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Courage, Drac.
@Edukator our brown bins are cancelled too, the rest are still being done for now. I can see the recycling getting stopped too.
I hope my cassette arrives tomorrow before the delivery drivers stop so I can use the turbo we just bought in preparation for this.
I also really hope the full skip on our drive gets collected in the morning, I really don’t want it sitting out there for 3+ weeks.
I've just read that link up there regarding the current guidelines about closures etc, no problem with retail shops being shut but there is no mention of service type businesses, car service centres etc, I'd imagine they will be allowed to continue trading? Vehicle maintenance being key for the other essential services? Unless I've missed it somewhere, head is in the shed at the moment so it's quite likely
Dim comments up there^^^ about sports direct; they are subject to same regs as others.
The end.
This.
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No, I didn’t confuse the two of you.
Just read the government information and act on it, as regards exercise.
It is clear. No need to muddy the waters.
Then you need to re-read what I wrote.
To be safe, here's the gist of it again, I was saying how the BBC is very vague about what constitutes daily exercise. I gave examples
Gov.UK is very precise, and states one daily exercise session
Hopefully the waters are a little clearer for you now
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Looks like all my freelance theatre and events industry colleagues are now working in Tesco and the like. The Trucks are hauling food instead of scenery and gear and the shelves are being stacked by highly motivated Stage Managers and Designers and Technicians that thrive in a crisis and like to get things done in under 4 hours.
Gov.UK is very precise, and states one daily exercise session
Do that and don’t be a dick, as I said. I think you thought that I’d inferred you were a dick. I didn’t.
Courage, Drac
This. School mates of my 'little' niece (they're 24 now) are in their first year doctoring in the Basque NHS. Quite the baptism of fire. Saw an insta of them masked up sharing a taxi up to the hospital to start a shift and felt quite emotional, known them since they were little...
https://twitter.com/Plaid_Cymru/status/1242224932588847105/photo/1
Seems like I am not the only one that thinks this is ambiguous.
Courage, Drac.
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"Dim" or "intrigued" by Sports Direct? I'm "intrigued" to see what's still open tomorrow. I think they should be shut like Decathlon but will Boris' mates continue trading? Only time will tell. And Evans Cycles from the same group, essential or not? What's if a Doctor's bike breaks down. You know I'd just shut the lot but I'm not Boris.
And Evans Cycles
Bike shops are on the exclusions from closing list I think
I think you thought that I’d inferred you were a dick. I didn’t.
Haha, yes I did.
My apologies
So is Home and Hardware Stores.
That covers the likes of B&Q, TK Maxx, Next etc. So many ways of getting around it all if you get creative. Add in that online can still deliver orders and you have a perfect mix for people to take the piss.
So,Trump thinks the USA needs to start opening up for business again "soon" as the medical "cure" is worse than the economic distress.
I never ever thought I would agree with anything Trump says...but I can see his point.
Whilst C-19 dominates the headlines, I've not seen any news about the breakdown of society but surely it won't take long to happen. Of course, if these lockdowns are removed "quickly" then the breakdown may not happen.
(And I'm not thinking of nice middle class England here...more the deprived ghettos in the larger metropolitan US areas)
Should we have a poll for how long with think the lockdowns will be in place?
I'll start with 8 weeks.
(BTW:I live in Canada so we are a little behind the UK in timelines though I suspect our lockdown will happen pretty soon)
More will have to come for the self employed. I suspect it will be loans to get through this period. Easiest way to do it is tax refunds, clawed back later.
why the **** should it be loans though when the employed are getting 80% of there wages paid.
my wife has lost all work as a self employed cleaner for mostly old folk and a few holiday cottages, i've had to put some work on hold so as not to be going into peoples houses some who are in the at risk group.
luckily i've got a few weeks worth of tiling to do in a empty house( bar a few other trades who will be in differant rooms) so will be going in tomorrow.
they really need to get a move on with some support for the self employed, what we could claim at the moment possibly wouldn't even cover the mortgage and bills.
So is Home and Hardware Stores.
That covers the likes of B&Q, TK Maxx, Next etc.
Next
To all of our customers,
We have made the decision to close our stores from today, Monday 23rd March, at 6pm, temporarily until further notice.
