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It's definitely coming. I work in construction and I'd say 90%+ of the people on sites don't give a shit about restrictions
TL;DR -- What will the tougher restrictions be?
TL;DR — What we the tougher restrictions be?
Unless its everyone gets chained to their sofa with a time activated lock to allow us an hours exercise a day (although some will argue thats still too much time) a few people here will not be happy.
Takeaways.
Click and Collect.
Some manufacturing.
Construction.
No meeting up with anyone while outside.
Professional sport
Some of these were more restricted last March/April
a few people here will not be happy
Any chance you could stop this Joe? For the good of us all, including yourself. You’re angry with people for things they haven’t said. It must get tiring.
Any chance you could stop
Happy to you if you can explain to me why its acceptable for other to make comments like below, but not me?
your own inability to control your own actions and protect others so you could indulge yourself.
As you quoted someone, they can speak for themselves. Where as you are shouting at clouds. Discussion doesn’t work when you are claiming that “some people” won’t be happy unless we’re physically restrained in our homes. Who? What did they say that led you to jump to this?
As you quoted someone, they can speak for themselves. Where as you are shouting at clouds. Discussion doesn’t work when you are claiming that “some people” won’t be happy unless we’re physically restrained in our homes. Who? What did they say that led you to jump to this?
I dont actively participate in this thread much but I do read it, and although nobody has said word for word what Joe said, you can feel the sentiment is there.
I agree with that.
I posted that in direct response to
Some us are are weak and not as strong as you and have gone to the pub with friends
So by your own admission you are unable to control your own actions. Tryinģ to come back in a later post claiming sarcasm is a pretty pathetic attemt to back pedal.
Extra restrictions are not going to help at this stage. Apart from on here i see no appetite for the general public to restrict themselves any further.
you can feel the sentiment is there
The sentiment that people should be physically restrained in their homes? Interesting what some people read into stuff.
Say who has this “sentiment” and then they can reply, and say if they meant that, or want it, or would accept it. I one have not, do not, and would not.
So by your own admission you are unable to control your own actions. Tryinģ to come back in a later post claiming sarcasm is a pretty pathetic attemt to back pedal.
Going to the pub with friends, when allowed, or travelling for exercise when allowed is hardly lacking self control is it? Gov guidelines said it's was allowed. Saying unable to control my actions doesn't even make sense. I was in full control of my actions when I legally went to the pub.
If that is classed as a lack of self control then God help us all. I'm done.
Maybe im too soft but all this stuff sounds pretty extreme. And not a world I want to live in. The idea that people need papers to leave their house and furloughed workers are “trained up” to work for free sounds mad.
Well I don't want to live in the current world but I have no choice. We are in an extreme situation right now and that calls for extreme measures, measures that have been done in other countries already. It's far easier (and probably easier for the general public to stomach) to go to full lockdown them ease restrictions back as we can than the current mess of tiers that change every week and just confuse the crap out of everyone leading to the current apathy we have now.
Judging by the rumours coming out in the press (as usual) we're about to have tougher restrictions announced. Be far better to jump ahead a few steps now than have further restrictions announced at the end of January when the figures start to show we didn't go far enough.
Kelvin.
This winter is going to be very grim, that is already unavoidable. But it could still be far worse, most people understand that, and are doing the right thing already. More would, if they could be persuaded that their own actions really matter right now, rather than pointing at what others are doing.
I agree, we are now testing what a functioning, caring society means to most of us right now. Most people are genuinely trying to do their best as awful as all this is.
To be honest, further restrictions will make the decisions for themselves. In a worst case, current lockdown fails to limit contagion, admissions continue to rise, and healthcare takes a downward trend. At that point further restrictions will come into place naturally.
As it happens, there is some crumb of comfort that the ONS survey data and ZOE app symptoms suggest London cases may be close to peak. If admissions peak in the south east this week, that would be very encouraging.
Like speeding, people’s behaviour is most modified by likelihood of being caught. If the perceived likelihood of being infected leads to a bad outcome, people will bah be differently. Sad but true.
