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So it was an error, Kelvin. 🙁 French numbers are depressing, 3838 new cases and that a week into confinement with 3-6 days from infection to symptoms. I ws hoping for a flattening of new cases today 🙁 Bad day.
Surely they have learned by now that telegraphing measures in advance just leads to chaos as the stupid portion of the population does its best to do the exact opposite of what's needed.
is not enough time for people to pamic buy
Food shopping will still be allowed.
Otherwise people will starve
Just went out for a run. Roads are pretty much empty. Maybe the message has landed? At least in the posh outer fringes of Leeds
Food shopping will still be allowed.
Otherwise people will starve
this is teh problem government need to be VERY clear about this,
No 10 (cummings) were leaking about social lockdowns etc as a way to nudge people, its part of the behavioural science that has served them so well in the last GE & brexit ref
BUT in this case it simply causes panic buying
I posted this in the FC thread about people all going to forests & beaches yesterday:
To be fair on ‘the public’ we were told that we should go for walks in parks & forests , national trust even opened for free
And just 2 weeks ago government defended decision to keep football matches on , saying that it was fine because outside COVID couldn’t spread easily
We’ve been told to self isolate your family for 14 days if 1 of you gets ill, so people rush out & panic buy 14 days worth of food , which other people see & then panic buy themselves .
Dumping new phrases on the public like ‘social distancing’ ‘herd immunity’ & ‘flattening the curve’ may make Dom Cummings feel smart & superior in meetings but it’s just gibberish to most.
This is a failure of government to communicate clearly
Anyone point me to a simple list or plot of UK deaths by date please?
The sprout theory of nudge, behaviour and why you need to say it straight
I can’t stand sprouts. Nudging me to eat them for health benefits won’t make me do it.
In this new paradigm, if I was told clearly and directly to eat the ducking sprout or my lungs stop working, as well as all my friends lungs and the people they know’s lungs too... then I would eat that sprout.
Eat the sprout people.
I live by a co-op, it's amazing how many people are just popping in for the evenings munchies and beer.
kimbers
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Food shopping will still be allowed.Otherwise people will starve
this is teh problem government need to be VERY clear about this,
No 10 (cummings) were leaking about social lockdowns etc as a way to nudge people, its part of the behavioural science that has served them so well in the last GE & brexit refBUT in this case it simply causes panic buying
I posted this in the FC thread about people all going to forests & beaches yesterday:
To be fair on ‘the public’ we were told that we should go for walks in parks & forests , national trust even opened for free
And just 2 weeks ago government defended decision to keep football matches on , saying that it was fine because outside COVID couldn’t spread easily
We’ve been told to self isolate your family for 14 days if 1 of you gets ill, so people rush out & panic buy 14 days worth of food , which other people see & then panic buy themselves .
Dumping new phrases on the public like ‘social distancing’ ‘herd immunity’ & ‘flattening the curve’ may make Dom Cummings feel smart & superior in meetings but it’s just gibberish to most.
This is a failure of government to communicate clearly
Or you could say it's been managed well, cause the voice in the country at this very minute is very clearly in favour of extremely draconian measures. Would that have been the case 2 weeks or even a week ago? I doubt it very much tbh.
The government message has been getting more and more serious day by day, they aren't panicking.
I know people like yourself will ignore the above but its fairly obvious if you look beyond personal hatred for johnson and the desire to criticise the gov with every word uttered.
seosamh77
SubscriberOr you could say it’s been managed well, cause the voice in the country at this very minute is very clearly in favour of extremely draconian measures.
Less severe measures could have been effective if they'd been transmitted well and delivered on time. The goal isn't to get up to maximum clampdown- the goal was to reduce the spread of infection.
To be fair on ‘the public’ we were told that we should go for walks in parks & forests , national trust even opened for free
I don’t know about you, but if I left the house to get exercise in a local park and noticed there were already a shitload of people doing the same I’d go home. I’m not even that smart either.
I’ve stuck to the house and garden since last Tuesday. A lot of people need to get their heads out of their arses and realise that staying in and away from others is the best thing to do. I’d be all for enforcement at this stage regardless of who’s currently in government.
Cassa del kimbers is chaos today
wife is stressing about kids missing school & falling behind,
I wouldn’t worry - when they all eventually go back they will have to cover all missed work again as loads won’t have don’t any, loads won’t understand it etc etc.
Yes do some work, but I would focus more on fun stuff and feed in academic stuff where you can.
funkmasterp
I don’t know about you, but if I left the house to get exercise in a local park and noticed there were already a shitload of people doing the same I’d go home. I’m not even that smart either.
yip, it's not rocket science.
If the announcement at 20.30 isn't of a full lockdown I would be flabbergasted. The general public have shown themselves to be unable to act responsibly so this is the only course of action left.
Any posties on the thread? Have you been told to wear protection? Postwoman today had no gloves on and a handful of paper and cardboard from all over the country.
Would that have been the cast 2 weeks or even a week ago? I doubt it very much tbh.
