up with some pals from KBT Academy at the end of July but we're all waiting to see.
As far as i know my home town of Kirkcudbright has been entirely covid free so far (small town so news travels fast and no one knows of any cases)
I wouldn't rely on the jungle drums. I've heard the same said about other small towns where cases have, indeed, been detected.
Are we seeing an atypical virus evolution.... easier to catch but less lethal ?
