[Closed] When your heading for Rock Bottom, how do you know when you get there ?

some I have yet to meet

Yeah you lazy bum, get yer act together 😉

Christ! Well, as long as you're laying off the booze, I see no reason why you shouldn't come through this with no visible scars.

So, how do you know when you have reached the bottom ?

You know cause you meet me on your travels.

Lowey - you've posted some bad shit on here recently. Ive never met you but that's some stuff that will wear any man down. Slap yourself on the back for getting through this so far. If I was a real man I'd give you a hug.

How old are your children - mine help me through the rough times - they're stronger than you think.

If you think about it your situation sucks. Can it get worse? Of course it can, so stop wondering. How old are the kids? Nippers or late teens? makes a lot of difference. You probably should sod the wife but it's easier said than done.
Don't drink, not a drop. Not sure about going for a ride either. I'd give myself plenty of time and try to be patient. Maybe a good book?
Make yourself a sarnie, brew a cuppa, read something worthy. Life will move on regardless of your actions, don't fight it.
And if you need an argument this place will give you one. For now, calm and peaceful, all you need to be.

Dave mate, i thought i was having a bad time.
my troubles are **** all to all that mate.

keep strong mate, for the kids sake as much as your own.
and dont be afraid to ask for friends help either.
you have a lot of good friends on here and your mates who you hang with.

Nothing wrong with feeling down when that train rolls over you.

Remember that none of those particular events is goinjg to happen again and that even if it's tough this week it'll likely be better next week, and better again the week after. With that big a hit though, don't do anything to stop you getting up again however slow. It'll be sunny tomorrow and the snowdrops are out. Keep off the bottle and keep on the chat. Good luck and (manly) hugs.

if you can, talk to work, not to give the details but to let them know that home life is stressful and that some understanding would be helpful for a bit. Also that you'll bounce back bigger and better. (if they are idiots, tell them nothing, keep a "work face" and keep it ticking over)

keep talking to the kids, don't fight in front of them, give them lots of love and cuddles, don't bad mouth the wife to them

go for a ride with Graham, the grumpy old git will cheer you up with a few MTFU's

good luck and keep going

Jesus H Christ Dave, that really does sound like a shit ride. There's nothing to say obviously.

To answer your question, when you literally teeter on the edge of a cliff and attempt to make a decision whether to go over or not, that's where I say the bottom rung is. But that's just me, only been there twice. No idea if I'll go there again. Glad I didn't do it yet though. I've got bills to pay and people who need me.

Bikes sounds like a good cure for all ailments, and friends, you've got lots I'm sure. And you can always borrow my dildo if you want. Best put a clean condom on it though.

Not good. That's a lot of grief to take at once. However, the very fact that you are being rational and realising it's an issue is a good start. Hiding your head in the sand won't resolve anything.

Have a word with your boss - can you get some time off while you start to deal with this?

Have a proper heart-to-heart with your kids. Explain how you feel and outline your commitment to them. They need you now as much as you need them.

Mostly, don't be afraid to talk about it - either here or with your "real-life" friends.

Without getting all mumsnetty on you...sorry to hear of it and i can only offer that at least it all happened at once !
You need to look after yourself to look after anyone else. Your wife (well ex I assume soon) timing is appaling and demonstrates a simple lack of empathy. But hey ho, each to their own. She has made her decision and is probably all over the place as well. All you can do is try and find positives, please speak to your employer, you never know they might be willing to offer help and flexibility. Speak to someone you trust or if you can't then use any anon service if you feel like spouting forth. I've done this during particularly dark times and it really helped me. I sought out a bit of counselling too just to get my thoughts in a straight line. Ultimately your kids love you, you're their dad and always will be nothing changes. It's up to you to show them what a real human being does and what is and isn't appropriate behaviour. Every now and then get 10 minutes to yourself and find something positive to think about. Ultimately it's not all bad. Good luck. 🙂

While I am not too sure how much I can say to help you with the positive vibes, try and remember that you are not the only person in the world to hit such a low.

With you mother, I am very sorry to hear that. When my sister suddenly died, a doctor told me to just go with the flow with my emotions. She was my best friend. I had a bit of a breakdown in a very public place, but you know what, people didn't judge me, some complete strangers came up to me and just sat with me and they were great.