If the Sunday times article is to be believed (& I do believe it) then this cunning plan is nothing of the sort...
And yes I confess my judgement may be cloided by my long held belief that the Tories & their austerity have ground down the NHS & healthcare over the last 10 years & that Johnson is a lying self serving douchebag...
PM’s address is at 20:30 tonight.
Catch you then.
The general public have shown themselves to be unable to act responsibly so this is the only course of action left.
Sections of the general public - it's not everyone by any means
Any posties on the thread? Have you been told to wear protection? Postwoman today had no gloves on and a handful of paper and cardboard from all over the country.
I haven't seen anyone, supermarkets, petrol stations, anywhere, wearing gloves. Have you?.
8:30 Announcement - what I've heard is going to be announced:
Ban on Tuesdays.
Rationing of the letter g and number 9.
Everyone has to keep moving at at least walking speed in daylight hours.
Only essential whistling allowed (no tunes).
Ban on Tuesdays.
Is this one of these new programs they're going to do to keep us informed and entertained?
I was rather hoping for the return of Why Don't You? the indoors edition.
And there's some merit to the argument that a softly approach might help win over support for a longer term lockdown, but tbh the videos from Italy & Spain should be doing that & the last weekend of people congregating on crowds could well mean 1000s of extra cases
Don't want to sound a negative note, but I've just had 'the chat' with the girls (nearly 17 and almost 14 respectively).
Something I was holding off on for hopefully another 20 years, but we live in surprising times and it definitely pays to be ready.
The overwhelming likelihood is that myself and my wife, late 40s/early 50s, both fairly fit people, and everyone else we know will get through all this- demographically we’re in that camp. But we never really know, so later this week each of them will get an envelope with What to Do and Who To Speak To in the event its necessary. Its scary but necessary.
Anyway- all I wanted to say was: make a will, and make sure you know where your loved ones can find it. Because we just never know.
Anyone know if the bars in the Palace of Westminster are still open?
I haven’t seen anyone, supermarkets, petrol stations, anywhere, wearing gloves. Have you?
Yep. Probably 1/3 of Asda shoppers and all the staff; pizza delivery guy; me picking up a parcel; B&Q staff last week.
We're all using gloves at work, most of our customers are too. Most likely a supply issue in a lot of places.
Half measures from Johnson ffs get the full lockdown done and stop dither and delay
Nothing in Johnson's measures that my household is not already doing - same for most people I imagine.
It's useful as an unambiguous message and powers of enforcement on the dicks who have been taking the piss
Half measures from Johnson ffs get the full lockdown done and stop dither and delay
Very hard to police. Hell, what he's just announced is very hard to police.
Is it just me or does it look like he's not slept in a week? About time he did some work and took some accountability.
Half measures from Johnson ffs get the full lockdown done and stop dither and delay
What would be full measures?
That is a full lockdown surely? Same as Italy and France and stricter than Germany?
Quite. Who is keeping check on how often you go out? The point is, it’s now an instruction so nobody can say it’s just advice they can choose to ignore.
Can someone clarify 'travel to and from work unless absolutely necessary'. I'm pretty sure almost all employers will class their work as absolutely necessary given no specific definition.
Full lockdown only key workers going to work, you can go out once to exercise (how many pisstakers will go out once several times a day) get the cops on the street and stop everyone.
I have an MOT booked in tomorrow... Is that essential?! Shall I just rebook for 3 weeks time.
Just watching the news now, looking at the Italy/uk graphs on death rates and when they occurred etc. When did Italy implement similar measures to what we just have? Are we ahead of Italy in that or are we in the same creek, with a similar amount of propulsion equipment.
^^^^
Like the Clampdown link. The last few days of WFH has allowed me to revisit a lot of the music I listened to when I worked in that London nearly 20 years ago. Loads of public transport and train journeys spent listening to tunes whilst gazing out of the window....
Clash, Jam and Toots and the Maytals have been featuring prominently.
Can someone clarify ‘travel to and from work unless absolutely necessary’. I’m pretty sure almost all employers will class their work as absolutely necessary given no specific definition
Detail will probably follow - that is how these things usually work
Can someone clarify ‘travel to and from work unless absolutely necessary’. I’m pretty sure almost all employers will class their work as absolutely necessary given no specific definition.
s'what i was wundrin.....has he told all the self-employed builders/plasterers/painters/plumbers etc to stay at home or was that not mentioned?
might have missed it but seemed a bit woolly to me....
So alternate days I will do a 6 mile loop to Sainsbury’s. I can live with that for a while. Beer gets delivered if I want any and my business is dead so no need to commute. Time to practice the guitar and build a website.
Good stuff.
It's how we're rolling in this household anyway, so no change.
almost all employers will class their work as absolutely necessary given no specific definition.
Definition currently being drawn up
I'm hoping "medical need" includes trips to the Vets.
Beer gets delivered
will home deliveries/courier drivers still be allowed to work?