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Why is Witty justifying this stupidity when SAGEs advice was clear?
Why do they keep pushing the Christmas angle? It's a bit cringey.
I love seeing my family for christmas. However, I don't want to spend Christmas day wondering whether I've just given my parents a disease that has high odds of killing them.
Am I the only one that (in the terms of covid) isn't fussed about Christmas? Being safe and reducing the impact on the NHS/Infections/Deaths is far more important than eating dry turkey with family
We’ve already told family that they won’t see us IRL over the Xmas break, so that we and they could plan. Seemed no point just crossing fingers and ignoring the obvious that was coming over this term. We made the call in September, when it was already obvious what was in store.
I am fussed about Christmas Houns, hugely, but no option was going to make this one anything close to normal and sociable in the normal way.
Schools open = R not going under 1 so cases still increase.
Essentially, this will only slow the rate of growth, not reduce cases
Did we actually get through that without any Latin?
I’d go with
Noli pro cras tenere quae hodie facere potes.
"Do not hold for tomorrow those things which you can do today."
I'd suggest you watch the press conference on BBC News. The sign language interpreter is hilarious. Looks like some sort of little Britain sketch 😆.
Lets you zone out on what Boris is spouting.
Why do they keep pushing the Christmas angle? It’s a bit cringey.
Banning christmas would be a nail in the coffin for them being reelected, if there was even a remote chance of that left.
Procrastinate. Cool. I learned something:-)
jeffl - I think he's drunk too 🤣
Why do they keep pushing the Christmas angle?
They must've ran out of spitfires over the white cliffs tropes.
Have I missed it, no mention of shielding restarting?
Natura non constristatur
'Nature doesn't give a shit.'
Also what time does this come in? Thursday am or pm or midnight or?
Nope, no shielding. Schools still open. R above 1 and staying there.
Complete load of bollocks.
That’s what I’m planning, unless MOT test centres have to close of course… if they’re classed as non essential.
They were never forced to close last time.
We know. How is this time better than a few weeks ago? Or is it in fact likely to be worse in every way?
😂 it's really not rocket science is it.
As for Christmas.. It's one frigging day, we shouldnt be planning a whole national strategy around whether we get to eat turkey with the in-laws or not..
Although my folks are in my single person bubble already, so I'm planning a 10 day quarentine mid December then move in with then over the festive period.
Have I missed it, no mention of shielding restarting?
That's because it hasn't
They were never forced to close last time.
Ahh cool, thanks - wasn't sure due to the extension we all got.
I'm technically an 'essential worker' (got a letter from work back in March and everyfink), and do still do 2 days a week in the office, so can waft that around if needed. 🙂
Midnight Wednesday into Thursday. Wednesday is your last getting shit-faced in public and hugging strangers night.
Nature doesn’t give a shit.
Nor do me & the Mrs.
We REALLY don't give a shit about another lockdown, we don't mix with many people anyway, love peace & quiet even though we do have lots of friends.
I drive a school minibus as a part time job, It's gonna be a month of bliss.
What angers me, is that if they hadn't dicked around so much with ineffectual lockdowns and slogans, there is a chance we could have been out of this and actually having a normal Christmas.
I dont really care about Christmas myself. My 3 year old may never see a Christmas with his grandad though now 🙁
As for Christmas.. It’s one frigging day, we shouldnt be planning a whole national strategy around whether we get to eat turkey with the in-laws or not..
Quite. Let's have a post-COVID piss up lasting a fortnight. Which would segue nicely into the third wave.
Banning christmas would be a nail in the coffin for them being reelected, if there was even a remote chance of that left.
Well they've got 4 years to turn it round. Any bets?
Will the car park at Swinley stay open?
I drive a school minibus as a part time job, It’s gonna be a month of bliss.
You know the schools are still going to be open*, don't you?
*That's the policy for the next hour at least.
Getting the Barnard Castle reference in:
Parvis imbutus tentabis grandia tutus
When you are steeped in little things, you shall safely attempt great things.
So, you show the vulnerable those graphs, and then say no help for shielding. That will have to change, Tory MPs will be going nuts when the emails from worried constituents start coming in tonight.
pet and smoke free home….
Made me laugh, despite the pet departing this week. And no, the colour palette is absolutely nothing to do with me. The short-term predictions have a little of my numbers in there, and I think are reasonably credible. The long-term modelling, I would have left that out - PHE 4000 deaths per day is just nonsense. I've always said anything beyond four to six weeks is the realm of chicken entrails frankly. Policy moves faster than that.
Curiously, Mrs TiRed and I thought we detected a few moments of sincerity from Boris, only once or twice, mind. And nice to see Gupta on form too. First time I've heard her live and I don't think she gave one single useful statement - "We should protect the vulnerable". No shit, I thought we should pile them in nursing homes and send in the sentinel asymptomatic uni students...
0001 hrs on Thursday if HoC vote in favour on Wednesday.