Extra restrictions are not going to help at this stage. Apart from on here i see no appetite for the general public to restrict themselves any further.
If extra restrictions won't help, then we really are in for a terrible time.
I know of no one actually wanting more restrictions, I know an awful lot who are resigned to it being necessary.
I know of no one actually wanting more restrictions
I know of no one actually wanting ANY restrictions. They’re shit. We hate them. We rage against them. They depress us. They limit us. They are needed, for now.
I know of no one actually wanting more restrictions, I know an awful lot who are resigned to it being necessary.
Plenty on here seem to want people to follow the guidance rather than the law. I'd say that's a lot more restrictive.
I know of no one actually wanting ANY restrictions
It's quite clear you want extra restrictions. If you truly believe they are needed then that is the same thing as 'wanting' then but dtressed up in a different way. Saying you need it but dont want it - well the outcome is the same so...
With the whole guidance/law thing, what's the legality of the covid fines? I read somewhere about Derbyshire Police up to their old trigger-happy habits and fining a couple of women for drinking coffee or something. What's the best practice with defending these? If I get slapped with one in the morning whilst putting the bin out, is it best to not provide details? Or accept it and take it to court?
Take it to court, there is absolutely zero chance of it being upheld (if it's like the two Derbyshire women that is, because they didnt break any laws).
Of course if you actually do break the law, not the guidance, then you should expect to pay the fine.
If I get slapped with one in the morning whilst putting the bin out, is it best to not provide details? Or accept it and take it to court?
putting the bins out somewhere other than outside your house is generally considered fly tipping... 😉
One in five people in England may have had coronavirus, new modelling suggests, equivalent to 12.4 million people, rising to almost one in two in some areas.
”modelling suggests”
Im sure a few on here have some comment on this.
modelling suggests”
I’ve said it many times. Infection rate is driven by the product of contact rate and probability of being susceptible. Hence tweezing apart the effects of contacts from those of immunity has been problematic and subject to dogma. Some want to believe that lockdowns have done what was anticipated (contacts), others that there was preexisting and acquired immunity (fewer susceptibles) that led to the epidemic being largely over (in October, apparently).
Well it is not over, and a new strain has amplified just how “not over”. And past immunity seems to be well-correlated with serology. So that 20% is probably a reasonable upper bound. Lower in many parts of the country, higher in parts of London and the South East. We are a long way from hers immunity.
If the new infections are mainly within the younger working population and the vaccinations are being given to the older population. Is there a chance that these two together could see cases suddenly drop and an end to this sooner than we think.
Probably just being hopeful
Another day of delivering food around the Greater Manchester area....Oldham and Rochdale were both so busy on the roads....was in City Centre to finish the evening....dead by comparison.....how the hell most of the businesses there are going to survive I'll never know.
In store lots of staff absence....and without wanting to sound like too much of a ****....a small but significant proportion of people working there don't have the intelligence to understand and adhere to the'Covid secure' guidelines.
Oh well....a day off tomorrow, then 3 days of teaching guitar remotely, at least my house is fairly 'Covid secure'!
Saying you need it but dont want it – well the outcome is the same so…
What I want doesn’t set policy, or guidance, I have no say over the outcome whatsoever.
I also don’t personally need the protection that policy and guidance seeks to provide.
I don’t want any restrictions, I can see that they are obviously required, for the sake of others.
Plenty on here seem to want people to follow the guidance rather than the law. I’d say that’s a lot more restrictive.
The thing I find most ironic, is that it is the people who think that the epidemic guidance isn’t for them that are pushing our politicians into a position where the law may need to be tightened, because of their behaviour… and they will be the people complaining loudest if that has to happen. I hope it does not come to that, it shouldn’t be necessary… the law can be a blunt tool… laws made in haste in the face of an emergency even more so.
So that 20% is probably a reasonable upper bound. Lower in many parts of the country, higher in parts of London and the South East. We are a long way from hers immunity.
