they’re just choosing to carry on anyway, and will take the consequences.
Too bad that we will also be taking the consequences 🙂
dannyh
SubscriberProbably bin dun, but…..
Cock…..
Womble.
He is... But it's ineffectual "leadership" that allows it/encourages it. Johnston was asked to condemn Tim Martin's comments and refused...
I think part of it is that there's so little food anywhere. Stockpiling has happened so the shelves are bare. This has panicked everyone else into going shopping because they may run out or because they also want to stockpile. This means everyone is at the shops but there's not a lot to buy so everyone goes back the next day and the next and the next....
We've taken ourselves into a situation where you have to be socially distant to stop the spread of it but you have to be in a massive queue at the shops every day.
People are stupid.
used to visit northwich park hospital quite a lot (work related)
looks like they having the same issues as northern italian hospitals
Agreed, the worst thing is that there is no shortages at all. The supermarkets just haven't been able to increase supply to the same level as demand.
In Bury there is meat, long-life milk, eggs back on the shelves, which were all gone mid-week. No bog roll to be seen though!
Matt
Update:
Roadworks still ongoing on the M27, where groups of workers huddled together certainly are not keeping safe distance from anyone. And continuing to work as normal.
Bunches of kids coming out of school in groups playing and tagging each other. Again, not keeping safe distance from each other.
What ever message you lot have been reading or trying to force on others simply isn't working because the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures we've seen this Govt push on it's populace.
This experiment in social engineering isn't working.
What is working is people are realising WFH is a viable option, the internet still functions and the capacity is there. That some people act responsible enough to know when we see the panic and outrage that some of you possess that we simply laugh at you.
#nottrollingjustsayingitasitis
The Coylumbridge story was on R4 this morning. In normal times that level of exposure would be highly embarrassing, but I reckon it will just get lost in all the noise. A coronavirus shit list should be kept.
The missus was in town earlier and guess what.....yep Spoons was absolutely rammed with students (awesome work as they'll soon go back home and take it with them) and your usual pillocks. These buggers are the ones who'll get us fully locked down.
All I really want is to be able to go out for family (well, household) walks with the kids (keeping distance from others we may meet) and ride my bike on my tod when I can grab the chance. None of that is even an amber risk on the WHO guidance yet the stupid bastards (again) are going to **** up the few things that we might be allowed to do but for their bellendery.
****, ****, ****, ****. Aaaaaaargh!
never really had bikerbouy down as one of the dicks previously
Really?
Well the sentiment is taken on board and ignored.
You lot need to log out and go get some fresh air.
This experiment in social engineering isn’t working.
Please go back to reading Alex Jones/infowars.
we simply laugh at you
That’s fine. If I lose a family member, can I come and take you out?
#friendlyhashtagmeansnothing
how are others getting on with their older folk??
My mum and her other half have come round to the idea now. The club they are part of has shut its clubhouse, they’ve not gone to a funeral today and decided to cancel her choir committee meeting this week.
It did take her a bit longer to be convinced about cancelling the cleaner she’d just booked though.
The old folk around here seem to be enjoying walks in the sun around the streets and on the beach, mostly just in couples.
The local garden centre café was rammed with them yesterday, including car fills arriving together.
What ever message you lot have been reading or trying to force on others simply isn’t working because the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures we’ve seen this Govt push on it’s populace.
Errrrr, I can't force anyone to do anything, the facts do warrant such measures and the government isn't pushing anything much on its populace which is the heart of the problem and why hospitals will saturate; Northwich Park ran out of space last night and within a few days it'll be like Italy in London hospitals.
Your head is in the sand but we can all see the part of you that sticking in the air, Bikebouy.
Seems odd – if the motive is to limit infection, is it not more effective to ban commuting by train or bus?
If it is to limit unnecessary hospitalisations, is it not more effective to ban driving or reduce speed limits?But I appreciate you have to go in hard – it’s in people’s nature to take the piss, and you’d just get MAMILs doing 100km loops to get to work with their employer’s permission letter safely in their jersey pocket.
Unless I missed it (and I mean that genuinely) then airborne outside is a very low risk.
So long as you don't touch someone or cycle through a load of airborne spittle you breath in everything I read seems to indicate its sticking fingers in mouth/nose eyes ... unless someone coughs right on you.
That's not saying airborne isn't a vector... but my understanding was the overwhelming major vector for transmission is touch. This is all non-UK (WHO etc.) I'm reading.
This of course flies in the face of some policies that seem determined to necessitate more frequent trips to the supermarket than necessary...