As for your wife, well I can't say I have been in the same situation, but when my sister died I had just had a really really bad break up with a girlfriend. All I can say is that of course it is a tough situation, and for now try not to be too hard on yourself, and try and know that things will be ok in the future, maybe some time away, but try and learn from this, and in the lows just try and see how you can take something, if anything, positive from the situation. I had the feeling that I was going through something that only happened to other people, but you realise that no, this is happening to you. You're not alone, people have gone through things which maybe not similar but are in the same ball park, and there are always people who will help you through it.

Big love

Si

you have a lot of good friends on here and your mates who you hang with

Ton speaks the truth, doors always open, kettles always on mate.

Dave.

It's always horrible to read these threads but also so warming to think that we are seen as more than just a forum of cyclists.

It's certainly been a rough time for you over the last couple months and clearly you've shown character and strength enough to come here and share it all, it's often the last thing we do when we're down so low and feeling beyond help.

It's never easy to know when you're at the very bottom and whether for good or bad they many never get as low as they could.
If you are a positive person, that should give you the power and strength of mind to be able to look at things rationally and begin the slow climb out.
It won't always be an upwards journey, along the way things will happen that will push you back down and try to drive you further beyond levels you've ever been before.

If the times come when you feel you don't want to play in the world no more, that is the time to take serious measures and get as much help as possible to avoid those feelings, it might take medication, it might take CBT maybe even a bloody long walk, but with help the climb out can be made to feel easier, do it with friends and those close to you and not the ones against you.

Avoid as much as possible negative situations, and deal with things one at a time not all at once. You start to climb now Lowey, don't wait to step into the cold dark pit of nothingness, fight to stay out of it, you may walk on the edge at times, but look up and into the light of a new day and the journey will seem an easier one.

E-mail in my addy, chat or message me on FB if you want,as you know i've been through it too, albeit on a different level.

Thoughts are with you during these hard times.

Shane

At a very low point, I was given three basic rules to live by; positive thinking, leave people places and things better than you found them, self reliance.

They've served me well and can be applied to all manner of situations.

Thanks to John Ridgway and his amazing daughter. Best of British to you.

I like that user-removed... good rules to live by!

Lowey - sent a proper reply via email as it was a bit long winded to go into here!

some very good advice there. I don't have a lot to add apart from consider professinal help in getting some perspective on things. relationship counselling can be done on your own and bereavement counselling is available thru cruse

It can be very useful in finding some perspective

some very good advice that i can also relate to at the moment.

Your situation is undoubtedly nothing compared to what happened to me last week, but i am coping by being positive, keeping myself busy and trying to get myself settled.

i'm sure theres something in the water at the moment mate, i know of at least 10 people (one being me) that have all broken up with their S/O within the last month.

Keep your chin up and just ride it out.

Lowey - sorry to hear that

You have more strength than you know - really you do

It wont always be so black but it will be shit from time to time

My bike saved me and continues to do so - use it

Thinking of you x

Knowing your near the bottom is half the fight won.

However you recover from it you will learn so much about yourself as a person, that in turn will help you next time (there will be a next time)

The roller coaster of life continues 😉

Doesn't sound too good there, but you WILL come out of it. It might sound corny but when things get a little shitty I always have Chumbawumba Tubthumping to fall back on... 'I get knocked down but I get up again, you're never going to keep me down' etc.
Having just (about) survived the worst six months of my life, I'm trying to decide if I have survived through stubborness or tenacity??? 😕
Knowing that there are going to be better times ahead is a good motivator too...
Get out there and kick some ass!

as long as you're laying off the booze,

that will wear [b]any[/b] man down. Slap yourself on the back for getting through this so far.

dont be afraid to ask for friends help either.

Remember that none of those particular events is goinjg to happen again and that even if it's tough this week it'll likely be better next week, and better again the week after

your kids love you, you're their dad and always will be nothing changes.

You're not alone, people have gone through things which maybe not similar but are in the same ball park, and there are always people who will help you through it.

clearly you've shown character and strength enough to come here and share it all,

relationship counselling can be done on your own and bereavement counselling is available thru cruse

You have more strength than you know - really you do

and

Knowing your near the bottom is half the fight won.

+1billion.

jesus thats rock-bottom alright...hey if you have a close friend to talk to...it helps...realy sorry for all your bad encounters..all i can say it will get better with 'time' in the 'future'...
stay away from alcohol...get out and about on the bike if you can as much as possible..keep your chin up and keep thinking positive from now on...things will slowly get better 😉

Bon Courage mate.

