When I lived in the UK, I preferred to think of the M4 as being the Great Dividing Line, with Cambridge being a Small Outpost of Southern Civilisation in the Vast Northern Wilderness. Then I escaped...
What about supper?
Supper is toast and Jam in pyjamas whlie watching Doctor Who.
The North begins @ Chatsworth
Ah but supper can also mean dinner/tea - hence "Fish Supper", "Burns Supper" etc
now you're just over complicating things.
Ah but supper can also mean dinner/tea - hence "Fish Supper", "Burns Supper" etc
As mentioned earlier, Scotland has no right to be in this discussion 😉
i like saddles definition!
i bewilder spanish mates when i ask them round for tea (meaning evening meal) though, they know i like a cuppa but thats taking it too far
I'm sure we all live in the UK... no? Scotland is as much part of this conversation as England. Maybe the title should be "Where does the north of England start"...
where a Mille-Feuille becomes a Custard Slice
Where guacamole becomes mushy peas.
Forget the Barth/Bath dichotomy; the real locals pronounce it Baath.
I had friends from Manchester who were very annoyed to be introduced as "my friends from down south"
But people from Manchester get very annoyed at most things to do with their city's place in the world.
'Appen most northern Englanders would have seen the funny side.
Dan, let it go mate-they can't decide where the north* is never mind superfluous count(r)ies whose royalty united the whole lot
*probably the best bit
50km north of Aix en Provence. If someone from Lyon tells you is from the south of France he's a liar, or a dumb-ass
Zone 5
Do you like gravy?
If so, you're a northerner.
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pies-Prejudice-Search-Stuart-Maconie/dp/0091910226 ]this[/url] book discusses and never really discovers the answer.
highly reccomended
Where you can put gravy on your chips and not be laughed at. !
Gravy? On chips? Yuk.
I can't see that mixing well with the curry sauce and cheese.
that map of Northern Ireland has lumped Donegal in......oh dear
I was born in Surrey, spent my teens in N.London, Chester and Kelsall, studied in Sheffield, Hull and Warwick, now live back in Surrey.
Chester doesn't really feel like the North and Kelsall certainly didn't; Sheffield and Hull aren't much further North but felt like the real north t me....
anything north of the M4.
and to be honest I get irritated if I have to go anywhere north of exeter unless i'm flying from there.
I always draw the line somewhere around Chester>Grimsby. Anyone who thinks it's like uplinks "real north" signed image is in a world of denial and forgets the midlanders exist.
Still get confused now I live up here in Scotland, everywhere is south, other than the interesting stuff!
I think you need 3 categories, north, south and midlands
South – Up to about Oxford, but also including Milton Keynes, Bristol and Cambridge
Midlands – From there up to Stoke and Chesterfield
North – From there upwards
Simple!
It's to do with attitude as much as geography. By this measure, Cheshire is in the south (as it's a displaced home county) whereas Stoke is in the north. And when people say "south" I think they mean "south east". I live in Bristol - the accent, attitudes and culture don't have much to do with arguments advanced in north vs south debates.
North/South, its all a state of mind really.
A little test on where you are from though, what do you call this?
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Its a cob to me.
We use plates the other way round in the south.
when the road signs stop saying 'The North'.
so somewhere around Inverness?
😉
What, upside down?
They never taught me that at the public school I went to in Surrey.
Its a cob to me.
It's an ingredient to me 🙂
when the road signs stop saying 'The North'.so somewhere around Inverness?
Actually I think there is one heading north out of Inverness.
It's a barm cake.
south of the Tyne = the south
north of the Tyne = the North
Spot on.
that map of Northern Ireland has lumped Donegal in......oh dear
And it has most of southern Scotland as part of the north of England.
It's the Pie line innit... Up in the REAL North, the pies are... well... PIES. The further South you go the pies start getting smaller and taste more of fatty pork and you need a saw to get into them. Up in the REAL North you get Bridies, big as elephants lugs. Down South you get Pasties.8Op
That said, I had always thought that the English reckoned that anything north of Kings Cross was North, and south of Victoria was the South, or France... 😯 For us the north South divide is Stonehaven to Oban. Highlanders were up to the back of us and the Sassanachs were were out down the front.
The North is that part of England that would be better off by being part of South Scotland.
Basically anywhere with proper hills for mountain bike riding.
Down South you get Pasties
theres a sh"tload of people around this way that would argue with that!
If you can say "Education for the masses, not just the ruling classes" and make it rhyme you're from the North.
As a Scot I tend to view anything south of Glasgow as The South. However having lived in Cheshire and now Wiltshire and travelled widely in the UK I'd say anything north of Birmingham is The North.
The North of England starts at Lancaster/Sheffield (draw a line across, anything south of that is the Midlands... where the South starts I have no idea, I don't go there!)
From where I live the south of the UK starts at the Pentland Firth 😉
I forgot to explain why the North of England starts there - south of Lancaster it is deeply congested, flat and boring. North of there you have ace pubs, hills and proper people. Mostly. Except ex-pat Southerners who move up and buy "quaint" cottages then throw a wobbly at everyone for living how they always have in the area cos it isn't how they expected people to live/work/behave/drive/talk/drink etc etc etc.
Think you'll find [url=
explains it very well!
I live in North Nottingham, and go to uni in Sheffield. I always see myself as a northerner, as do people who meet me 🙄
[i]From where I live the south of the UK starts at the Pentland Firth[/i]
You moved again Rob??
Me and MrFC out for drinkies later if you are in town!
From where i'm looking on the south coast, anywhere north of London is pretty north to me.
isn't it anywhere you can walk into a chippy and ask for a pudding
Stuart Maconie has written a brilliant book which goes in to this subject in GREAT depth.
It's called "Pies And Prejudice".
His verdict was the North starts at Crewe.
Blimey this one ran didn't it?!
I'm pretty sure I can call myself a northerner especially going by the "gravy on chips" and the "going into a chippy and asking for a pudding" statements.
I also find the whole Cheshire is a lost section of the home counties thing a bit strange. Yes, I grew up in Kelsall and it would appear at least 2 of you are are familiar with it, but when I grew up it wasn't anything like the WAGS inspired sections of Cheshire you get now.
Personally I think that North is a state of mind, you either believe you are or you don't. Anyway my hubby reckons if you aren't from Northern Ireland you can't say you're from the North! 😀
You couldn't ask for a pudding in a chippy in Darlington, but it's [i]definitely[/i] in the north.
