You’ve just answered your own question. It buys time, at least in theory
Time ? 2 maybe 3 weeks till the more fortunate workers have burnt through their contingency funds and things start getting really messy ?
That's after the huge swathes of the poopulation who have no contingency have turned to canabalism. ....
It’s a shame that we don’t have a world leading centre dedicated in part to this, that the government could call upon if they were halfway competent.
Hint: We do, it’s called The Turing Institute.
Yes, but expert bodies that are impartial and just interested in the truth come up with answers that make authority look stupid more often than not.
I have this a lot at my workplace (do you want the ‘right’ answer or the correct one?”
That’s after the huge swathes of the poopulation who have no contingency have turned to canabalism. ….
Going to be interesting to see if the government has the appetite for food parcels or coupons if it ever went that far sideways. The whole concept of giving and not getting back will be a bit alien. How you feed your population in a quarantined planet is going to be a challenge. Oh but we can do credits won't cut it, there isn't going to be enough people to process the claims.
I have this a lot at my workplace (do you want the ‘right’ answer or the correct one?”
Isn't the whole of market research and consultancy based on that?
100 yards from my house and I’m on the slope of the mountain. There’s plenty forest to disappear into.
If there’s a lockdown, I’ll be bikepacking for 4 months.
If they look serious about doing it, I’ll put the gear together, and I’ll be out the door. The family can do food drops for me.
Basic fail from you here. Priti Patel would be in charge of the efforts to track you down.
Easiest, most effective and in-keeping option would be to arrest your family and ‘persuade’ them to ‘assist’ with finding you.
You could then be ‘shot whilst trying to escape’. Nice and clean, no witnesses.
You need to think more about this.
This fella doesn’t seem impressed.
Hint: We do, it’s called The Turing Institute.
And they're the ones asking to see the governments workings out
Yup.
They shouldn't even be having to ask, if this were a case of the government simply drip feeding us, they'd have been in consultation with bodies like that already. They haven't been.
Useless is an understatement.
molgrips
SubscriberNo we are being drip-fed to create appetite for the measures.
Yep, I find reducing faith in the government and creating massive confusion with contradictory advice is always a great way to create an appetite for the u-turn measures.
Yep, I find reducing faith in the government and creating massive confusion with contradictory advice is always a great way to create an appetite for the u-turn measures.
It's worked for them already. Twice.
dannyh
Basic fail from you here. Priti Patel would be in charge of the efforts to track you down.
Damn, I didn't realise I was high profile enough for that. As punishment I'd probably be sentenced to a stretch as a Civil Servant in the Home Office.
Oh, hold on, just realised I'm in Scotland with a sane govt who simply ask that we remain sensible and avoid too much contact.
Phew! 🙂
Well, the appeal from retailers to stop panic buying seems to have worked...Waitrose looks like it has been ram-raided
Time ? 2 maybe 3 weeks till the more fortunate workers have burnt through their contingency funds and things start getting really messy ?
Which is why governments are going to need to step in with some form of universal bailout for businesses and/or citizens. If they don't it'll cause economic collapse and that will be just as destructive as the virus. The few 10s of billions the chancellor offered in the budget is going to peanuts compared to the final figure.
Well, the appeal from retailers to stop panic buying seems to have worked…
The inevitable result of spreading rumours via leaks to journalists rather than upfront and officially informing the public. If you think you might be under house arrest for 4 months from some indefinite date in the near future, then it's perfectly logical to rush out and stock up supplies you think you'll need. I'm glad I went shopping yesterday.
On the topic of ramping up ventilator production, is somebody clever having a serious stab at coming up with an agreed upon open source approach? I'm thinking raspberry pi to control it with software that the government or WHO endorses, stuff like rubber tubing from B&Q or whatever, and plans that work with a hobbyists 3d printer for the niggly bits. What is left that's needed? I'm guessing a standardised motor that's powerful enough, plus valves?