Don't we know that by back calc, not needing major modelling? I'm sure I have read on here somewhere that IFR is between 0.5 and 1%
We are REPORTING 3.1M cases and 81K deaths = 2.7%
But 81K deaths means between 8.1-16.2M cases for those two rates, against a 67M population = 12-24%
the sentiment is there.
agree. it might not be how you mean to come across...
= 12-24%
12%… 20%… 24%… it doesn’t matter… new cases, hospitalisations and deaths are higher than ever. Past cases are not resulting in low enough transmission and few enough occurrences of serious disease, at this point… and proceeding, for the next few weeks, if not months, as if they won’t do soon (if ever) is required.
it might not be how you mean to come across…
There is no “sentiment” from me about physically locking people in their homes. I know they did this is China, but I never want to see it here. I haven’t seen any other poster say they want this to happen either. I am being clear enough now?
The two women in Derbyshire is all a bit fishy. The photos are copyright of one of them. Did they have a 3rd person or was it a staged photo on a timer so they could be 2m apart and looking sad?
Something doesn't quite add up and I don't mean overzealous police
At a guess, went back to get shots once they realised there was press interest in the story.
Yes I thought exactly the same about the photo.
The thing I find most ironic, is that it is the people who think that the epidemic guidance isn’t for them that are pushing our politicians into a position where the law may need to be tightened, because of their behaviour… and they will be the people complaining loudest if that has to happen. I hope it does not come to that, it shouldn’t be necessary… the law can be a blunt tool… laws made in haste in the face of an emergency even more so.
I don't think there should be restrictions, but understand that society won't accept the level of deaths I will. If further restrictions become law I'll unwillingly follow them but the public usually look to guidance to indicate what the law allows rather than reading the legislation. This governments general disregard for the law is again shown in how far away the guidance is from the actual law. If they actually wanted to pass laws through parliament (rather than use statutory instruments) they'd have no problem with the help of Labour putting the restrictions that the guidance suggests into law.
Don’t we know that by back calc, not needing major modelling? I’m sure I have read on here somewhere that IFR is between 0.5 and 1%
We are REPORTING 3.1M cases and 81K deaths = 2.7%
But 81K deaths means between 8.1-16.2M cases for those two rates, against a 67M population = 12-24%
The IFR is likely even lower. The high death rate is in part due to the release of infected patients back to care homes and lack of appropriate PPE. This will also skew the average age of death.
So you are one of those basically saying that unless it’s law, you won’t help as regards the medical emergency? That is exactly the attitude that could result in us getting rushed stupid laws to have to adhere to, rather than civilly just trying our best to follow the guidance.
The IFR is likely even lower. The high death rate is in part due to the release of infected patients back to care homes and lack of appropriate PPE. This will also skew the average age of death.
Our mistakes as regards care homes and PPE early on, as serious as they were, would only effect the IFR in this country… we can look to other countries to see that we’re not a statistical outlier.
What exactly is a “proper lockdown”
As I've said before - Melbourne/Victoria is a great example of what a "full lockdown" is - and it worked very well indeed. Can't be bothered to explain it again - it's well documented, as are lockdowns in other countries which were successful. The Melbourne one is much more interesting than NZ etc, as the virus had spread pretty widely before they instigated it, and managed to drag the city/state back from already being over the edge of the precipice.
The situation in the UK is much, much worse (obviously) - but, trying not to sound too trite about it, no further restriction is going to work unless the UK leadership can unite everybody in pursuit of the same goal. THAT is the major obstacle - the continuing failure of the UK government to engage people sufficiently towards this common goal
My Mum's neighbor (Farnham) caught it just before Christmas at a spinning class. A SPINNING CLASS! Never has an activity been better suited to spreading covid than a ****ing spinning class! Now I have no doubt that the gym was operating within the letter of the law - but even if the law allows for a spinning class to take place, why in the name of bloody hell would a gym actually run one?!? And even if your gym was running a spinning class.... why would you bloody go to it?
