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I can’t see why someone’s sexuality is apparently a “skeleton in the closet”
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It's something they can attack them on later. Claim bias or such.
awaits the outraged Tories demanding Patel resigns...........
I know its nit the same but worst possible timing for the Sturgeon haters!
Or let's not talk about the Westminster government spending £1million trying to avoid a judicial review into the PPE tendering process
No SNP Baaad!
SQUIRREL!!
There’s a certain type of Englander that gets his or her Fanny full of sand when it comes to Sturgeon. And I love her for it. 😀
You've just described the entire readership of the Daily Mail 😆 They hate her as much as Harry and Megan.
NS is definitely damaged now
That'll be why SNP membership is up thousands overnight then?
@dovebiker yes that caught me by surprise a bit. I'm pleased that there has been such a reaction to her evidence session though I am not sure why, perhaps people reacted to the unfair treatment she gets in the media. For me as a long time indy supporter and an SNP member there are many things that NS should have sorted in her time as leader, eg her husbands position he should have moved on quickly after she was elected leader. Internal party democracy has also been damaged, and many members are frustrated about the current strategy on getting a referendum.
Or did you mean no obvious male successor? The misogyny is strong in this thread, I would start a “where is the Nicola Sturgeon thread” thread as it seems wrong and ironic that we are discussing her in Salmond’s thread. But I have to go to work!
No I simply meant no obvious credible successor - I personally would like to see Kate Forbes as FM but she’s only held one senior cabinet position and for a short time; and only cos her predecessor got the heave ho. It’s quite a leap from Finance Secretary for a year or so, to FM. In fact I predicted to myself that she might end up as the next FM but that was before the current debacle, which might bring forward a change.
Compare it to Nicola who had been in Education and whatever Enterprise was called that month, and Dep first min for 7 yrs. The only people I can think of with that sort of exposure are Swinney and Humza. I think the bookies were backing Humza, I’m not sure if that’s any better than Angus Robertson who I guess does have broad coverage and plenty of years experience - but has not been in government as such (it’s not like an opposition coming in who can just blame the other party). Joanna Cherry would probably be the other name to crop up. She might be popular with the party faithful but she’s not a vote winner.
You can start a NS thread if you want but since this is talking about the AS debacle I’m not sure there’s much point in doing it somewhere else. If salmond wasn’t a chauvinist there wouldn’t even be a thread.
@dovebiker yes that caught me by surprise a bit. I’m pleased that there has been such a reaction to her evidence session though I am not sure why, perhaps people reacted to the unfair treatment she gets in the media.
Does seem strange - I did wonder if people were smelling a leadership election and getting their chance to vote in (either for NS or someone else).
Yeah 5000 new SNP members in 24 hrs is a bit fishy
Be interesting to see what the indy polling says in the coming weeks
There was a wee propeller plane flying over Edinburgh with a #resignsturgeon banner today.
Wtf?
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There was a wee propeller plane flying over Edinburgh with a #resignsturgeon banner today.Wtf?
I remember seeing "Vote Brexit" banner on the day of the ref flying over Milton Keynes, it gave me a bad feeling at the time
I dont think Sturgeon has to worry though
#resignsturgeon
I suspect she’ll be resigned in May on a new 5 year contract!
Whats the verdict on Sturgeons evidence? I thought she got the tone right and apologised for errors but rather too much convenient memory lapses.
Even the anti scotland anti snp media are having difficulty nailing her for anything that came out of the day
To me it all depends on the report from the committee. Just a flesh wound on her so far and IMO she did rather better than Salmond but a critical report could still do for her
She's done well saying that victims of Salmonds abuse have been let down, it keeps salmond looking the shady one.
She managed 8hrs of questioning often looking much more clued up than those questioning her
Latest evidence that scot gov pressed on against legal advice for 3? weeks or so is bad, but not damming, her memory lapses were not convincing.
What's really saved her is that in the last week Patel has wasted £370k of taxpayers money on her own legal farce
Johnson was found to have lied to the commons about disclosure of PPE contracts, despite a court order.
Johnsons spent 200k on a designer refit of No 10, 2.5 million on a propaganda centre for Allegra Stratton
The Tories have picked a fight with nurses they just spent a year idolising...
Ultimately
Corruption at Westminster has made a tricky job for her that much easier
victims of Salmonds abuse
Sorry, did I miss that trial?
Sorry, did I miss that trial?
Seriously?
And then folk wonder why abuse vitims have a hard time coming forward.
Abuse isn't subject to a criminal test you know.
He was found not guilty though.
If you want to be subject to the law then what's the point in ignoring it when it doesn't go your way?.
And that's from someone who cannae stand him.
Salmond was found not guilty of a criminal offense.
Now I know its the court of public opinion but enough people have come forward with credible stories of him being a groper that I for one accept he is.
His own admitted behaviour is enough to label him a groper.
Edit - of course Sturgeon must have know this and to some extent enabled his behaviour by ignoring it.
That was my point
By saying his accusers had been failed & emphasising it more than once, attention is drawn to salmonds reprehensible (if not illegal) behaviour, Sturgeon is putting herself on the side of those accusers.
Helping re-enforce a narrative that she was concerned only with taking down a sexual predator etc
In the midst of the metoo moment, being seen to aggressively ditch sleazy salmond by any means isn't necessarily a bad position
She's a canny operator
By saying his accusers had been failed & emphasising it more than once, attention is drawn to salmonds reprehensible (if not illegal) behaviour, Sturgeon is putting herself on the side of those accusers.
