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For sure the CV19 symptoms are pretty common for flu and other viruses too. That is why WHO advocates widespread testing, but that does not seem to have been pursued in the UK like in South Korea or Germany.
At a time like this, when people are feeling afraid and vulnerable it’s not really offering anything other than clicks for the Guardian.
Well first off if someone like Roubini is warning about a Greater Depression and the potential for geo-policital instability then it's worth taking note of. Secondly are you seriously suggesting that reporting of this shouldn't occur because it might be bad news?
The thing that strikes me about the Oxford study, is why if so many folks have already had it are we only now seeing lots of people seriously ill/dying
I’m no scientist, but even I can see the flaw with that theory..
Well you're no scientist... 😉 I work for Imperial so will be loyal to their conclusions....
That is why WHO advocates widespread testing,
I'm struggling to understand this.
The current test only tells you if you have it now, or not. It can't tell you if you have had it. And if you haven't got it now it doesn't mean you won't get it next week.
So say you do 60k tests and 20k are positive.
I can understand that knowing you have 20k current cases is useful.
But the 40k negative seems a bit meaningless. It doesn't mean these people are safe and not going to get it in future. Is there any use to know the number of negative tests?
It is widely thought that having Covid-19 makes people immune to the disease or that if they get it a second time, they do not transmit it.
From rm's article..seems a bit of a leap!
Well you’re no scientist… 😉 I work for Imperial so will be loyal to their conclusions….
Surely Oxford uni don't put out any old nonsense though..there must be some basis to their paper surely? If not then it's a very dangerous and irresponsible publication, as it's basically fake news..But from a source many people would normally assume is very credible (Me included).
It's only when you think about in context of rise in infections in uk that it becomes obvious its bullturd
I’m struggling to understand this.
It's so you can see where outbreaks are occurring, and more importantly, track and find people that have it and isolate them.
Soap question. We don’t have a lot of handwash left, but I did bulk buy 5l of shower gel last year in a single use plastic purge.
Does shower gel contain the right ingredients to break down the CV and be effective as a handwash?
I would imagine the tank feeding the hand wash bottling line and the shower gel bottling line are one and the same.
Does shower gel contain the right ingredients to break down the CV and be effective as a handwash?
The main ingredients on the two random bottles I checked look more or less the same. Liquid soap will be different to bar soap and the government doesn't specify which, so I imagine its all good.
Science here - doesn't specifically mention shower gel but it's reasonable to assume that the amphiphile content and properties described are present in shower gel and shampoo and it's not a concentration thing like alcohol content is for hand sanitisers.
Bottom line is that the soap doesn't need to be anti-bacterial because (all together now) "IT'S A VIRUS!"
EDIT - Unless you bought five litres of Lynx in which case you'll die of sex.
"EDIT – Unless you bought five litres of Lynx in which case you’ll die of sex."
Post of the thread!!! 😀 😀 😀
I think any kind of washy soapy type thing helps as it breaks down the double sided sellotape on your hand to which the virus sticks and everything is washed down the plug hole.
Thanks All - love the lynx post 🤩
Apparently a home testing kit is due to be released 'in days' - potential game-changer, you'll finally be able to find out easily whether you've had the virus and, reading the article, most likely if you have it too:
That is good news so long as it’s not too good to be true.
Hopefully they work if they do they can be distributed quickly and they have enough of them.
And yes, the Lynx comment wins the thread so far 😁
I’m working in Cardiff today and there’s a few police patrols stopping people and asking why they are out.
I'm travelling around by bike, train and car in Munich and surrounding area. Not seen a single police check, which is odd as in a usual month I'll see at least one, if not two.
Police were policing along the river last week and issued fines/warnings to people in groups.
GF's friends had the police round because one of her's and neighbour's kid were seen by another neighbour who dobbed them in.
Bonus right now, the trains are empty and a pleasure to use.
Local shop here had the police in to check why they were still open, hardware, cleaning products and just about anything else you could need so they were fine.
Hope the test can identify Covid 19 specifically, rather than just telling you if you've got coronavirus, as around 15% of common colds come from a coronavirus...
With the average adult getting 2 or 3 colds a year and the average child getting 6 to 8, that's at least 3 Billion people a year with a coronavirus.
And if 3 Billion people test positive for coronavirus, shit's gonna get wild
(especially with the lack of bog roll)
Just been shopping at my local aldi, one out, one in and queuing in the car park 2m apart was working really well.
Nothing like that happening in my local aldi...!
Distance at the builders merchants and bakery. Petrol station, no.
Yep, home testing kit is great news. Any NHS/Care workers who have had it can deal with people with no risk while those that haven't can remain cautious. Those that have had it can also return to work and go about normal business.