Having said that - I have spoken to friends who, like some on here: despite being classified as essential workers, have elected to keep their kids at home, because its the right thing to do.
If ever there was a super spreading event it’s a spinning class. Forty infections in one class in Canada!
As for guidance and law. Well Cummings hasn’t helped, but I still believe that clear instruction with reasonable communication of likely consequences will see people do the right thing. Certainly 4/5ths maybe more. People are too detached from the consequences at this point. I’ve said before, if this was Ebola, we would be locking the doors from the inside!
Anyway, a few seeds of hope in the south regarding cases and ONS prevalence. Give it a week for admissions and two for deaths to flatten and turn down. Provided we don’t go too silly. Lockdowns work. But they are not like slamming the disc brakes on your mountain bike. Think more steel rims, rubber blocks. rod connectors and raining.
If ever there was a super spreading event it’s a spinning class. Forty infections in one class in Canada!
I know - I couldn't believe it. Yes, all twenty people in the room have tested positive. It caused me to swear in front of my mother.
Well Cummings hasn’t helped, but I still believe that clear instruction with reasonable communication of likely consequences will see people do the right thing
I agree. Much like what happened at the US capitol last week was the inevitable consequence of Trump's rhetoric, I feel like the UKs current Covid situation (clinging-on by it's fingernails whist the vaccine desperately gets rolled-out) is the inevitable outcome of such poor leadership, and amongst the worst examples I can think of in terms of communication with the public. I don't have any time for people claiming "well Dominic went to Barnard Castle, so why shouldn't I do XYZ?" but that debacle was indicative of the Government's unwillingness to do something that would be even mildly inconvenient to it's own self-interest. It's now been replaced in peoples minds with the situation regarding schools - even on here you hear "what's the point while the schools are still open...?"
Agreed, if covid caused you to bleed to death through your arsehole, people wouldn't be complaining about having to forgo pilates with Janet on a Tuesday, or not being able to go to bluewater for the boxing day sales. It's the mundane ("It's just a bad flu!"), slow-rolling nature of this crisis that has lulled people into acting like it's not a full-blown emergency.
The two women in Derbyshire is all a bit fishy. The photos are copyright of one of them. Did they have a 3rd person or was it a staged photo on a timer so they could be 2m apart and looking sad?
Something doesn’t quite add up and I don’t mean overzealous police
Been my thought from the beginning there. I suspect one over reaction led to another from both sides.
It's fairly local to me. Still trying to figure out how you get to that location from 3 villages away via a Starbucks.....
Do they have Starbucks reusable cups they filled up themselves? I do. Probably mulled wine😎
Do they have Starbucks reusable cups they filled up themselves? I do. Probably mulled wine
On the list of my mild covid annoyances I can no longer use my keep cup at my local coffee shop.
Looks like tighter restrictions are on the way. All the usual papers have been briefed
What do we think then. Not allowed to meet someone else for exercise, support bubbles gone?
I assumed that photo was staged for the press after the actual incident.
Also assume it was a re-useable cup, who would pay good money for pepper mint tea! 😉
Not allowed to meet someone else for exercise, support bubbles gone?
I'd say so, mask to be worn in more outdoor settings too.
The thing is though, it's not going to make a dent in infections is it? They're stopping things where there is almost no spread, but do have an impact on mental health. Feels like there's other things to go after. And I'm not sure how they'll police it anyway.
Strictly defining (and therefore limiting) who can send kids to school would be a better place to start IMO.
And really pushing the "shopping for essentials only" narrative to stop people going to the shops just for some time out the house. Perhaps combined with reemphasising you can only leave the hosue once per day.
Edit, bubbles are an interesting one. No question some are abusing it, but they're essential for others. I have a friend who who is single, lives alone, works from home and has been in a bubble with his neighbour who's in a similar siutation. Take that away from him he'll really struggle.
I think exercise alone/bubble, nurseries close, stricter rules on which workplaces stay open and potentially a time limit on exercise.
