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Is there any UK capacity coming online to produce these vaccines and if so anyone got an idea of timelines?
We need enough Pfizer to do a second dose at 6-12 weeks on the extra people we gave a first dose because of the change in regime. No idea if that's guaranteed at all, especially given their manufacturing issues.
Is there any UK capacity coming online to produce these vaccines and if so anyone got an idea of timelines?
The az vaccine is already manufactured in the UK (as well as in europe)
dunno what the official strategy is but PHE have said it's OK - I guess it's better than not getting a 2nd dose of anything?Yup – but are we doing mixed doses now?
The UK is fast becoming the international hub for population-based Phase 3 trials, so why not?
Yup – but are we doing mixed doses now?
dunno what the official strategy is but PHE have said it’s OK
Since when?
dunno what the official strategy is but PHE have said it’s OK
I doubt it as the vaccines from different suppliers work in different ways, so you cant just mix and match.
Link?
I doubt it as the vaccines from different suppliers work in different ways, so you cant just mix and match.
Link?
They said it was ok in certain very limited scenarios, not just as a matter of course for anyone.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n12
Meanwhile down here in East Devon still no request to come for a first jab.
(Just trying to force the laws of synchronicity like when I complained to Peoples Energy about my rebate only for my snotogram to pass there notification somewhere in the ether)
In other news is the AZ/Oxford/BMGF deal a story?
Interesting explanation here
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-08-25/rather-than-give-away-its-covid-vaccine-oxford-makes-deal-with-drugmaker
Quick question, lateral flow tests for me at school. If I have just had covid will this just come back positive no matter what?
Just had to do a polite F off message on my buisness Facebook messenger to someone who took offence and a photo of at the "no mask - no entry" sign on the door.....
After 2min of internet digging I found out that they live an hour and a half drive away in a different county - would cirtainly have had to drive here and put them out of the stay local boundary.....
In other news is the AZ/Oxford/BMGF deal a story?
I don't think so, the "smoking gun" is Bill Gates suggesting that linking up with a large manufacturer would be a good idea.
Price for developing nations is at cost EUR 2.50
No, sorry fella.
Don't be sorry guys... I pretty much know it's coming, but there's going to be a bit of an emotional sting and a bit of a financial sting too potentially.
the “smoking gun” is Bill Gates suggesting that linking up with a large manufacturer would be a good idea.
Even if Oxford released their vaccine free via "open source", you'd still need someone with the accredited facilities to manufacture it.
And who has those facilities to manufacture these vaccines at scale?
(Pfizer, GSK, AstraZeneca, etc...)
The deal that Oxford did was the most pragmatic solution.
my (limited) understanding is that this tests whether you are currently infectious (not whether you've had it or for antibodies etc) - which you hopefully aren't by now?Quick question, lateral flow tests for me at school. If I have just had covid will this just come back positive no matter what?
I doubt it as the vaccines from different suppliers work in different ways, so you cant just mix and match.
Ideally the second dose should be the same as the first - but if that's absolutely not possible then mixing doses is OK as they achieve the same goal.
I find the rioting in Holland very worrying and hope it doesn't spread anywhere else
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55810229
>100,000 jeez shocking.
^ ^ and as I wrote that I just discovered a childhood friend has just died of it.
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my (limited) understanding is that this tests whether you are currently infectious (not whether you’ve had it or for antibodies etc) – which you hopefully aren’t by now?
That sounds good, thanks
Boris Johnson says he takes full responsibility- so when will he resign?
Resign? I'd prefer a firing squad for him and his idiotic cabinet of cronies.
^ ^ and as I wrote that I just discovered a childhood friend has just died of it.
Sorry to hear that mate.
In my little bubble near Didcot I only personally know a few people (<20) with it and nobody who had it bad or died. I have a feeling that situation won't continue.
I have to say hearing Boris say "we've done and are doing all we can" over Covid is incredibly insulting.
Current situation being that we have a more transmissible variant of the virus, that is more deadly and yet we have a less strict lockdown than before. The sad outcome of that equation is more and more deaths.
Johnson should resign.
we have a more transmissible variant of the virus, that is more deadly and yet we have a less strict lockdown than before
Is it less strict?
Thought it was the same but the population are not as keen on observing it.
I have to say hearing Boris say “we’ve done and are doing all we can” over Covid is incredibly insulting.
Including the promoting of shaking hands and talking about the UK not hiding from the pandemic but leaping like superman from a phone box. Never mind Cummings and the was it wasn't it real immunity by mass infection plan.
@sharkbait - this lockdown is not as strict as v1 in March. Lots more kids in school, lots more keyworkers (Inc Brexit workers), a nasty Kent variant plus people fed-up etc etc
It's a shit show and a lot of it was predictable
Whilst it's a bit shi*t to say the least about the EU and the potential disruption of the vaccine to the UK...
...I can't help but think that if we were still members and running short we would be going batsh*t crazy in the UK if the papers made us aware that a significant amount of it were going to say, Turkey.