Shoot me down if it is a ridiculous idea but interested to know what components we couldn't source quickly.
Dazh missing the entire point.
Even with funding, who is doing the deliveries to keep folk fed?
How do you protect those people and everyone else from each other?
What if you can't afford to stock up in the first place?
Paranoia? It wasn't until I'd started driving I realised that a coffee I'd bought from a Motoways Services today had its lid put on and pushed down with the palm of the servers hand.
I didn't touch it.
Can everyone make sure they have read this letter before posting, ta.
https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response
This one is a bit scary, in an “America First” sort of a way…
https://www.ft.com/content/cf7ec42a-66bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3
Donald Trump is an asshole shocker...
Even with funding, who is doing the deliveries to keep folk fed?
Volunteers would be able to manage that. It’s something I’ve already considered doing if it really came down to it.
There’s enough white vans in this country that final mile delivery shouldn’t be a problem in itself.
If **** is really hitting the fan the rest of the supply chain network already exists so you just have those volunteers handling the final delivery straight from the supermarkets. Which also means you can ration with food parcels.
That’s before you get onto the delivery networks that will see a big downturn in business due to us all buying less junk from Amazon.
I’m more worried that food won’t be arriving as imports.
There really is an opportunity here for China to bring Europe away from the USA.
China agrees to supply Italy with 10000 mechanical respirators
Trump tries to steal your Scientists
From Ireland:
https://twitter.com/darreneuronews/status/1239241232309764102?s=21
That is a huge deal, in this of all weeks.
China agrees to supply Italy with 10000 mechanical respirators
<pedantry>They’re ventilators. Respirators are gas masks</pedantry>
IIRC Mindray are Chinese.
Other ventilator manufacturers:
Dräger - Germany
GE - Finland (for some reason)
Hamilton - Switzerland
Not sure about Maquet or Puritan Bennett; the Philips Respironics one never came to market IIRC.
@Fueled Most of the ones on the market are driven by a turbine (if I remember correctly they run constantly producing bias flow, and then speed up for inspiration, with expiration being passive), difficulty would probably be accurate pressure, flow and oxygen measurement, especially when it comes to weaning and spontaneous modes, e.g. PSV.
One for all the “what can the government do during a temporary economic constriction due to a pandemic?” defeatist posters…
https://twitter.com/economics/status/1239225201067515904?s=21
@piemonster No probs, it’s just making my pedantry twitch.
Don’t get me started on the ‘intensive care’ vs ‘intensive therapy’ debate, or refer to it as ‘crit care’ which makes my skin crawl
(For the absence of doubt, it’s intensive care, as in the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine)
Damn, I didn’t realise I was high profile enough for that.
Out of context you aren't, but if you were the first you would be made an example of. Pour decourager les autres.
Remember it is Cum-Dom-Blo-Jo we are talking about here. It is all about the message and bugger all to do with substance.
We’ve had to break the news to my 90yo dad that he soon might not be able to visit my mum who is in a care home, for potentially four months. He’s so stubborn he would probably try to make the trip but I suspect the home would turn him away at the door.
Oh, and Cum-Dom-Blo-Jo will never let Scotland secede meaningfully.
It's not that they like you or want to keep you, but it will be jolly embarrassing having a successful EU member state on the northern border. Especially as that state would formally have been part of the Reich.
One for all the “what can the government do during a temporary economic constriction due to a pandemic?”
I'm amazed business as usual is still being pursued. How can it for much longer? How long before stock markets are indefinitely suspended? Negative interest rates? Freezing of assets? New laws to control profiteering. Temporary ban of evictions and repossessions. Suspension of laws governing business solvency. Suspension of mortgage and bill repayments? I doubt anything is off the table.
Just spoke to my 72 year old mum, who announced she was going on a coach trip tomorrow 🤦.
Took me and my sister (a nurse) a while to explain why this might be a bad idea.