I think time limit on exercise is pointless, but is more about signalling that the message is fundamentally stay at home
I’d really struggle without my bubble. My bubble is my GF who I don’t live with.
Currently live alone and working from home.
I’m already struggling with anxiety.
Maybe they could keep the bubble but make it a more formal arrangement so people can’t abuse it.
With regards to exercise even Chris Whitty says likelihood of outdoor transmission is very low and unlikely to make much difference to the R.
Issue is still indoor transmission.
Would be better to tighten up on indoor mask wearing, more protocols in work places and shops.
I hope they don't close bubbles personally, as it is def helping my mum to be able to come down.
Exercise limits would be a shame, def should restrict schools more and greater limits on shops
Seeing people thronging my local high street and park does boil my piss, but maybe a better response than cracking down on outdoor mixing would be to give proper support to people to isolate at home so they don't feel they have to work?
Funny how the Government who repeatedly said it was fine to break lockdown rules are now having trouble with people breaking lockdown rules...
I think time limit on exercise is pointless, but is more about signalling that the message is fundamentally stay at home
The point of a time limit is for people for whom 'exercise' involves driving somewhere, strolling around a bit, queuing up for a pancake and a coffee, sitting on a bench to consume it while having a chat with the person they've met up with, then driving home. Also known as a nice day out.
Sad for everyone who is happy to stick to the letter and the spirit of the regulations.
Perhaps combined with reemphasising you can only leave the hosue once per day.
That's never been in the guidance has it? Once per day for exercise, but still the other essential reasons as well?
I'm assuming tighter restrictions on what shops can open - basically food, medicine and care needs, closure of garden centres and takeaways, no meeting anyone outside of the household/bubble. Sounds like schools need the definition of key workers eligibility clarifying.
Clarity on exercise would help - alone, 1 hour door to door. Maybe clarify the definition of "local" to "the nearest".
Whatever they bring in, then clarity and getting people on board to go along with it are key. Enforcement will be tough in terms of resources and public attitudes without it.
One thing I don't understand is why the knee jerk reaction to tighter rules unless there is overwhelming evidence the whole country isn't sticking to it. We have been in a national lockdown around a week and are constantly told there is a "lag in the data" so any impact on the numbers won't be felt until like next week or maybe the week after. (im guessing im no analyst)
Takeaways wont shut as they means more furlough support, I think likely will be curfews and exercise on your own / household / support bubble.
Why are garden centres open? This has been puzzling me for months: there's a large place not far from us that's been packed leading upto Christmas and during the lockdown, it's a day out for some folks.
I'm struggling to understand the "essential" loophole here
Essential for the Tory voting Cotton-tops?
Why are garden centres open?
Gardening is some people's exercise, it is also some people's way of getting food, it is also some people's job so are there are legitimate reasons. I expect for most it is just an excuse to get out of the house. Before Christmas it was crazy, though. The one I popped into (for work) was 95% Christmas tat with the gardening stuff crammed into a shed at the back. That said it was pretty covid safe, big, open, well ventilated space, easy to maintain social distance.
Why are garden centres open?
One of two things that saw a massive spike in the first lockdown was gardening and DIY (gardening of course helped by the lovely spring weather).
I seem to remember nurseries (as in the plant growing places, not the childcare places) were arguing that to close garden centres would mean them destroying millions of plants that were destined for garden centres across the UK. I suspect partly for financial reasons (not having to compensate nurseries, not having to furlough garden centre employees) would help matters and I guess there's an argument there too about people's mental health.
Gardening is some people’s exercise, it is also some people’s way of getting food, it is also some people’s job so are there are legitimate reasons
Gardening is a huge mental health benefit for many people, especially older retired people who we like to kick on here, like my mum. If it was restricted to gardening products only, outdoor areas only, 2m distancing enforced it "should" be a relatively safe option. But
for most it is just an excuse to get out of the house
is also true
bubbles are an interesting one. No question some are abusing it, but they’re essential for others.
