A bit like the towering intellect of Trump tweeted, more testing equals more cases.
Last week when I stated a 2nd wave would be on its way the response was..
Which can only be based on your own fear or irrationalness, rather than any worldwide data.
I'd like to think it's far more down to basic common sense. When we locked down the virus was no more prevelant than it is now. But whilst before we locked down, now we are planning to reopen everything, bin the 2 meter rule, and pander to shouty pub chain owners who are putting profit above safety.
If there isn't a second spike I will eat my hat..it may not be quite as bad as first spike as we'll lock down sooner and folks are taking more precautions anyway, however its definitly coming, and anyone that cant see that has their head in the sand.
Agreed TP. What concerns me is that if/where there are flare-ups I don't trust the figures we are given and therefore the guidance is almost irrelevant.
stevextc - it's been reported that the incidence of CV19 in meat processing plants is due to the working environment being damp and cold which, apparently, is conducive to viral spread.
...environment being damp and cold which, apparently, is conducive to viral spread.
I am not looking forward to the next Scottish Winter.
I suspect the main reason we have not had a second wave spike in deaths is because a lot of people have been getting a good topup of their Vitamin D levels throughout most of the lockdown in name only, especially in England where Doris Cumston has been far too eager to open things back up again.
By and large, there has been a crazy amount of sunny, non-perstistant rainy days since late March.
Sufficient Vit D levels won't stop people from catching Covid-19, but it makes the consequences of becoming infected less serious, which is especially great news for the elderly and "ethnic minorities" (albeit the women of some religious groups may still be at high risk if very little of their skin is being exposed to the sun and they aren't taking Vit D supplements).
I think it's going to be all about long term immunity and how much of the population are carrying the virus once the sun strength drops around September, along with our international border policy.
tpbiker, apologies if I came across arsey in that, must've been crabbit that day! 🙁
I feel we're in a different situation up here, ScotGov aren't in the same rush to get pubs and haircuts sorted, our number are going the right way quicker than rUK, though not as quickly as NI, so I base judgements on whats happening here rather than where you are.
I don't see any huge 2nd waves anywhere else, smaller outbreaks as expected in some countries, I guess I'm maybe hoping as much as expecting. Fingers crossed.
stevextc – it’s been reported that the incidence of CV19 in meat processing plants is due to the working environment being damp and cold which, apparently, is conducive to viral spread.
Well, yes hence why they were tested but that doesn't mean focusing on some other trades might not reveal not too dissimilar numbers?
There are some other things to consider too, meat plants tend to have loud machinery, employees having to shout close to each other to be heard, and at the risk of being shot down, the folk I see walking to the Halls plant in town are either not very smart looking, or are out their tits.
Boris’s big reunion bash is on then 🙂
Can't quite get the logic that it's okay to open a pub, but not a gym. Pissed up folk are obviously easier to keep apart than folk looking to get a bit fitter, who knew?.
I feel we’re in a different situation up here, ScotGov aren’t in the same rush to get pubs and haircuts sorted, our number are going the right way quicker than rUK, though not as quickly as NI, so I base judgements on whats happening here rather than where you are.
I'm in scotland also! And yes I have far far more confidence in the Scottish government than Boris and his chums. And for that reason any second wave I'm sure will impact england more than us.
Novac Djokovic just tested positive, which isn't a great surprise given that he was in very close proximity to the other player that got it, and made no attempt to socially distance.
I think it would actually serve as a wake up call if someone like Djokovic really gets a bad dose. Obviously I don't want the guy to die, but in some ways a very fit guy, coming down with a really bad dose of the virus having basically brought it entirely upon themselves, may make other who think they are invincible think twice about things.
It a clear if folks don't take precautions and go back to 'normal' then well be back to square one pretty quickly.
When are we going to find out the results of the Oxford trials btw?
Aye, just read about Djokovic, he's been a bit of a voice for the anti lockdown brigade with some of his comments (I didn't realise til recently he's an anti-vaxxer), he's been left looking a right tool.
I’m in scotland also!
Sorry again! 🙂
It a clear if folks don’t take precautions and go back to ‘normal’ then well be back to square one pretty quickly.
Only if they let it rip thru the population uncontrolled again.
1m is actually Pretty Much normal tbh.
I was expecting them to say the ‘m’ Word but that seems a dirty word.