Apparently a home testing kit is due to be released ‘in days’ – potential game-changer, you’ll finally be able to find out easily whether you’ve had the virus and, reading the article, most likely if you have it too:
Good news, but a concern I have with this is it will allow people who can’t be arsed to comply with the lockdown to say they have tested themselves and have had it, therefore immune and are therefore fine to go to the pub etc.
Also I read somewhere scientists have identified 40 different strains, would it be guaranteed if you had caught one strain you would also be immune to the other 39?
Any NHS/Care workers who have had it can deal with people with no risk while those that haven’t can remain cautious
That's assuming that once you've had it your are immune to catching it again - has that been confirmed yet?
I thought that's why people were casting doubt on the herd immunity theory.
Diageo bottling plant is still operating so we don't run out off Tanqueray or Johnnie Walker. So much for lockdown and essential only . They are only walking in pairs as they head out for a fag and blether
That’s assuming that once you’ve had it your are immune to catching it again – has that been confirmed yet?
Was gonna ask the same.
Hope the test can identify Covid 19 specifically, rather than just telling you if you’ve got coronavirus, as around 15% of common colds come from a coronavirus…
I can just picture the face of the procurement dude in government.
Mentioned on here last week that contact payment amounts should be raised to avoid touching pin key pads.
Just been confirmed it's been upped to 45 quid from 30 from 1st April. I'd have preferred to have more but better than nothing.
That's good, for the first time in what feels like forever the contactless didn't work in Tesco on Monday and I was forced to touch the keypad, grrrrr.
I just heard they may be bottling hand gel but no mixing it with tonic
Local company has claimed to have a test for a while, business enquiries only and apparently most are being shipped abroad.
Link to the article I saw it on
Just been confirmed it’s been upped to 45 quid from 30 from 1st April. I’d have preferred to have more but better than nothing.
Applepay and presumably other telephoney pay things go muuuuuuch higher if that helps. Not sure what the limit actual is but used it for £80 worth of shopping the other day without having to touch the dirty virus infested button contraption.
if you have google pay or apple pay on your phone the limits are higher still.
To answer another Q - the way 'soap' kills CV is by dissociating the external lipid (fat) layer, which deactivates it, and enables the insides to leak out, destroying it in the process. That's a layman's version but it's good enough and hence 'any' fat dissolving soap will be more or less effective against it. Some soap ingredients (surfactants) are more aggressive than others but 20-30s with shower gel or fairy liquid or whatever should work.
I’m standing in a queue in the cold waiting to give blood. I was torn as to whether not was a good time to do it but decided I should.
Apart from work it’s the most people I’ve seen for about 2 weeks.
I hope this isn’t my downfall!
What’s interesting is that I think we’re seeing the start of a massive shift in soft power and global influence as the US screws up and China steps into the breach for the rest of the world.
This.
Evil Chinese lockdown Wuhan and only a few thousand die (only?!!!) Meanwhile Trump wants to restart the US economy even if it kills people.
Trump tries to get exclusive US access to German vaccine. Russia and Cuba send doctors to Italy.
peter1979
Go for a ride mate
I was gonna pop over Phil, but not sure it's 12 weeks since I donated tbh, heads mush.
Diageo bottling plant is still operating so we don’t run out off Tanqueray or Johnnie Walker. So much for lockdown and essential only . They are only walking in pairs as they head out for a fag and blether
Not my preferred tipple but what food and drink do you class as essential? If we are only allowed bread and water then there isn't enough bread for 2000 calories x 60 million people.
mudmuncher
MemberAlso I read somewhere scientists have identified 40 different strains, would it be guaranteed if you had caught one strain you would also be immune to the other 39?
pretty sure that's nonsense and there's only one strain.
To answer another Q – the way ‘soap’ kills CV is by dissociating the external lipid (fat) layer, which deactivates it, and enables the insides to leak out, destroying it in the process. That’s a layman’s version but it’s good enough and hence ‘any’ fat dissolving soap will be more or less effective against it. Some soap ingredients (surfactants) are more aggressive than others but 20-30s with shower gel or fairy liquid or whatever should work.
I have some concentrated "Travel Wash" - Anionic Surfactants 5-15%, non-ionic surfactants < 5%, preservative formaldehyde. Seems like that would be effective?
Well, this press conference is making the term “essential” more vague than before, not less. Or is it just me being a bit dense?
Wonder how many less publicised functions he’s been attending; imagine if it spread amongst the diplomatic community!!
https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1242861618561724417?s=21
[ contracted in Budapest, not here, I would suspect - FCO staff are vital key workers at risk as well, let’s not forget that ]
pretty sure that’s nonsense and there’s only one strain.
Not 40 mind you.
Diageo are hiring folk to work in their whisky plants the now