You've certainly got it tough at the moment.
At the very least, you and your dad were there to say goodbye to your mum.

I wish you strength and courage. Just take it half a day at a time. Thank God for you children.

Hang on in there mate, life seems to have kicked you right where it hurts and there's not a lot I can say really. Good luck and IT WILL GET BETTER!

Well I've just had my gripes put into perspective.

Dave many sympathies at many levels. There's not really a real bottom but when your down a small knock back puts you further down. What you've had is some of the most stressful things you can have happen is a very short period

Your talking about and that's good. Don't spend every working day wondering why, talk and meet with friends. Family is good but friends give you that seperation you can't get with family. Exercise lots as much as you can, again it gives you that break. Alcohol is fine but small amount now and then to relax.

You've always said you want to ride up here. Well give me a shout and let's get something sorted. A whole change of scene will work wonders too.

Be brave chin up and remember your kids will always love you.

Does your employer run an anonymous counselling service as part of your "package". Talk their ears off or ring the Samaritans they don't just do suicides.
All the best for the future.
Mike

forgot to ask, where are you based?

Dave - real sorry to hear that - there is some sound advice for you here - will be thinking of you

you have told us that you're a positive thinker.. so make sure you focus on a positive future..
a positive future will then be sat there ready and waiting once all of the external influences have finished having their fun with you..

don't worry.. you're a long way from rock bottom..
however..
you can always tell that you've hit it as rock bottom's arrival is invariably heralded by rampaging platoons of bedbugs..

Dave, if you ever fancy a change of scene, come over and do some Leeds riding, you're always welcome. Spot of grub & slice of cake at the ready, just say the word. xx

Your misses timing is ^%*£)! awful 😐

I was in a pretty bad place a few years ago with my first wife; drug addiction, being sectioned, visiting her morning noon and night for best part of a year in a psychiatric hospital, helping her back to the real world only for her to then clear out all my savings, run up all my credit cards and run off with some other coke head bloke to carry on getting high (she ended up being sectioned again).........yep rubbish. I was left a wreck with no confidence, huge debts and no reason for carrying on.

During this time I'd retreated into my own little bubble, not bothered with my friends and had the weight of the world on my shoulders; you will know when you've hit bottom.

Then one night my dad literally dragged me out of the house to go to the pub; I saw a couple of old friends, got chatting and a week later went to Amsterdam with them. For the next few years we were going out all the time, having weekends away, going to gigs every week and having fun. THis couldn't carry on forever, my body just wouldn't take it but it was a good transition from the dark days to renewed faith in life.

Maybe there's not a lot of point to this story other than friends are more important than you imagine; use them!

Have you been a nightmare to be around recently?
- This is me. I've taken out alot on mrshora. Unfairly. Like a right bitter old man. Its not her fault my Dad died but shes felt like shes walking on egg-shells 24/7 around me.
Have you been riding too much?

Sometimes we drift away from the ones we love as we obsess too much and our other halve's feel lonely and unloved. Almost like an employee in the relationship.

first thing to do is stop yourself thinking that 'things cant get any worse'

they always can, always.

Well I've just had my gripes put into perspective.

This!

Not much to add tbh other than sending you my best wishes that things will get better - which they will, it just might take time.

I'd second the bit about not drinking at all either - it really doesn't help.

[i]Illegitimi non carborundum[/i]

that's a lot of shit for anybody in one foul sweep .if you wanna get out and away from it for a bit , I'll be riding over to meet graham in the quarries on sunday am -up the coal road into cragg anfd thn over to lee .you can always com e and have the crack and you get to listen to inconsequential shite over a pint afterwards.mart

I'm not sure I buy the whole not drinking thing - I know you're partial to the Bank Top Brewery Bitter.

Drinking smart price whiskey on your own isn't what I mean though - Go out, see your mates, have fun, have a drink - I know for a fact you're level headed enough to know when to stop.