That was the assumption, up to very recently … but we’re learning fast … the fresh French actions are based on cases in Italy and Spain suggesting beaches and cycling being linked to transmission, I believe.
Bunches of kids coming out of school in groups playing and tagging each other. Again, not keeping safe distance from each other.
What ever message you lot have been reading or trying to force on others simply isn’t working because the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures we’ve seen this Govt push on it’s populace.
You keep coming out with this stuff & I don't really understand what it is you think you are seeing or trying to prove: Personally I take it that you are witnessing people who seem ignorant of the seriousness of the situation potentially transmitting a dangerous desease. What exactly are you expecting from a virus which is capable of asymptomatic transmission and an incubation period of 5 days. People touching each other and immediately keeling over with viral pneumonia, some sort of flashing laser display as the virus passes from one person to the next?
If you are trying to tell us that government interventions have failed and we need to move on to mandatory restrictions then you are succeeding very well.
the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures
Guess these folks are just kidding, then ...
That some people act responsible enough to know when we see the panic and outrage that some of you possess that we simply laugh at you.
That is now on the interwebs forever against your name. Good work!
How many packets of bog roll are you sat on there? 20? 30?
I watched at least part of the first three live Boris streams on the BBC, didn't bother yesterday and I'm not sure I can be bothered today... It's all soundbites without pro-active action, just like the other thing he championed.
I watched at least part of the first three live Boris streams on the BBC, didn’t bother yesterday and I’m not sure I can be bothered today… It’s all soundbites without pro-active action, just like the other thing he championed.
He was back to his "jolly japes" routine yesterday.
He tried "Serious Crisis Leader" for three days and got bored.
We really deserve better leadership.
Wishy washy responses from #LiarJohnson and as for this "I've looked in my crystal ball and we'll be done with this in 12 weeks" then you lot wonder why some of the the public behave as they do. It's called "no confidence" in a Government that thinks it knows best.
I live in the same county as bikebouy, it's the one with the most number of confirmed cases after London. Have still had to do my normal shopping, no panic buying here although shops are busier than normal and nobody is keeping their distance when queuing. Noticed one elderly person with a mask.
We need strong leadership and a Government that actually gives a flying fig about the electorate. Call for (another) General Election.
Personally I take it that you are witnessing people who seem ignorant of the seriousness of the situation
Exactly my point.
You lot raging about how dangerous this thing is, the total severity etc. Etc. Just isn’t doing anything for anyone.
You are shouting at a black hole no-one is interested in listening to.
By all means carry on the rage, it’s funny to see functioning humans react in the manner you are when people all around you just see some social media addicts ranting.
Go rant at those Grannies in the Queue at the post office this morning, or the kids tagging and hugging each other as they came out of school. Or the ground workers on the M27 sharing fags in a huddle.
S’pose no-one wants to hear that message to their faces so social media is your vent trumpet..
🤷♂️💨
without pro-active action,
Bars, theatres, clubs, leisure centres etc to be forced to shut. Grants for ANY employers to keep workers on, 80% of salaries to be paid by govt, up to £2500 a month, if required.
And there you go in one fell swoop they've just demonstrated full blown MMT. (it was always coming.)
Shame it's taken this to prove it.
I do wonder how the HMRC will deal with that though.
S’pose no-one wants to hear that message to their faces so social media is your vent trumpet.
Get with the times Grandad. Social media is what sets the agenda.
& also. You were the one who said 'quite rightly' I take it you think transmitting the virus is a good idea.
Is it just me or was that more Primeministerial than the Prime Minister?
No-one raging, no-one shouting, just you ranting, Bikebouy. Anything informed to add?
The graphs point more and more to the UK following the Italian experience. The UK is now where Italy was on 6/3/2020, three days before their confinement. The UK situation is no longer comparable with France or Spain, both of which had already imposed home confinement on the population by the stage the UK is at now. The lack of testing in the UK means the UK may be even further along the path to hospital saturation than the published numbers suggest.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
vent trumpet
Yawn.
Wow BB. Do you reckon you should maybe get a check up mate?
You seem to be dismissing people's concerns (admittedly some more panicky than the majority who are pretty rational) on the basis that you saw some people not listening the advice of a weak and ponderous Government. So rather than take any notice of the social media lot, you're more comforted by school kids and road diggers?
I'm not sure what your point is still. Are you saying because some people you saw are ignoring advice that all is well in the world or that seeing old grannies diligently queues for stuff given you a comforting glow?
