So this is what I've just read in the media in the last 20 mins or so:
Sunak is now saying the decision over the 2m rule is one for minister, not scientists according to the Guardian.
Boris has apparently not chaired a Cobra meeting for a month.
The Lancet says the "UK response is greatest policy failure for a generation."
They're still pushing for schools to reopen despite knowing of the issues.
The figures for deaths and infections is being hidden away so that people don't get the full picture.
The whole test-and-trace scheme is still woefully under prepared to do it's job.
China had had to lock down Wuhan again after a second spike in infections.
We're one of the worst countries for controlling the virus spread, our tracking system isn't fit for purpose yet and still they're trying to push forward like we've beaten it? I know this is all so they can wind up the Furlough scheme as soon as possible but the way they're playing about we're going to have mass unemployment when the scheme ends followed possibly by a second wave and then the chaos of Brexit on top. Someone give me some positive news.
Someone give me some positive news.
I'll try, It has taken the deaths of 50,000+ citizens of this country to expose the utter ineptness of this government.
Not really good news in any way possible so i guess i've failed the "good news" test
But look on the brightside, we can all go shopping to buy shit we dont need to fill the void in our souls
Kudos for trying but we're not allowed out to non-essential shops here in Wales. I can't even turn to retail therapy!
Thankfully i live in Galloway/Scotland where it appears our politicians (apart from the few rabid tories toeing the party line) have a bit of sense, still a bloody disgrace about the deaths in care homes though.
I’ll try, It has taken the deaths of 50,000+ citizens of this country to expose the utter ineptness of this government.
If only that were true!
reluctantjumper
SubscriberWe’re one of the worst countries for controlling the virus spread, our tracking system isn’t fit for purpose yet and still they’re trying to push forward like we’ve beaten it?
It is, imo, now all about spin and nothing else. Since their actual record is absolutely indefensible, they're hoping that by just acting like they've defeated it, and that 200 deaths a day is just normal, that they can convince people that it's true. After all, that nice Mr Johnson certainly wouldn't be opening shops if coronavirus wasn't beaten, would he?
Be interesting to see how it goes with the 2m to 1m regulation.
There’s a fair few weeks to go before Independence Day but it does look like The pressures rising on this.
Anyone got any ideas On timescales of the science Vs Boris’s Big bash The Reunion.
On the Goldilocks scale 🙂
Boris's achievements are seriously staggering (!) if looked at from a global perspective:
What tyres for USA, Brazil or Russia?
There's not a single column in that chart where we come out looking good. Surely anyone with half a brain can see we're rushing into reopening far too quickly compared to everyone else?
It is, imo, now all about spin and nothing else.
100% agree, although I think everyone's suffering from fatigue from all the crap they're putting out. Some of us are looking for the truth behind it and realising it's bollocks while others are just ignoring it all and doing what they feel is right.
Be interesting to see how it goes with the 2m to 1m regulation.
The issue I've got with it is that with the 2m rule some people are taking liberties so in effect we have a 1m rule being obeyed. Same as the motorway speed limit is 70 but a lot of people barrel along at 80-90 as you rarely get told off. Reduce the rule to 1m and those people who push things will be down to being 10-20cm away in shops, on the street and you effectively have no personal space anymore. But then Boris and co won't really understand this as they all live in a Westminster bubble never really mixing with the great unwashed.
I'm currently working as a supermarket home delivery driver and all day I see people who have made massive sacrifices by staying indoors for months to not only protect themselves but their friends and family. I can genuinely be the only person some of them see and talk to all week. Plenty of us have forgone seeing friends and family for what feels like forever to get this under some sort of control and the muppets in Westminster are gambling all of that so that they look good to their donors. All the way through this they have failed to act decisively, the only time they did was in announcing the furlough support scheme, the rest has been following public opinion and pressure from big business. If a second wave happens it will destroy the country.
The issue I’ve got with it is that with the 2m rule some people are taking liberties so in effect we have a 1m rule being obeyed. Same as the motorway speed limit is 70 but a lot of people barrel along at 80-90 as you rarely get told off.
Much as I agree I think it's well beyond that. I think it's becoming increasingly binary and for a large number its simply on or off and 10%+1 (to extend the analogy) means regardless of black ice, fog/white-out and if visibility is down to 20' then they can't get snapped by a camera.
Yay its shopping time!!!
When we drop to 1m, it will effectively mean that distancing is over. The decision about when that happens should be made with the acceptance of that. We should be aiming to have a virus free population (as other countries have achieved) or numbers so low that every case can be isolated effectively, before taking that step. I predict that won’t be the case, and magic masks will be offered up as a replacement for social distancing (and any rise in cases then blamed on the population, not the advice/rules).
Yay its shopping time!!!
It's all camera angles and zoom lenses mate 🙄
Over on lockdownskeptics everyone takes comfort in the deaths/M figure being so much lower than Belgium, but in truth there are really four groups:
<100/M (exceptional, e.g. Norway)
100-300/M (good, e.g. Germany),
300-600/M (fair, e.g. Netherlands, Sweden, probably Belgium when counted the same)
>600/M (poor, e.g. U.K., Spain)
Absolute ranking is not really helpful here (unless you are a politician), but class is obvious. We've failed miserably. The real question is why.
Three months on we know that this is a serious pathogenic disease in the elderly and those with additional risk factors, but not children (who have the same infection levels as adults) or healthy adults under 65. Outside of London and the Midlands, community transmission is relatively low (about 3% have had the infection compared to 16% in London). Within the healthcare and Nursing Home community things are much more serious. Healthcare workers are about 8x more likely to have the infection than the general population and are probably the key to moving infections from these facilities back out into the communities and maintaining endemic spread. Those are the people I would be tracking and testing. Testing daily at the end of every shift with fast turnaround to infer whether isolation is needed the following day.