Aye, just read about Djokovic, he’s been a bit of a voice for the anti lockdown brigade with some of his comments (I didn’t realise til recently he’s an anti-vaxxer), he’s been left looking a right tool.
Some of our neighbours are anti-vaxxer idiots and alternate between saying that coronavirus is all a hoax or that it is to do with 5G towers. Mind you, they also think that you can cure cancer with herbal tea and all manner of other complete bollocks. We've just been staying well clear of them while they've been totally ignoring social distancing rules for the last 3 months.
I'm hoping Darwinism does its thing in cleansing the gene pool
Don't even know how to react to today's announcements. Obviously they were teasing the 1m and I thought that was stupid enough
Opening pubs again..
Absolute madness..
I'll be avoiding pubs etc for at least another month to see how this plays out.
Though tbf, a small local village pub has hot it's distancing sorted, and an online app to book to be registered/allowed in and for ordering/payment. Think I'd trust them rather than most of the places round here
Opening pubs again..
Absolute madness..
Much as I like a pint, I won't be rushing back. We all know that the city centre pubs will be rammed from day one like it's mad friday. The virus will start to spread again quietly and efficiently as it did before and there will be an explosion in a couple of months time requiring another lockdown. All because Boris couldn't resist being the hero who re-opened the pubs. He'll be even more indecisive the second time round, and it'll be more chaotic. Like Trump, he'll do anything for a bit of good news.
No more daily briefings of misinformation after today... Thank god for that, ~13 weeks too late!
Totally agree daz.
Is it a free for all or will there be some kind of rules ie limited numbers etc?
I just don't understand why anyone thinks opening pubs is a good idea. It's the one place I'd keep shut. And if that means pubs face financial ruin then maybe the government can look at some kind of fincial package
Either way, hopefully they won't reopen in scotland, and either way I won't be going anywhere near them for a while
No more daily briefings of misinformation after today… Thank god for that, ~13 weeks too late!
Got Covid Done.
Opening pubs again..
Absolute madness..
But it’s our patriotic duty.......
From today in Parliament
Gareth Johnson, a Conservative, asks Johnson to encourage people to “do their patriotic best for Britain” and go to the pub.
I’m not keen, especially as at the nearest, because of the layout, it would be impossible to be at even 1m spacing at the very narrow entrances to both the inside and outside spaces and no possibility of one way system
Like good consumers, we can place our trust in the market to decide our fate.
Much as I like a pint, I won’t be rushing back. We all know that the city centre pubs will be rammed from day one like it’s mad friday. The virus will start to spread again quietly and efficiently as it did before and there will be an explosion in a couple of months time requiring another lockdown. All because Boris couldn’t resist being the hero who re-opened the pubs. He’ll be even more indecisive the second time round, and it’ll be more chaotic. Like Trump, he’ll do anything for a bit of good news.
This.
My FB feed has filled with local cafes saying "It's great that Boris has said we can open from 4th July, but we'll carry on as takeaway only till we can reopen safely"
Mixed feelings about the end of briefings - it exposed their utter incompetence quite nicely
Mixed feelings about the end of briefings – it exposed their utter incompetence quite nicely
The end of briefings probably coincides neatly with government policy diverging from the point where any scientist is prepared to appear to defend it.
Pubs opening will lead to ER departments getting an influx of pissed up idiots spreading the virus around hospitals - brilliant idea...well done Boris
Well I wondered how the endgame was gonna play out, pubs open and run away.
I love me a pub. Just been in one that is being refurbed as I discussed promotional material with the owner.
I will definitely go there during the week at lunchtime / mid afternoon times.
Go there at the weekend or evenings? No way. The door team are already asking some questions about how they can do their job on a Thursday/Friday/Saturday nightBecause it will get messy.
Perhaps we could just open weatherspoon pubs and thin the heard of brexit supporters?
Still at Level 3, yeah?
Can’t quite get the logic that it’s okay to open a pub, but not a gym. Pissed up folk are obviously easier to keep apart than folk looking to get a bit fitter, who knew?.
Think of all the bodily fluids from the hundreds of sweaty bodies, on every surface.
And gyms are probably just as bad.
The way I see it, yes we're at level 3. July 4th is almost 2 weeks away. By that time, I'm guessing, based on the current trend, cases will have lowered further and we'll probably be at or close to level 2.