Pity she didn't ensure the discipline process was lawful then.
Shame the notes of a meeting between Sturgeon and the lawyers have been "lost" or we might know more about her actions rather than her rhetoric.
"The Government's claimed it had no minutes of a key meeting at which the First Minister and her officials discussed the case with the external lawyers."
enough people have come forward with credible stories of him being a groper
Name one.
Pity she didn’t ensure the discipline process was lawful then.
That’s not her responsibility - the screwed-up investigation is down to the Permanent Secretary, a civil servant. It’s only the media and people who don’t understand how Governments work who are trying to blame her. The legal case was fatally damaged by other’s decisions like the selection of the investigation officer - nothing to do with Sturgeon who quite rightly would have been keeping an arm’s length on proceedings.
nothing to do with Sturgeon who quite rightly would have been keeping an arm’s length on proceedings.
Or not, as the case may be lol.
There is quite a legit argument to say she should have nothing to do with the investigation
But she was in charge, even if not directly at fault,?, she bears responsibility
This has damaged Sturgeons credibility, but she seems to have ridden it out
Whether it will really effect elections in May remains to be seen (Greens see that as the bigger picture & are backing her)
the reality is that corruption in Westminster right now provides her with plenty of cover
That’s not her responsibility – the screwed-up investigation is down to the Permanent Secretary, a civil servant.
The civil servant who cocked up the investigation then got her contract extended by Sturgeon?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leslie-evans-top-civil-servant-to-stay-until-2022-9hf7kqr8b
Sturgeons biggest mistake IMO was meeting with Salmond at all let alone being vague about what happened when. As soon as she knew the nature of the allegations she should have completely distanced herself from him.
One thing to consider - this shows the apparatus of state and the checks and balances at Holyrood working well. If this had been westminster neither of the investigations would have happened so publicly. The FM getting grilled live on camera?
One thing to consider – this shows the apparatus of state and the checks and balances at Holyrood working well.
You think? When the Lord Advocate censors committee evidence that is openly published elsewhere meaning the committee can't consider it.
When the Lord Advocate is both head of the legal system and a member of govt.
When the Lord Advocate giving evidence starts by telling MSPs that — unlike MPs — they are ‘punishable’ under the law for statements they may make in parliament. No parliamentary priveledge here.
When the Lord Advocate refuses to answer when asked if it is against the law to fail to comply with a search warrant.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-sturgeon-case-exposes-the-fatal-flaw-in-scottish-devolution
😂 😂 Trying to make an argument and quoting the Spectator as a reputable source, you may as well use the Daily Mail!
Trying to make an argument and quoting the Spectator as a reputable source,
I see you are not disputing anything in the article though.
The spectator article falls flat not because its wrong about what it says about Sturgeon (hyberbole aside)
But because pretty much every single point it raises, with faux outrage, exactly the same (& more) has been done by their bot Johnson, to which the cast a blind eye
Eg first point it raises- 'unimaginable' that the AG refused to comment on hypothetical crimes of msps, while Suella Braverman who advised Johnson to illegally break the law & lie to the Queen, then complained the supreme Court was politicising it!, she also tweeted in defence of cummings whilst a police investigation was ongoing
It doesnt put Sturgeon in the right but its laughable hypocrisy
It seems that a number of other countries use the same system as Scotland where the most senior legal officer is a minister of the government. USA and Australia to name a couple. The UK also ran with the very same system in place, regarding Scots law until the devolved parliament took over.
IIRC Alex Salmond split the two roles when he was FM. It was Nicola Sturgeon that reversed it.
Makes you think...
You're right @Scotroutes. Lord Advocate now sits on cabinet meetings but without any official status, which doesn't seem a good state of affairs to me.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16399053.snp-government-row-presence-lord-advocate-cabinet-meetings/
Hamilton inquiry clears Sturgeon. Conservative no confidence vote will fail tomorrow and their election plans lie in tatters because ‘SNP baaaad’ doesn’t exactly win over many voters unless you wear a bowler hat and an orange sash. Oh well, no doubt we’ll have plenty of vitriol on the BBC tonight.
vaccine bounce will help tories more than this, even if she had been found to have breached it
I don't think the vaccine bounce will help the tories much in Scotland. Sturgeon benefits from that as well
The tories are in trouble because the stuff they based their last few campaigns on has blown up in their faces. fishing being one. they won seats on the back of protecting the fishing and now its gone down the pan they are going to lose seats on the back of it
to be clear I think less of Sturgeon for all this. she made clear serious errors in judgement. Meeting Salmond at all was a huge mistake. meeting him multiple times without proper record looks poor indeed.
I understand and accept her reasons for doing so but that does not excuse a major blunder.
No one comes out of this looking good
I'm sure D Ross will be releasing his apology soon 👍🏻🤣
And the leaker from the committee clearly will resign
That’s brilliant ^
The Tory party were very quiet in their calls for resignation when Priti Patel was found to have breached ministerial code. Their hypocrisy is staggering.
Sarah Smith trending on twitter as well 😂
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Sarah%20Smith%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
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Are we going to have an inquiry into the leaks from the committee including the testimony to the sunday times?
Will Ross. Starmer, Johnson. Baillie be calling for the resignation of those who leaked? They have breached the code of conduct for MSPs whoever the leaker is