TandemJeremy - Member
...and bereavement counselling is available thru cruse

Well I hope the OP has more luck with Cruse (if he chooses to use them) than my future mother in law did when she phoned them a month or so ago after losing her husband. They weren't interested, never phoned her back when they said they would etc.

hard to say - you know how rough my last year has been - suddenly you just notice the fog / cloud seems to have lifted and you are getting back to your feet. Stuff knocks you sideways but you just keep going -hard though as you are trying to do stuff for the kids as well and hold them together whilst you are on your arse
Like going uphill you put your head down and you just keep gurning and going then one day you get to the top see the beutiful views and have a great downhil as your reward.
As Jase says door always open kettle on etc

I'd second the bit about not drinking at all either

Cheers to si something he said ona night ride made me stop - I doubt he realises how significant it was and I never thanked him

I say drink.

BUT NOT INSIDE YOUR HOUSE and only with friends. Thats one rule I say you stick to.

Drink is much misaligned however it can help if used right. IMO of course

just keep swimming mate. keep your head up and keep going. your kids need their dad and you need your kids. whenever you feel like your slipping lower, remember them and the fact that you have friends for life right there. absolute rock bottom is a man without a pulse i think. so long as you keep going, keep fighting and looking after yourself then you will never get there. as others have mentioned, youve got to look after yourslef before you can look after others. i have no idea who you are, but i feel for you and hope you can see some/any light. no matter how distant and dim.

Blimey!

You have a lot of bad things going on in your life at the moment 🙁

I had some serious issues a few years ago and it was when things started to improve and I could think properly again that I realised I had hit rockbottom.

Just on the booze thing...
Drink can be a pleasure or a crutch. It can be a fine pleasure but it tends to make a pisspoor crutch. I certainly wouldn't exclude one of life's little pleasures at a time like this.

Other than that I've not much more to say than than I hope things turn around for you soon. You're one of the good guys.

Doesn't sound like a good time, and echoing everyone else's good wishes.

Try to look for the silver lining in the clouds too. With your wife gone no one to nag you about spending time/money on the bike(s)!

Keep your head up, not sure there is such a thing as rock bottom as things can ALWAYS be worse.

Can't really say anything that these guys haven't already said. Other than chin up mate! Beer and biking in Skipton always available if you need a change of scenery.

Because you haven't given up, you're not there.

So don't give up.

Woah dave, sorry, I didn't know things were so bad, keep your chin up.

Try and get out on a ride tonight with the lads, and forget about it all for a while. Then go for a long ride at weekend to sort it all out in your head - nowt too technical as you prob won't be concentrating too much - just a nice long mind expanding ride in the vast open-ness beauty of the countryside.

but stay away from rivi that'll just wind you up 😉
We should be out riding at weekend if you want company instead.

Lowey - I'm glad you're coming on Pooks Peaks pootle. We'll all have a massive group hug after the ride (well those that survive it anyway :wink:).

Bunnyhop X

Just wanted to say how sorry I am to hear what you've been going through. Sometimes life kicks us in the balls, focus on getting yourself up again.

For what it's worth keep things as civil as you can with the wife, mainly for the kids' sake but also to save you both a lot of heartache. Spend as much time as you can with your children and family. Good luck.

Jeez.. Really feel sorry for all the hell you're going thru

..... que Simon Bates Golden Hour background music....

Very similar things happened to me, total meltdown. 6 years later new great job, new girl, new bike (!).. and to top that i've just learnt i will be a Dad all over again!

You just gotta find a way to keep going.......

I can have a certain amount of sympathy brother. Went through the ringer myself last year, as you well know.

Its tough but you can pull through it fella. But keep focussed on a goal. IE: I keep soldiering on simply to annoy people. Some people may regard this as a poor motivation to base one's life on. Rubbish! They've probably been through nowt anyway. The bastards!! Its the best reason. Dedicate your life to being an every chirpy, ever-smiling irritant to people.

And When things look up fella.... and they will... its great. I got a spot of good news today. It would have normally elicited a positive response, but after the year I've had, I'm absolutely, literally over the moon! I'm like Tigger on PCP!!! The ever-smiling idiot has dialled the annoy-o-meter up to eleven. You'll be doing so too before you know it fella

Anyway.... more practically... can you bunk off work next Wednesday? Midweek south lakes ride. What do you think? With me and the Enigma? Nothing makes you smile like being out in the hills when you know this lot are in work 😉

I got a spot of good news today.

Lowey - that's an incredibly tough combination.

Been through some similar issues recently (but not as much as you're having to cope with). Not sure if it's any help, but I've learnt a few things which might be worth bearing in mind:

- you'll need to grieve for losing all of these significant people in your life - your mother, nan-in-law, and your wife.