That said, my mum is waiting on the second jab (many weeks before the 12 weeks are up thankfully) so I'm definitely worried.
If he were to resign, who would replace him and would they be any better in reality
None of them inspire confidence, most have puppet masters pulling strings, its still the good ole boys club network of rich toffs feeding off the masses
How he can stand there, straight faced and blatantly lie, we've done all we could, is beyond belief
this lockdown is not as strict as v1 in March
Barely any difference that I can see but happy to be corrected.
Big difference is that people are less happy to stay at home because of lockdown fatigue and/or the concept that the vaccine will make it all good.... Which it may but it will take longer than generally envisaged.
Is there any UK capacity coming online to produce these vaccines and if so anyone got an idea of timelines?
They are building this on the same site I work on:
https://www.harwellcampus.com/news/vmic-fast-tracked-and-scaled-up-in-fight-against-covid19/
Building it has been accelerated so that it comes online a year early.
It must be easy building there at the moment, as I haven't been to work for almost a year and neither have most people who work on the campus.
I have to say hearing Boris say “we’ve done and are doing all we can” over Covid is incredibly insulting.
Very much this. I know there are separate threads on the subject, but why the opposition aren't pointing out the deaths and economic damage the government's failures have caused, I don't know.
this lockdown is not as strict as v1 in March
Lots more people being told it's their job or their kids.... Far fewer people being furloughed. Everyone in my area at least, seems to still be working, bar the odd hair dresser.
@nerd Hi mate, Have they got the 544 cycle route back on the old route yet?
Thanks for that Mefty.
this lockdown is not as strict as v1 in March
You really can't compare them even the gov' and the advisors have said so. Less people on furlough, take away places open, and mixing outside of your household all be it outside and with 1 person. It's like comparing banana and strawberries, yes they are both fruit but totally different.
More is known about the virus and what is and isn't "covid safe."
BBC non too subtle in the choice of PM pic...
I'm currently watching BBC2 "54 Days: China and the Pandemic"
It's very sobering. Catch it on iPlayer if you can.
BJ looks like utter cr@p these days. Hope he's ok.
^^ I honestly think he is getting sh*t faced every night. I doubt he feels much real remorse, I just think he never foresaw Premiership as being like this.
Perhaps I'm being overly harsh, I don't know?
I think sometime should pop round and put him out of our misery, maybe with a baseball bat
The severity of this second wave was so avoidable. We all knew it was coming, people wanted a lockdown in October, people knew Christmas shouldn't happen, anyone with a basic understanding of human nature would have known this latest lockdown needs to be harsher to offset lockdown fatigue. None of it is a surprise, nor i suppose is the government's criminal response.
I'd like to see Johnson's head on a spike.
Watching the Beeb now.... Don't think they got the memo about not criticising government Covid policy...
Hope he’s ok.
Nope, I hope he's ****in suffering. His laissez faire attitude to the likes of Cobra meetings early last year is unforgivable.
There is no doubt the response has been bungled, although I could, in principle, forgive some errors in what is obviously difficult situation, however, they moved heaven and earth to save Cummings last year putting their own political interest above public health. I say that because of the wrong message that it sent to the general public. This told me all I needed to know about this shabby regime.
Bit off topic but im hearing more and more noise both from and about the CRG. Sounds a little similar to the ERG...
I give you the...
The Covid Recovery Group.
Tl;dr Brexit Tory nutters become Covid Tory nutters.
More is known about the virus and what is and isn’t “covid safe.”
Whilst that may be true, the inescapable fact is that close contact with other people is the main way to spread the virus. And for various reasons there is more of that going on than during the first lockdown.
BJ looks like utter cr@p these days. Hope he’s ok.
He has the blood of tens of thousands of people on his hands. I cannot feel any sympathy for the lying philandering charlatan.
sorry wrong thread but that comment made me very angry
Hurrah!
Made it home from Guyana this time. 10 days isolation at home, as seafarers exemption from it no allowed now.
Ironically, its me who is probably most at risk. I've come off a covid free ship, through a routing system that keeps away from other people (almost!) Until we arrive at LHR. Our flight out of Guyana is a charter for just us, airport emptied of other travellers before were allowed in. Strict mask and gloves all the time.
Next trip rotation? Let's wait and see if the first two weeks of my precious leave gets spent in a hotel....
Is my thinking wrong?
As the majority of deaths are in the 70+ bracket, and by mid Feb they will all* be vaccinated, deaths will drop very quickly this time compared to the last wave.
*maybe....
I think that is the hope yes. I really hope it is correct.
I’m also hopeful that the government warnings of woe & doom are because they’ve realised that just hoping for the best is a crap tactic, rather than the fact that we really are doomed!!!
Agreed, I think Johnson has finally learned that overpromising is dangerous as it reduces trust & compliance
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Hurrah!
Glad to see you back safe and sound. Have you returned a tanned Adonis after hitting the onboard gym hard?
Excellent article in the Independent summarising the inexcusable failures of our so called government.