We’d like to take the opportunity to thank all of our staff who continue to be incredibly supportive of NEXT and we would also like to let customers know that we do appreciate their loyal support.
why the **** should it be loans though when the employed are getting 80% of there wages paid
For the same reasons we don’t get full sick pay, and all kinds of other protections that PAYE employees get. I’m not saying what I would like to happen, just what I think will happen. We will need income if we can’t work, but I suspect the government will provide it in a way that means we will pay it back if/when we can work in future.
I’d rather all workers were paid a subsistence income of the same amount while this is ongoing, not to be repaid directly at all, funded through borrowing (future taxation), but this government isn’t likely to act this way though, is it.
I wonder if my fridge will be delivered on Friday.. if not I'm royally screwed as mine is broken. Surely household electrical stores sell essentials..washing machines, fridges etc
Fingers crossed
Cv really does suck the boabie...
Did someone say TP
@dirtyrider - good to read.
@spev - just been in contact with our service centre for our vans at work who service commercial vehicles 24/7 and they're open. They service the local health trust's ambulances so hopefully they will be allowed to continue. ATS are also still available to change tyres for us, don't know about their retail provisions.
For the same reasons we don’t get full sick pay, and all kinds of other protections that PAYE employees get. I’m not saying what I would like to happen, just what I think will happen. We will need income if we can’t work, but I suspect the government will provide it in a way that means we will pay it back if/when we can work in future.
I’d rather all workers were paid a subsistence income of the same amount while this is ongoing, not to be repaid directly at all, funded through borrowing (future taxation), but this government isn’t likely to act this way though, is it.
yeah i get it with the sick pay and other stuff employees get and that there is some advantages of being self employed to make up for not getting the same.
agree with your last paragraph, these aren't normal times and all workers should be treated the same regaurdless of whether they are employed or self employed.
markgraylish - trump is obsessed with numbers and getting re-elected; is being massively irresponsible in suggesting the medical cure may be worse than the economic distress.
Re-opening shops and business won't make covid-19 go away.
Without a medical cure there won't be an economy.
Just consider some of the basic numbers - without getting into death rates or considering limited availability of ventilators and hospital standard PPE or relatively low presence in Africa and South America so far but when it starts to rip in those areas the spread could be terrifying.
Basic numbers - 67 days for 100k confirmed cases; 11 more days until that became 200k; 4 more days until 300k.
When this is done trump will have blood on his hands.
Without a medical cure there won’t be an economy.
Really? We know this will rip through the population and kill many hundreds of thousands of people with underlying medical conditions (and, presumably, limited life expectancy anyway) but for the huge majority of the population, it's just a bad case of flu (yes, I'm being deliberately flippant for effect).
But, I'm looking at the longer-term effects such a mass civil unrest (including looting and murder), societal breakdown, rampant inflation, Marshall law etc in some economies as a potential side effect of mass unemployment and "house arrest" for, effectively, extending the lives of the already sick.
Many of those who die of C-19 would almost certainly be dead already, if not for medical advances of the last 20-30 years.
See TJ's recent thread on here about dignity in dying. Many contributors on that thread said they'd prefer to end their own lives at a time of their own choosing yet as a society we still aren't adult enough to accept the finality of death and still cling to the belief that we must try to keep everyone alive waaaaay beyond nature's design limits.
Any test kits out there yet?
I should imagine Sports Direct will suffer a Ratners and die by a thousand cuts Social Media
Is this going to be enough to stop the virus? - non retail business is going to stay open...huge amount of chance for transmission amongst staff.
The confused messages and changing the wording in the tweeted announcement don't help...
My work have already thought up ways that this doesn't apply to us.
I knew they would, as soon as the announcement said 'cannot be done from home' rather than 'essential'. They have interpreted this as 'would be mildly inconvenient to arrange to do from home, like we should have done weeks ago when several staff suggested preparing for this eventuality'.
I'm sure they won't be the only irresponsible employer across the land. Wonder if the tone will change when someone close to the management gets ill, or if a rewording/tightening of the lockdown will force their hand.