- grieving takes time - a long time to process properly, so accept that it's going to take a while and don't beat yourself up if you don't feel 'better' in a short space of time

- try and remove / avoid all other stresses that you can - even the smallest one - the saying 'the straw that broke tha camel's back' can be true, so take care

- spend time with positive people - they might not be your current closest friends (I've found that some of my friendships have changed - some people found it harder to be supportive / know what to say, whereas others have been fantastic). Find out who it helps you to be with most, and spend time with them.

- keep hold of the smallest things that make you smile, or help you de-stress (for me that's been outdoors / nature / activity)

- talk ... and keep on talking for as long as you need to.

Take care

Bunnyhop - I'll bore you all with it on Saturday in between throwing things at Hora 🙂

Bum start to the year, Lowey, got to get better but take control. Your kids will inspire you to do great things. Remember the good bits and the happy memories with those you have lost. You are a lovely guy so deep breath, shoulders back and go for the next chapter.

As Wharefedale says, Skipton welcomes you, email in profile and there's always cake on the go here and some excellent beer over the road.

dave, i don't really know what to say except just to echo what others have said; as hard as it may feel, you have to just try to keep your chin up and it WILL get better. also, adam's advice is very good i'd say as i had similar motivation to get over my relationship breakdown a couple of years back (and i also got nothing but kindness and good words from folk on here, something that helped me keep my head above water until things started looking up and i'll be forever grateful for that).

wish i could do more to help really.

Lowey...............also remember, you could be fat and ugly like me............. 😀

keep your chin up lad.

"When do you know you have hit rock bottom" When you go through a set of experiences like the ones you have done. One day at a time,if you come up to God's country,get in touch. The Scottish branch of your STW friends will take you out.

when you wake up covered in your own blood and vomit with one of you mates lying dead next to you having OD'd comes about as close to rock bottom as I ever want to go...anything else has been a bonus since then.

It will get better or at least different enough to distract you until you realise that somehow you've got through it hopefully without too many mental or physical scars.

Talk to people when you want/need to don't bottle stuff up and remember to take "me" time.

Best of luck fella

Over whelmed by your kind words..

The love of my life moved out today. I said I would help, but when it came down to physically picking stuff up and loading it, it was beyond me. I grabbed the dog and went out for a 5 hour walk. Sun was nearly shining, Snowdrops where out and it made me appreciate the fact that I live 2 mins from open countryside. I got home to play the guesssing game of what she had taken and what she had left. Picked the kids up from School and the youngest took it quite hard that mum had moved out... much tears... hers and mine.

To answer a lot of the posts above...

My kids are 2 girls... 11 and 14 and I just utterly worship the ground upon which they walk. They have been far stronger than I, and a source of inspiration.

I am a positive person and will get this behind me and damn soon. Todays walk over the west pennine moors made me realise that I know I am a good person, with 2 loving daughters and the best mates a lad could ask for.

I dont think I need bereavement councilling as, truth be told, both deaths were a blessed relief from long suffering. It just that they all came at once.

Some of the stories that you guys have posted above (and received by email and FB) are heartrending an make me feel somewhat humble, however I thank you for sharing here with me.

The internet is a wonderful thing. I've been a member here since the go-far days and fortunate enough to have ridden with soooooo many great people from here who I can now count as friends. my close circle of friends are proper rocks, and you guys also, well, you may not think it, but your kind words help so much.

Mark (bullheart), the fact that you even took time to read my hopeless ramblings makes me feel utterly humble. Truth be told I really cant see us meeting, but you really are an inspirational character and I wish you and Meg all the very best.

Binners.. cant make Wednesday as off all this week and Mon and Tues next week, but I'll see you Saturday mucker

Hora.. I know you have had a STW removal notice, but I too look forward to having the crack on Saturday!

Ton, I'd say that I already have those 2 unfortunate problems already, certainly the fat bit.

Kit, you bastard.. still rubbing my face in it, but THIS year .. I'm coming to share the pents with ya!!

Mart, got the kids Sunday, and I aint ready for you and graham together yet!

Deejay.. thank you for your kind words.

Everyone else... thank you, it means a lot reading your posts. really does.

The road up starts tomorrow.

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Jesus that beer looks lovely

Mark (bullheart), the fact that you even took time to read my hopeless ramblings makes me feel utterly humble.