My in-laws are really taking the piss with this.
We're in London but they still had 12 people at Christmas dinner, because they are providing a 'support bubble' to both my wife's sisters (single mums) and their kids.
They were really mardy when we wouldn't go round there and made them come out to meet us in the woods on Boxing day.
Since then they've had a NYE Party and a birthday party for one of the kids with fireworks etc.
Makes me so mad.
Seems supermarkets are a concern within government.Makes sense given higher risk of indoors transmission, numbers and frequency of visits.
They were much better during the first lockdown at enforcing the one way systems and numbers inside.
They were much better during the first lockdown at enforcing the one way systems and numbers inside.
Totally agree. Shopping was a pleasure in April. So quiet and so much space. Went to Aldi yesterday and it was like a normal shopping day. Just grabbed a few bits and left sharply. I can see why the shops do it if they can get away with it. The tills were much busier. Mask wearing seems to have replaced social distancing
Since then they’ve had a NYE Party and a birthday party for one of the kids with fireworks etc
Either report them to the police or live with it.
Totally agree. Shopping was a pleasure in April. So quiet and so much space. Went to Aldi yesterday and it was like a normal shopping day. Just grabbed a few bits and left sharply. I can see why the shops do it if they can get away with it. The tills were much busier. Mask wearing seems to have replaced social distancing
More families shopping together as well. April/May people were always solo when they went shopping, now you see couples and families doing it together. More people = less space and more spreaders.
Think I've already said, but last Saturday morning the local Aldi and Tesco were almost back to April levels of calmness and space.
More families shopping together as well. April/May people were always solo when they went shopping, now you see couples and families doing it together. More people = less space and more spreaders.
That's still down to the supermarkets. If they are letting in say 100 people then whether they are together or not is largely irrelevant. Its the absolute number that is too high. I must admit I don't much care for the kids running around touching everything but I suspect it is fairly low risk and if we want to shut schools then this is the price.
If they are letting in say 100 people then whether they are together or not is largely irrelevant.
A bit shit for those who have to queue outside in subzero temps because some people are going for a trip out with the whole family.
I'm also of the opinion that queues lead to panic buying. If you've had to wait, you decide to "get a bit more" just in case, and you dont want to queue again in half a weeks time just because you need another milk. which then empties shelves, so the next person gets more panicked, and decides they need a months worth of flour and eggs and pasta because things must be getting worse again.
My daughter works in a supermarket 2 evenings a week. It's a posh one, in a posh town, and she feels pretty safe due to the measures in place. However - this aspect, when she has to do door duty is the bit she hates. It's one in one out on a clicker but the queue jumpers that ignore a 16 year old girl really upset her; she has identified that it generally fits a demographic of older-middle aged, posh looking, male and female and they're always 'just getting a couple of things' or 'in a hurry' when she challenges them. The security guard inside the doors seems to have a better hit rate though, and seems perfectly happy to march them to the end of the queue and the management are also absolutely deaf to protests.....
If that's any of us, just behave, eh?
Whatever happened to track & trace, is there a reason the supermarkets don't use it?
Just been reported on the news that there is a shortage of oxygen.
As TiRed has said unless you are witnessing first hand the results of not 'doing the right thing', eg a death of a close one, or knowing really close friend or relative who is one the NHS front line and working until they nearly drop, then 'some' people don't give a toss.
We saw a group of 10 out walking yesterday, no masks, all young all chatting together without a care in the world.
However can I stress that 'most' (the majority of) people are doing the right thing and using common sense. Obeying the flimsy rules and keeping themselves and others safe.
I think it may be more an inability to connect this rather nebulous threat with an actual risk to self.
Or if you like, stupidity not malice.
It's not stupidity or malice... it's the accumulation of mixed messages and misinformation... and that's not just a dig at the government, but also the media and "us"... the media, the public, and many politicians are happy to spread dangerous nonsense.