I am actually less concerned about the shops opening, or indeed the schools. The non-opening of schools is largely pragmatic - they won't be learning much anyway in the final weeks, the decision is economic not educational. The real issue is how to control the spread back from high prevalence to low (and yes that includes UK to other countries).
Sweden has shown what an endemic state looks like. More by accident than design.
Yay its shopping time!!!
What I don't understand is if you think it's important enough to wear a mask (as some in that pic are doing) you must have some basic understanding of the risks of the virus to both you and those around you.
So then with that knowledge, why would you think the urgent need for some new chav trainers and a tracksuit trump the need to protect your own and everybody else's health
And even if there wasn't a virus circulating, what kind of loser gets up early to travel to central london to queue for the reopening of a nike store....
Magic masks build false confidence.
Shopping is a way of life for many in the UK (and RoW), and the early queue part of the ‘experience’ for some. Riding a bike off road to the top of a hill looks like a weird pursuit to many…
What I don’t understand is if you think it’s important enough to wear a mask (as some in that pic are doing) you must have some basic understanding of the risks of the virus to both you and those around you.
So then with that knowledge, why would you think the urgent need for some new chav trainers and a tracksuit trump the need to protect your own and everybody else’s health
And even if there wasn’t a virus circulating, what kind of loser gets up early to travel to central london to queue for the reopening of a nike store….
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
What I don’t understand is if you think it’s important enough to wear a mask (as some in that pic are doing) you must have some basic understanding of the risks of the virus to both you and those around you.
So then with that knowledge, why would you think the urgent need for some new chav trainers
I think you are looking at this from the wrong end... 😉
someone said "you need these new trainers" .. they buy trainers... someone say's "you need to wear a mask to be safe" ..
When we drop to 1m, it will effectively mean that distancing is over. The decision about when that happens should be made with the acceptance of that.
erm... come-on.
First you leak announce the possibility of reducing to 1m...then AFTER the masses act and it's too late you reduce it to 1m.
Nailed it.
Yep I think so to.
@yay shopping time;
I just can't fathom why you'd want to do that?
Just back from my first pool swimming session in 3 months. 125 of us were let in to wallow in each others diluted snot. 🙂
As long as you STAYED ALERT and CONTROLLED THE VIRUS Edukator, it'll be grand.
Just back from my first pool swimming session in 3 months. 125 of us were let in to wallow in each others diluted snot. 🙂
Chlorine innit have a gargle and your fine 🙂
What I don’t understand is if you think it’s important enough to wear a mask (as some in that pic are doing) you must have some basic understanding of the risks of the virus to both you and those around you.
London - almost all of them will have been on public transport to get there.
Listening to eddie mair on lbc and heard a response from a shopper "Its fantastic to be out shopping, you dont realise what you've lost till you get back out shopping again"
Jesus christ, if all you live for is shopping then we are truly ****ed as you have no regard for 50,000+ deaths - ****ing idiots.
So Cummings has got half the population excited about being able to shop, and the other half furious that it's been allowed.
Meanwhile, deaths continue, record unemployment looms....look squirrel!
Well Good news
Isle of man
All restrictions with regards to the number of people that we are allowed to have in our homes or meet up with as a group outside are removed with immediate effect.
All pubs, clubs etc can open as from Thursday of this week without any restrictions
Bet you wish you lived on an island 🙁
Listening to eddie mair on lbc and heard a response from a shopper “Its fantastic to be out shopping, you dont realise what you’ve lost till you get back out shopping again”
I felt the same when I could go ride my bike in circles in the woods again. Some people on shopping track world would have found that rather pathetic.
Aye, Imagine some folks liking different things, eh?.
Very low death figures for the last couple of days, even allowing for a weekend.
Part of me is hoping that we really are seeing it play itself out, despite relaxations, partial school returns and general public ****tery.
Another part of me is worried this useless government is going to get away with their shoddy handling as public relief and the rush for normality wipe people's memories clean.
Why weren’t the scientists in the briefing? Because they might disagree with the Shopping policy?
Aye, agree on both counts MCTD. Starmer needs to keep his teeth into the exposed rump of the Tories about this for as long as it takes.
Jesus christ, if all you live for is shopping then we are truly * as you have no regard for 50,000+ deaths – * idiots.
Was that the audio feed from BBC news? If it’s the same woman in particular she hadn’t been under lockdown as she worked for the NHS, guess after a tough few months she welcomed a bit of normality?
(FWIW I’m not a shopper, and find the idea of it being a pastime/enjoyable an alien concept)
Part of me is hoping that we really are seeing it play itself out, despite relaxations, partial school returns and general public ****tery.
Stay Alert. Choose Life. Pop down the Shops and choose a ****ing big television...
Another part of me is worried this useless government is going to get away with their shoddy handling
Whilst the Tories handling of this has indeed been a shitshow, if the virus disappears and they take credit for that then it's a payoff I'm more than willing to accept!
I can't see that it's going away however...can't help but feel a massive second spike is on its way..
I can’t see that it’s going away however…can’t help but feel a massive second spike is on its way..
Which can only be based on your own fear or irrationalness, rather than any worldwide data.
Assuming it’s all true, isn’t this current spike In China an example of the future? It arrives, tests happen and the locality is quickly locked down?
If you have a workable test and trace system and the political will to reimpose lockdown, then yes, that's how it will work.
Assuming it’s all true, isn’t this current spike In China an example of the future? It arrives, tests happen and the locality is quickly locked down?
Absolutely. If the spike happens in the arse end of nowhere. Do you think they'd try, or manage, to lockdown London?
Chinese managed OK in a city of 11 million, Madrid/Paris/Milan all got locked down pretty effectively. It's a question of political will.