I should imagine Sports Direct will suffer a Ratners and die by a thousand cuts Social Media
Its core demographic don't seem to be the demographic who care about Coronavirus
I’m sat in the bath before heading to work. I was going to answer MarkG’s comments but I can’t be bothered any more, I really can’t see how people don’t I understand why the virus needs to be controlled.
See you tonight folks.
Take care Drac
#dracforsupremeleader
Yep - you got this Drac
#dracforsupremeleader
There has been some really nasty comments and replies on here after many of us have asked about what is classed as travel to and from work unless absolutely necessary.
Many of us work in jobs that simply cannot be done from home. Also many of us don't have the luxury of an employer that cares about anything other than keeping their business going, regardless of their employees health.
I've been told by my employer that because we are workibg on site - 'it's work as normal'. There is not much that can be done when your employer takes this stance as by not going to work you will risk losing your job or simply not getting paid at all because the wording from the government is not specific enough.
Please try and understand that for many of us this is not because we want to keep working but because we are being told by our employers or site clients that work is to continue.
Morning folks
Bit of Withnail and I
Change down, man. Find your neutral space. You got a rush. It'll pass. Be seated.
Let it wash, take time, a lot of people will be thinking and feeling the same things.
Take care, take it in, embrace the pandemic pottering and don't chase too many rabbits.
That's me clocking on in the rabbit hole - lets keep it clean and tidy for when Drac gets back.
Question ref exercise...
What about walking my dog.
Shes 14 so only goes 1/4 mile twice a day.
So am If I walk her and then ride am I in breech?
With all these families and couples having to stay at home and with time on their hands, folk really need to use all means to avoid conception. The last thing the NHS needs is the maternity services being overburdened in a few months (we have no certainty how long this is going to go on for).
Plus pregnancy puts your household instantly into the High Risk category taking workers (could be essential workers) out of productive work (as household will need to stay at home for the duration of the outbreak).
Question ref exercise…
What about walking my dog.
Shes 14 so only goes 1/4 mile twice a day.
So am If I walk her and then ride am I in breech?
Of course you are, within the criteria of once a day that was laid out.
Play with the dog in the garden, throw it a stick 4000 times.
That’s me clocking on in the rabbit hole – lets keep it clean and tidy for when Drac gets back.
Oh, chapeau - totally agree.
Biggest worry would be being shopped to the authorities by the gammons.
If last weekend is anything to go by they'll be out in droves breaking the ban before anybody.
What about walking my dog.
Shes 14 so only goes 1/4 mile twice a day.
We're the same with a 13 year-old Basset hound that doesn't go far or fast, along with a 2 year-old Labrador with boundless energy.
My wife's gone out for an hour of solo walking, will come past the end of the road in an hour where we'll meet up to take both dogs to the local park and then I'll take the Labrador for a longer run whilst she takes the Basset hound home.
So my ex is with our 7 year old kids, an hours drive away. From the new rules I don’t get to see them whilst this is in force.
For all those with split families. there is an exception under the rules of visit vulnerable family members so that you can transfer children from home to home
You should only leave the house for one of four reasons.
● Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person*.
*Where applicable, this includes moving children under 18 between their parents’ homes.
I was thinking I could get DIY stuff one because things could be delivered – but I’m not sure the staff at Travis Perkins or wherever mail order depot are going to be considered essential so they probably won’t be working either.
I have a greenhouse due to be delivered ... seedlings already sprouting and ready to transfer so we can start more food but hey ho... seems like growing your own food is a non-essential activity?
Can anyone advise on the 80% wage input from government?
Aby idea when it's due to be in place, I get paid weekly and as ive not had to go in today (and we dont get paid for being off), wondering how quickly if at all this will be in place??
It's the same for everyone at our workplace so basically left out to dry with immediate closure
Is the 80% wage contribution automatic now to every business who doesn't pay for being off? Or do they still have to go through the process of temporary redundancy/job retention?
I really can’t see how people don’t I understand why the virus needs to be controlled.
Selfish or Stupid.
Biggest disaster in my lifetime but we’ve got water,food,electricity ,Xbox live and Netflix. All you’ve got to do is sit tight and save lives.
In my childhood it was all about nuclear apocalypse.
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I wonder if Evans will really open today...were their turbo trainers always that expensive - Wahoo Kickr £1150 & Core £805