My other half has worked in a supermarket all the way through and has, almost constantly, had issues with customers being unable to flow basic rules of wearing a mask, keeping distance and following one way systems. One way systems have now been axed because the company thought it was too difficult for customers to work with!
She had issues with people literally pushing past her and reaching over/around to get to the shelves whilst she's filling them. Her response is to simply move out the way and wait patiently, which has attracted many comments such as "what's the problem?"
I wish I was making this up. She's worked in 2 stores one of which is in a well off area the other the opposite and mostly reports are the same.
Generally people are ok but she's had some really difficult confrontations because people are too entitled to care about anybody else.
One thing I don’t understand is why the knee jerk reaction to tighter rules unless there is overwhelming evidence the whole country isn’t sticking to it
The truth is, the government are clearly very concerned that cases, admissions and soon-to-be deaths have not yet turned over for the new variant. in fact cases appear to have stabilised somewhat, but the the new variant is spreading to the North and South West. Hence Lockdown2, which failed to reduce spread in London and the South East, has them worried (and rightly). The increase we are seeing now is partly the Christmas rollover when constraints were relaxed. Peak death is normally Week2 due to Christmas spread-around of other respiratory infections.
I would never countenance removing single-person bubbles. I don't think that has been abused, and for many it has been a lifeline. My stepfather meets my sister and her family (of six). My wife walks each week with her friend who is now a single covid widow.
As for exercise, well I walked for five hours this weekend. An hour would just mean head for the turbo. I could live with that, but then I work in a bedroom all week, and have been in the garage to exercise train, so that five hours is actually less than one hour per day.
I found this interesting
which had:
It asks 70,000 adults every week about the effects of the virus and social distancing and the responses on compliance are fascinating.
Women follow the rules more closely than men. White people follow them more than people from ethnic minorities. Richer people tend to be less compliant. So do key workers and 18-to-29-year-olds.
Rates of compliance are lower in England, in urban areas, and among adults living with children.
And they are all above average drivers 😉
Generally people are ok but she’s had some really difficult confrontations because people are too entitled to care about anybody else.
I think this one paragraph sums it up nicely I'm afraid..
I'm unique, just like everybody else.
Also
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Current UK vaccination rate is shown as ~750 per million per day.
I make that about 1333 days until vaccination complete. I hope we can get that rate up a bit...
I’m assuming tighter restrictions on what shops can open – basically food, medicine and care needs, closure of garden centres and takeaways, no meeting anyone outside of the household/bubble. Sounds like schools need the definition of key workers eligibility clarifying.
That would be a good place to start from. I would be perfectly happy with being limited to 1 trip out of the house per day and allowed to keep 1 support bubble for single households or carer (elderly or childcaring) responsibilities. The queues round the block near-constantly for KFC, Burger King, McDonald's and the Starbucks Drive-Thru really boil my piss as people are obviously going out for just that and some are even filling the car up with friends.
Be interesting to see how far the govt can think they can go vs what actually needs to be done.
My daughter works in a supermarket 2 evenings a week. It’s a posh one, in a posh town, and she feels pretty safe due to the measures in place. However – this aspect, when she has to do door duty is the bit she hates. It’s one in one out on a clicker but the queue jumpers that ignore a 16 year old girl really upset her; she has identified that it generally fits a demographic of older-middle aged, posh looking, male and female and they’re always ‘just getting a couple of things’ or ‘in a hurry’ when she challenges them. The security guard inside the doors seems to have a better hit rate though, and seems perfectly happy to march them to the end of the queue and the management are also absolutely deaf to protests…..
Had the exact same issues with the supermarket I worked in for a while. They would put a 16-17 year old (usually female, customers prefer a female face and voice apparently) and you would just get people ignoring them and pushing past. Put the security guard there, especially the one who is a bodybuilder, and it was almost 100% compliance! Some people are just completely ignorant of what is going on and don't stop to think whether what they are doing is right or not.
Anyone working to keep the shelves stocked so we can all live safely is putting up with a lot of stress right now so deserves our thanks.