I think most people's concerns lie with the lack of any leadership in this country and the f*** it we'll be alright cos we won the war attitude. It's both incompetent and reckless in the extreme. Stick around a couple of weeks then go back to this page of the thread. Then maybe we can pick up a sensible conversation eh?
I'm reading from some of my colleagues in London that ITU's are already having to move patients to other hospitals. This usually only ever happens in severe critical incidents like 7/7. We are still in the early days of this and things are going to heat up pretty quickly now. Nobody will be arguing about the seriousness of this in a couple of weeks. The UK government has screwed up any potential warning period it had but there's nothing we can do now. We're all just going to need to ride this wave now.
but my understanding was the overwhelming major vector for transmission is touch.
Its one of the transmission vectors but mostly it's airborne , the virus latches into ACE proteins and those are all over your body, including your nose and GIT. It's also faecally transmitted (upto 40% of the "unknown sources" in China it's reckoned) and via blood (rare) overwhelming numbers of cases is airborne though.
It's also thought some young kids are supershedders for upto 32 days after infection (with no symptoms)
Bojo the Bumbling **** Wit.
Sunak with the clear answers.
Politics aside lets have him each day please.
https://twitter.com/robertjenrick/status/1241050795849797632?s=21
Makes sense. Not about panicking. Just cutting off the spread so that the health service can cope (the lag may mean that this is a week too late to avoid hospitals being overloaded, but better late than never).
At the end of all this, anyone who resisted the social distancing measures needs to think about the health care professionals that would otherwise have survived if the public had acted to stop the spread when asked to, rather than having to be made to.
Bojo the Bumbling **** Wit.
Sunak with the clear answers.
Politics aside lets have him each day please.
I think BoJo has handled well. I understand him clearly.
Is it just me or was that more Primeministerial than the Prime Minister?
He's impressed me this last week. Hope he continues.
There’s so much hysteria on this thread it’s like the worst mother’s group on Facebook. Embarrassing. Sit tight, the politicising and ranting is ridiculous! Stay safe folks.
I think BoJo has handled well. I understand him clearly.
Frankly, I agree.
Strange isn’t it… the PM has allowed his JR to make all the real announcements, while he looks and sounds like he’s just hand waving… perhaps he’s already looking to step aside later.
There’s so much hysteria on this thread
Which bit? Those calling for:
- pub closures rather than vague advice to stay away from them?
- school closures rather than acting like kids can’t spread this?
- direct wage/income help from the government for the employees of businesses hit?
- cancellation of large events like football matches?
All now happening.
Strange isn’t it… the PM has allowed his JR to make all the real announcements, while he looks and sounds like he’s just hand waving… perhaps he’s already looking to step aside later.
Crikey 🙄
There’s so much hysteria on this thread it’s like the worst FATHER'S group on Facebook.
FTFY
Edit: let's leave sexism out of this eh?
You lot raging about how dangerous this thing is, the total severity etc. Etc. Just isn’t doing anything for anyone.
I'm not raging, merely providing facts based on analysis. The facts are that the healthcare system in the UK is already running at high capacity and is faced with a challenge. That challenge is the spread of a contagion that may offer further stress to the system. Currently in the UK, cases and deaths attributed to this agent are doubling every 2 days. Intervention on a population level is required to slow that doubling rate.
Sadly most people are only able to think on linear scales - it's why they are surpried by compound interest and how pensions work. Epidemic spread is non-linear and on a logarithmic scale. If we reduce contacts, this can reduce the problem to a linear one. That may lead to sufficiently few cases as not to completely swamp the health service. This has not been the case in North Italy.
One acts now to prevent things later. When the factor you are trying to prevent is compounded exponentially, predictions can appear wildly over-pessimistic But the number of critical care beds is not in doubt, and even conservative predictions show that they will be challenged.
🤦 guess what all the pubs on my social media are posting... something on the lines of...
We’re shutting, not sure for how long, come and have 1 last night out!
guess what all the pubs on my social media are posting… something on the lines of…
We’re shutting, not sure for how long, come and have 1 last night out!
same here. draught beer £1 a pint. itll be rammed later :-/
If it continues to double every 2 days we’ll have 128x more deaths/cases in just 14 days. If the ICUs are getting close to full now it will be ugly.
I think the flattening the peak has nothing to do with NHS capacity more making sure they can dispose of the bodies.
Very, very welcome:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241066719147425793?s=21
(Even though it doesn’t include me).
I think the flattening the peak has nothing to do with NHS capacity more making sure they can dispose of the bodies.
They kind of go hand in his, the NHS capacity being reduced means less fatalities. Again this was made clear in earlier press conferences.