Boris has to give the places some notice before they can open, that's a lot of places that will need to get staff back off furlough, get measures in place for cleaning/1m seperation/staff protection etc etc.
If anything changes in the next 2 weeks it can be pulled.
Too much, too fast? Maybe. Too slow and the economy gets even more buggered. Lose/lose.
He's drawing his line. Before the 4th July, he'll plot some new points just to suit it.
Guess work will want us all back in the office then. Glad I've just bought some washable fabric masks.
Queues outside pubs as people wait for a free table, likely to be socially distant on a saturday night in town?
Can’t quite get the logic that it’s okay to open a pub, but not a gym. Pissed up folk are obviously easier to keep apart than folk looking to get a bit fitter, who knew?
It's difficult to maintain social distancing of any sort in a room full of people staring at themselves in the mirror 😉
Getting rid of the virus, getting kids safely back to school, letting businesses bring people back off of furlough and working together again safely... why aren't these priorities? If the cost is the government paying the wages and forgoing the tax receipts of pubs, restaurants and other places economically dependent on social gatherings, so be it... if they think pubs and the like are being hit hard now, what will happen to them if we keep the virus tickling along in the community? A lot of people will stay away... and without financial support from the government the pubs and restaurants will be unviable.
Get rid of the virus. Stamp on any new outbreaks. Get educating. Get working. Keep furlough (at 80%) for those working in social industries. Drink at home in small groups.
1m+, 1m+ what?
A lot of people will stay away…
Some will. Those who went walking in the Peak, then to the beach, and then McD's, and then Ikea and Primark; are itching to get back to the pub.
This is a perfectly reasonable decision by the govt. They are following "the Science" (Eugenics).
Not enough of you have been infecting your grannies or infirm siblings.
The herd must be [s]culled[/s] thinned, think of the money it will save the govt in welfare/pensions costs...
Maybe I'm naive but based on their results rather than their words, this has got to be a conspiracy - surely they can't be that incompetent?
Stay safe folks, use your own judgement, it's not worth the risk.
The best thing is Johnson continually claiming our "British common sense" will keep us safe... despite the fact he was hospitalised after relying on his own common sense, and that of his cabinet members and key scientific advisors.
There is enough advice out there internationally... read it and use it in the workplace and socially... Johnson's "get things done" attitude has a poor track record, to say the least.
Getting rid of the virus, getting kids safely back to school, letting businesses bring people back off of furlough and working together again safely… why aren’t these priorities? If the cost is the government paying the wages and forgoing the tax receipts of pubs, restaurants and other places economically dependent on social gatherings, so be it… if they think pubs and the like are being hit hard now, what will happen to them if we keep the virus tickling along in the community? A lot of people will stay away… and without financial support from the government the pubs and restaurants will be unviable.
Get rid of the virus. Stamp on any new outbreaks. Get educating. Get working. Keep furlough (at 80%) for those working in social industries. Drink at home in small groups.
100% agree with this. But unfortunately we are led by utter xxxxing morons
100% agree with this. But unfortunately we are led by utter cowardly xxxxing morons
LMFTFY 😉
Ah yes, British common sense in action - shudders.
The recent sunny weather has provided vit D top-ups which are possibly helping suppress the virus.
A combination of johnson's relaxation and a few weeks of damp weather will add to the existing risk if a second wave.
I won't be modifying my behaviour anytime soon.
Watching the briefing, It is noticeable that the two advisers are being much more cautious-Boris says we will defeat the virus, Whitty says it will be with us for a very long time
On Social distancing-Boris upbeat about the metre guidance, Whitty saying it should be 2 metres unless people take the ‘plus’ part very very seriously
So that's basically a free-for-all in England for July then.
Be interesting to see how Wales and Scotland respond as the English people will be wanting to go to these places for their holidays and long breaks (while on furlough). Sounds like the perfect recipe for spreading any virus still circulating to every part of the country by the end of the summer.
Going to make my own call on this: no pubs or restaurants. Outdoor activities only. Restrict myself to seeing close family and one or two friends per 2 week period. That way I can limit my exposure to any infected people and have a small list of people to contact if I do get it. Keeping to this until September at the earliest.
The summer is going to be one big social science experiment, we now live in a petri dish.