/Tin Foil Hat On
Just read an article about vaccines, one of the things needed to speed up the process is lots of Covid around to test efficacy
\Tin Foil Hat Off
I've looked but can't see any restrictions or information on exercise, either once a day, like earlier this year or traveling to a destination to exercise?
No limit on time outdoors for exercise. Driving to get to exercise falls into the “what the f is essential travel” interpretation black hole again for now. We’ll have threads on it again, no doubt. Don’t plan a trip to ride in the Scottish Borders though.
Banning christmas would be a nail in the coffin for them being reelected, if there was even a remote chance of that left.
Oh Yee of too much faith.
Do you have any idea just how stupid your average British voter is?
Then bear in mind that 50% of them are even more stupid than that.
QED over the last few years.
And yet you still cling to the belief that these morons are going to finally get wise to the situation and vote them out.
How sweet
I'd imagine that very few people will pay any attention to restrictions put on either location or duration of exercise.
Don't think there were ever any restrictions on duration of exercise, just some stuff made up on the hoof by Gove. I'd be surprised if you still had the ability to drive from your home area to do it, but that hasn't been fleshed out yet, I think.
Am sure you won't be the only one thinking that, but the honest answer is that's why a large number of people in the trials are in the us and south America
Spring is a suitably vague term from the Boris almanac - guess they are relying on people thinking spring is February rather than four to six or seven months off.
Can my knee please get better by Thursday.
Don’t think there were ever any restrictions on duration of exercise, just some stuff made up on the hoof by Gove. I’d be surprised if you still had the ability to drive from your home area to do it, but that hasn’t been fleshed out yet, I think.
Wasn't it 30 minutes per day during the very initial lockdown?
As for not driving out of area to exercise, four words: Barnard Castle Eye Test
reluctantjumper
Full MemberHe’s blown it, not enough action to get the numbers going in the right direction.
I can see why that came as a shock
Wasn’t it 30 minutes per day during the very initial lockdown?
I switched over to the BBC News Channel a bit late but I think the new line is no restriction on time outside but limit to one other person.
Curious as to why everyone is so sure that “lockdown lite” (schools open) won’t work?
The current patchwork of tiered restrictions weren’t very well adhered to, the national version hopefully should be and might just be enough ? Certainly seems to be the way that the rest of Europe is going. Has to be worth a try. Schools closed really is not a good option for lots of reasons *
* yes, biased view from a household with 2 WFH parents
Wasn’t it 30 minutes per day during the very initial lockdown?
No, it wasnt 30 minutes. It wasnt even one hour. That cropped up when Michael Gove ran his mouth without thinking and it suddenly became a 'rule' in a lot of the publics eyes.
Wasn’t it 30 minutes per day during the very initial lockdown?
No, there was nothing so positive. Just a bit of generalised waffle about "I should think an hour is about right for most people".
Tom-B
An hour
Well that's what the clarification was last time.
Rather doubt they've considered the details yet, rather like Brexit....
I genuinely didn't know that!
I missed the Boris briefing 'cos I was making spicy parsnip soup. #ThugLife
Is there a summary of WTF is going to happen on Thursday?
Wasn’t it 30 minutes per day during the very initial lockdown?
I think it all depended on where you lived but the general rule for the UK seemed to be an hour at first and ending with the exercise must be longer than the drive. I feel like the exercise rules won't change so I could still drive to Surrey (1.5hr drive) simply because we now know how important it is to stay healthy to fight covid.
I was making spicy parsnip soup
Parsnip soup for halloween! Surely pumpkin or turnip would be more appropriate.
I that becomes so then I can go to High Vinnalls. I've got four miles of Hergest Ridge at the gate at the end of town too. Lucky me....
OK, I'm going to stick my neck out here...
He didn't bring back shielding. He did tell everyone vulnerable, including the elderly, to minimise contact. I'm actually happy with that. My parents can get out for their daily walk round the block, can still shout at their friends across the street, but won't be going to the supermarket. I'll be getting their shopping again and leaving it at the doorstep.
They are 78 and 82, and have a few low level risk factors that make them vulnerable. My in laws are 84 and 83 and in much higher risk categories. I will be absolutely delighted if my kids finish 2020 with a full set of grandparents still, but shielding and the lack of human contact, was a nightmare for all of them, they have all aged noticeably in the last 7-8 months, and I'm sure that lack of interaction and the anxiety of Covid has been a factor in my mother in laws suddenly deteriorating dementia.
Take it in turns to swing the axe, try and keep the blood of the carpet.
Edit - people still don't know what the exercise rules were the first time around? After the weeks we spent arguing about it on here?
@oldagepredator - I couldn't find a turnip in the shop! They always add extra depth to any soup or stew. Woe is me
Edit – people still don’t know what the exercise rules were the first time around? After the weeks we spent arguing about it on here?
I was having a self imposed break from most of social media back then....even if I was on stw, I was avoiding the arguements!