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Those last 2 posts have ensured that I go to bed tonight with a raised blood pressure.😐
**** this government.
Anyone got any critique of Airfinity? Seem to have punted out a bunch of - Countries X and Y will achieve herd immunity by date Z
That Independent article is utterly damning and should be used to slap Boris round the head. Repeatedly.
If Starmer doesn't MTFU and start to do it on our behalf soon, the chance to change the political narrative for the next generation will be lost.
If Starmer doesn’t MTFU and start to do it on our behalf soon, the chance to change the political narrative for the next generation will be lost.
Indeed, although there is probably a further damning Boris compilation showing him mocking and ridiculing Starmer about imposition of any further restrictions.
people knew Christmas shouldn’t happen
Yet its estimated 44% still went ahead with their plans to have the family round. Virtually everyone I know had family round.
We didn't.
On the bright side, cases have dropped significantly over the last week or two. 20K yesterday. The xmas mixing surge passing and lockdown lite having an effect. Admissions starting to drop too. 20K seemed like a disaster in Novemeber, now its hopeful progress.
By the end of March I could see most of the 9 priority groups vaccinated (I'm group 9, 50+), so about 30 million people, frankly itching to get back to "normal".
The biggest risk to the remaining population as they crawl out from under the bus is then long covid.
Yet its estimated 44% still went ahead with their plans to have the family round. Virtually everyone I know had family round.
We didn’t.
Tbf most people I know had a much smaller and quieter xmas, I'm surprised it was as high as 44%
Can't think where they might have got that bright idea to go ahead with it though
As the majority of deaths are in the 70+ bracket, and by mid Feb they will all* be vaccinated, deaths will drop very quickly this time compared to the last wave.
that would be nice, but
UK deaths likely to come down slowly, Whitty warns
I guess even if the 70+ vaccinated crowd are dying less, there will still be high occupancy in NHS for younger groups on ventilators.
If we 'open up' again the cases could go high in non-vaccinated groups.. 1000% infections in (still susceptible) groups that have 10% of the hospitalisation rate still means the same overall levels of hospitalisation.
and this is what we are up against in this country; a media that lionises ****tery, the anger stoking algorithms of twitter and facebook, the whole fake news thing.
BJ looks like utter cr@p these days. Hope he’s ok.
He has the blood of tens of thousands of people on his hands. I cannot feel any sympathy for the lying philandering charlatan.
sorry wrong thread but that comment made me very angry
I've got no sympathy for him - he's a lying chancer who is unfit for the job.
So many mistakes from the early days which were repeated time and time again..
Not showing up to COBRA meetings, too late into first lockdown, not closing borders, sticking by Dominic Cummings (which killed public support for restrictions) dodgy contracts to mates and people linked to the party, over-optimistic promises time and time again. Not sacking Gavin Williamson last summer, too slow with second lockdown (should have started it to coincide with half-term) total chaos over Christmas, total chaos over School closures at Christmas - then re-opening for one day.. the list is endless.
Boris Johnson should resign.
By the end of March I could see most of the 9 priority groups vaccinated (I’m group 9, 50+), so about 30 million people, frankly itching to get back to “normal”.
The biggest risk to the remaining population as they crawl out from under the bus is then long covid.
I'm not sure that's right at all
The problem is that the unvaccinated population are a huge reservoir for new strains to emerge, which Might be able to evade the vaccine
Its why scientists are very reluctant to talk about relaxing restrictions
And certainly we need proper border restrictions, because other countries with less advanced programmes will also be a problem
I fear that too much emphasis / people thinking that the vaccine is a magic bullet, and people's understanding of how it works, their behaviour and the questionable time lag for the 2nd dose means that its going to be about 50% (at best) as effective as it could have been. There are a small number (but probably enough to have an impact) that believe they have istant immunity and that they and everyone they come in to contact with can return to normal. I fear a huge some of money lost, a shortgae of vaccinations for the rest of the world and that we'll be in the same situation in a years time, with the same inept Government running the show.
The BBC have massively turned on Boris today. If he resigned who the heck would want the job.
Boris Johnson should resign.
Well, yes, but who the hell will we end up with then? All the healthy brains have been ejected from the Conservative Party.
It's clear he's looking for an 'out' though. Perhaps when the first tranche of vaccination is completed, he'll cite health reasons and **** off.
total chaos over School closures at Christmas – then re-opening for one day..
Don't forget he was insisting schools were safe the day before he closed them. He must have know he was lying.
Well, yes, but who the hell will we end up with then?
God forgive me... but Hunt.
As the majority of deaths are in the 70+ bracket, and by mid Feb they will all* be vaccinated, deaths will drop very quickly this time compared to the last wave.
I would we cautious about seeing any significant improvement in total deaths from the vaccine.
I posted a few pages back that the reductions in morbidity from the vaccine could be offset by increases in cases for the 70+, as they reintroduce themselves back into society post vaccination.
We need a National unity government, throw all of the Cabinet in the sea, kick out the rabid ERG/CRG etc.
Then put all the remaining adults in one room and let them find a working cross party cabinet (this could be a Gordian knot though)