Here's some food for thought; no bullshit. I realised a while ago that being brutally honest about my situation didn't make me weak; quite the opposite. I take inspiration from people that talk about their grief and pain, because they tend to be the ones that survive and flourish.

When your heading for Rock Bottom, how do you know when you get there ?

I am a positive person and will get this behind me and damn soon.

The road up starts tomorrow.

If and when I play the game of 'Life-Bulldog', you're the kind of player I'd want on my team...

Bullheart

Now that looks like a nice pint....

Someone posted that after a lot of knocks, little ones can kick you back down.
Tonight was one.

For the sake of the kids, we have separated (ie I'm saying we have grown apart etc.. NOT she has left me). So when my astute 11 year old spends all night quizzing and probing like a seasoned DCI as to why we wont get back together, what the hell do I say.

Apart from that.. Biking is saving my life.

nightmare.
have the virtual support you gave me the other day back in your direction.
feel for you man.
Keep riding the bike.

YGM

It's part of the kid going through acceptance, you've still got your kids be strong for them.

That is so tough mate, but you sound like you have the right kind of head on your shoulders. All I can say is it takes a long time, but you know that. it is amazing how resilient you can be even when you feel all is lost and you are so lucky to have your kids to give live meaning and value. all the bad stuff is just part of the tapestry right? otherwise we wouldn't know what was the good stuff.

Thanks people for such a thoughtful and reflective thread.

A few years ago my sister in law's only child, who was two at the time, drowned. I found this extremely hard to cope with.
I can't begin to comprehend what she must have gone through.

Three years later, although you can tell there is still sadness on some days, she is a hell of a lot happier generally.

Just after the death I was reading around on the internet and came across this piece about Eric Clapton ceasing to perform his song to his lost son "Tears in Heaven"

I didn't feel the loss anymore, which is so much a part of performing those songs. I really have to connect with the feelings that were there when I wrote them. They're kind of gone and I really don't want them to come back, particularly. My life is different now. They probably just need a rest and maybe I'll introduce them for a much more detached point of view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_Heaven

I'm no Clapton fan, but I was eternally grateful to find this little piece of evidence to show that you can come through the most awful deepest and darkest of days and find happiness again.
Time heals all wounds, even if it doesn't feel like it at the time. You just have to have faith and be patient. Don't lose out on hope.

This was a thread that I always thought I would look back on in better times... they didnt come.

Today, I held my brothers hand and body as he died. He was 51. I'm going to go to bed tonight crying... but tomorrow I'll wake up and kick life's arse with a bike ride.

Tough times are around us all... but please take stock and think what we each and all have... health and love... and then smile!

sorry to hear. truly shite, life's a bowl of toenails for sure. hope you get some good stuff happening soon.

Christ - I remember reading this last year and feeling it for you. However that there is just a new low.

But it's good to see you've got fight left though! Getting on a bike is a great way of dealing with problems, stress, grief. It doesnt sort any of it out - but IME it gives your head "space" to process things and be able to deal with them.

My thoughts are with you and your brother.

Lowey, that is rough mate (okay, it is a hell of a lot more than rough). Sometimes you can get mired in seemingly unending streams of crap, but trust me... it does eventually come to an end.

Absolutely get out on the bike tomorrow. Fantastic idea, I always found riding gave me head space and made the world seem a better place.

When I lost my wee boy my world literally fell apart. It was already shaky but that nearly killed me. That is coming up for 3 years ago soon, and whilst the pain doesn't go it does seem to become less sharp. I can only imagine that loosing a brother is a very similar thing.

Good luck, you will get there.

but tomorrow I'll wake up and kick life's arse with a bike ride.

Don't fall off 😉

We are all here for you mate.

Sometimes life deals some awful hands and I can only wish you well. I tried to think of something to say which would help or be of some comfort, but your own words say what you need to be thinking better than I could.

I am a positive person and will get this behind me and damn soon. Todays walk over the west pennine moors made me realise that I know I am a good person, with 2 loving daughters and the best mates a lad could ask for.

whatever happens mate keep finding time for a spin on the bike.
all the best man.

Lowey my thoughts and prayers, for all they are worth, are with you and yours.

That's a real shitter lowey, kick that bike's ass tomorrow.

Be strong.

😥

I will give you a ring tomorrow
Thoughts with you ...thats shit, really shit.