I live in Ilkley (sometimes referred to as gods waiting room)Loads of old people milling around town in the cafes and shops with no second thought. Tragically, this is just going to jump on them all out of nowhere like Spain and Italy.
Local supermarket in Copenhagen was completely normal today, nothing sold out except hand sanitiser
Tragically, this is just going to jump on them all out of nowhere like Spain and Italy.
Many of those least likely to change their routines may well be those most at risk. As the government moves from “let it spread to gain completely theoretical herd immunity”, to, “lock down for the elderly”, it’s not going to win them over to the changes required. Such mixed messages will just result in, “they don’t know what they’re doing, it’s all a load of stuff and nonsense”.
Took me and my sister (a nurse) a while to explain why this might be a bad idea.
Spoke to my dad today who has Type 2 diabetes, mum with COPD. He said it's ok, they don't go anywhere apart from the supermarket and him to the golf club. Said if there's a lock down that he'll only go to the shops. Told him he might not be allowed to leave the house and that he should plan how to get supplies delivered to them, to which he replied, 'they can't do that, we're not a totalitarian state'. I don't think the penny has dropped yet. At least it means he didn't rush off to the supermarket with everyone else.
Has anyone else been looking at DIY alternatives to off the shelf hand sanitizer? I appreciate washing hands is optimum but for out and about hand cleaning it would be good to hear what all you budding Breaking Bad chefs are upto. Cheers
Look back in this thread. Although your basic ingredient (IPA) is now more expensive and harder to obtain as well.
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bigjim
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Local supermarket in Copenhagen was completely normal today, nothing sold out except hand sanitiser
As it was in my local co-op in Devon last night. I even bought some toilet roll (only the posh stuff mind, panic only seems to stretch so far). No own brand paracetamol seemed to be the only shortage.
In Berkshire I couldnt get any yeast to make pizza today!! No bog roll, no pasta, very little tinned goods, no hand sanitizer.
Has anyone else been looking at DIY alternatives to off the shelf hand sanitizer? I appreciate washing hands is optimum but for out and about hand cleaning it would be good to hear what all you budding Breaking Bad chefs are upto. Cheers
Google 'WHO hand sanitizer recipe'.
Basic things you need are glycerol/glycerine (baking section of supermarket, you don't need much) and 99% Isopropyl Alcohol.
dazh
SubscriberSpoke to my dad today who has Type 2 diabetes, mum with COPD. He said it’s ok, they don’t go anywhere apart from the supermarket and him to the golf club. Said if there’s a lock down that he’ll only go to the shops. Told him he might not be allowed to leave the house and that he should plan how to get supplies delivered to them, to which he replied, ‘they can’t do that, we’re not a totalitarian state’. I don’t think the penny has dropped yet. At least it means he didn’t rush off to the supermarket with everyone else.
My mum has COPD and is pretty close to housebound, I'd set myself up to be her only contact and cut my own contact with others to get as much barrier as I can... She's booked her hairdresser to come over tomorrow because "she needs her hair washed". Parents eh
Cool, was just checking to see what other folk are doing. I've gone down the ethanol route which is still widely available from B&Q for £7 for 2litres at 95%!
Couldn't you just wash them with soap?
Has anyone else been looking at DIY alternatives to off the shelf hand sanitizer? I appreciate washing hands is optimum but for out and about hand cleaning it would be good to hear what all you budding Breaking Bad chefs are upto. Cheers
Seen recipe with 2/3 99% alcohol to 1/3 aloe vera gel, which seems simple but my experience is that trying to mix aloe vera gel produces a thick snotty mess - not sure why!
Dunblane - docs a staff member confirmed, pupil and parent at high school confirmed, parent at one of the primary schools confirmed, local football coach confirmed.
I'm assuming that everywhere else is on a similar level of cases.
Stay safe folks.
I’m assuming that everywhere else is on a similar level of cases.
Who knows, testing has stopped as far as early warning goes.