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so sure that “lockdown lite” (schools open) won’t work?
It's not that they won't work, just that there is little evidence to the contrary. Tier 3 with schools back isn't enough. Northern Ireland with schools on holiday looks promising. Full lockdown certainly was. An incomplete picture for a virus more transmissible than influenza, which is driven by schools transmission.
Scotland and wales were told the government couldn't fund furlough for their lockdown and they told northern counties that 67% was max, yet now the whole country is involved (including London) they are doing 80%.
The London policy makers don't understand why the rest of the country feels so detached, and why the hell did those people ever think these tories would ever represent them?
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kelvin
Full MemberBBC news trying for ‘balance’ again… they’ve had to resort to a nice long chat with Gupta again. At what point does opinion just become dangerous misinformation? She’s their new Nigel Lawson
Nahhh she’s worse than that, she’s the next Peter Duesberg.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Duesberg
eter H. Duesberg (born December 2, 1936) is a German American molecular biologist and a professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley. He is known for his early research into genetic aspects of cancer. He played a pivotal role in the AIDS denialism controversy as a proponent of the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS.
Peter Duesberg
Watched a podcast with him. Utterly insane
Is there a summary of WTF is going to happen on Thursday?
The nation will be nursing massive hangovers following one last massive trip to the boozer.
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Love this one "You must not travel if you are experiencing any coronavirus symptoms, are self-isolating as a result of coronavirus symptoms, are sharing a household or support bubble with somebody with symptoms" erm... Cummings anyone.
Essential travel includes, but is not limited to
essential shopping
travelling to work where your workplace is open or you cannot work from home
travelling to education and for caring responsibilities
hospital GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health.
I think they have Dom covered under the last one.
johnson's presser - a complete non-event.
Who will they wheel out for the Sunday politics shows and will they provide further details?
How will they defend 80% furlough support which they denied to GM less than 2 weeks ago.
Bullshit bingo - which of johnson's polyps will be first with 'when the facts change, I change my opinion'.
There's a faction on Twitter suggesting the late start was due to Mr Sunak being told fund the furlough again or you're sacked.
There’s a faction on Twitter suggesting the late start was due to Mr Sunak being told fund the furlough again or you’re sacked.
I thought furlough was his idea anyway, I cant see him putting up massive resistance to it moments before the press conference, if he was that opposed to it he wouldn't have started it back in april.
And it's not as if he's actually funding it, or even has to balance the books. Drivel
There is another faction that think it’s because boris wanted to watch the rugby. I know which is more likely...
Haha yep, I hardly doubt Sunak was sat with his team crunching the numbers over whether or not he could make one month of furlough payments work!
Since they have to win a vote on it in the commons next week before they implement it, I was wondering whether some MPs had kicked up a stink just before the conference and he had lost the numbers he required to win. Therefore delayed the conference till he got them back on side to avoid the embarrassment of announcing something that wouldnt happen.
I think watching rugby/doing a couple of lines to balance out the booze is the more likely explanation....
There’s a faction on Twitter suggesting the late start was due to Mr Sunak being told fund the furlough again or you’re sacked.
My money would be on this being an ERG related delay. Steve Baker seemed to have had a briefing today.
If it had been a home match a good embellishment of the Boris wants a beer narrative would have been him slipping his handlers and heading for Twickenham.
Since they have to win a vote on it in the commons next week before they implement it, I was wondering whether some MPs had kicked up a stink just before the conference and he had lost the numbers he required to win. Therefore delayed the conference till he got them back on side to avoid the embarrassment of announcing something that wouldnt happen.
Sadly labour would likely vote with the government on this. It's unlikely they'd even abstain. I can see the benefit of a lockdown, this isn't one so will make little difference and put even more businesses under.
Scotland and wales were told the government couldn’t fund furlough for their lockdown and they told northern counties that 67% was max, yet now the whole country is involved (including London) they are doing 80%.
Because they're ****s. Simple.
I think they have Dom covered under the last one.
He never visited a health facility.
I've a car with an MOT due this week. Can't see anything stopping garages working this time ...looks like I'll need to get it booked and done then. that's a shame.
Sandwich
Full MemberThere’s a faction on Twitter suggesting the late start was due to Mr Sunak being told fund the furlough again or you’re sacked.
Hardly seems likely- Sunak championed the furlough because, basically, he knew it would work. Resistance has mostly been from the "centre" of the party who're terrified that people realise that it means welfare spending, printing money and public borrowing are a good idea, after years of peddling the austerity lie. Sunak, for all I don't like him, is a good enough economist to know what works and what has to be done, it's just that he's also a good enough tory to not want to do it.
He never visited a health facility.
There's enough for him to craft a get out by claiming it covers the concern and is not limited to the destination. Drive it like you are going to Barnard Castle.
He never visited a health facility.
He drove to a Hospital near you, while he thought he and his family had Coronavirus, even though he should have stayed put in London.