[Closed] When did the National Front or BNP start infesting this forum ?

Getting too serious isnt fun either. Work is for seriousness.

True - but I think I have been sickened by the harmful ignorance and misinformation just once too often.

If they would just perhaps sign-post it "Warning - Racist Propoganda" maybe that would be helpful ?

The I could stick to smirking at the woman using the oldest and most desparate trick in the book to attract male interest - pseudo-lesbianism...

Hels - the answer is two fold IMO
1) Set about them on the forum - let them know its unacceptable and show them for the nasty ignorant numpties they are
2) report the posts.

Rule 4 - No posts, including links to other sites that are deemed to be of a sexual or distasteful nature, incite racial or sexist behaviour or are in any way discriminatory and/or offensive towards individuals or minority groups (That includes singlespeeders!)

Leaving is letting them win and impoverishes the forum

Singletrackworld has always been populated by idiots - it's part of the charm. I don't agree with lots of what's written on here but I just decide the poster is a moron and go on about my business. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other forums out there.

TJ is bang on. Don't stand for it.

EDIT - Also, I see lots of suff I don't like/can't be bothered with/don't agree with on STW. Generally I just don't read it, and if I do read it, I don't comment.

It's great to debate on a forum. Unfortunately , you sometimes have to debate with the ignorant and stupid.

......and/or offensive towards individuals.....

I find the far left almost as distasteful and offensive as the far right, but I'd never wish to censor someone's opinions either way.

As TJ says, either challenge their beliefs in a sensible and well-thought out way or don't read the threads. Don't start whinging that "its not how it used to be" because aside from the higher volume of posts generated by a larger amount of users it is, and thats based on my ever-so-humble experience stretching back to the days when you didn't have to register to post (ah, happy days) on here.

Its always been a place where random chit chat, bicycle mleh and occasionally controversial opinions are mashed together.

[i]If you don't like it, there are plenty of other forums out there.[/i]

Exactly.

I don't know what the OP is on about ?????????? I can't see any Hitler apologists on the Iran/Isreal thread. I see someone making reference to Nazi Germany's interpretation of British foreign policy.

Have I missed something ?

Its always been a place where random chit chat, bicycle mleh and occasionally controversial opinions are mashed together

I agree, as someone who voices an opinion (forcefully on some subjects) this board is largely well policed and the majority of time polite.
Lots is lost in the medium and I have no doubt that I may come across (as lots of us do) as arrogant etc however I try to always post as if I was face to face without descending into name calling *.

* Disclaimer: Doesnt apply to Rudeboy 😉

Funny thing is, its a mountain bike forum- a member hurts himself at the weekend (some wish him well)- 28 posts. Also on this forum, a member quips about being potentially attracted to the same-sex- guess what? currently at 60posts and rising. Outstanding.

Hels - I have just had a glance thru the thread - If you mean Grizzlygus posts I really don't thnk thats what he believes in any way. A debating device only. Not quite reductio ad absurdum but similar.

Could the Hitler apologist be the tongue in cheek post by Coffeeking?

Edit: sorry GrizzlyGus not Coffeeking!

Grizzlygus was making some sort of rhetorical point I think, though badly as he seems to have lost everyone. Not easy to follow his arguments IMHO.

WARNING - This internet may contain nuts, as well as opinions that differ from your own.

I think a blind man on a galloping horse could see he was being ironic!

I am more concerned about this:

hora - Member

Work is for seriousness.

😯 I thought it was for browsing STW until time to ride home.

I'm sort of lost as to the point GG is trying to make in that thread.

Is it something along the lines of Great Britain didn't really have much room to criticise Germany in 1939 as GB at the time had the largest empire the world had ever seen or something?

sootyandjim - no, his point is that Israel's reasons for defending itself can be made to sound similar to Germany's reasons for WW2. He's wrong, but that's his position.

I don't know - it worries me when people don't confront racist propaganda. "its not my problem" well when is it your problem, when they come in the night and take your neighbours away ?

Yes, I could stop using the forum, but how many people are being converted by all this ??

It is complicity by inaction if you ask me. And yes, I know you didn't ask me, I am just using my right to exercising my right to express my opinion. Ignore me if you wish.

You would hope that STW might find it a problem when they start losing advertisers, or perhaps the racist pound is as good as any other.

Hels, I find some of the threads on here pretty distasteful but I think you picked an interesting couple of examples.

In the case of the Muslim-bashing thread, the guy who started it probably wanted to drum up some support for his anti-Muslim views but almost no-one joined in and he ended up disowning the chain email he originally posted.

In the Israel/Palestine thread, I very much doubt that the guy posting the comments about Hitler is a BNP member - he seems to be trying to make a point (perhaps too subtly) that Hitler was seen as harmless and a potential ally by lots of world leaders until the extent of his activities became clear.

It's an internet forum, and all human life is here. There doesn't seem to be a dominant agenda, and even if individual threads can contain some views that are really objectionable there's generally someone on hand to present a differing one and correct any nonsense that's being spouted.

or perhaps the racist pound is as good as any other.

I think you'll find that if we took every racist pound out of the equation, we'd have the economy of a small African republic.

Hels I am not sure anyone can see the point you are making.
I for one would not tolerate what you describe and I suspect the majority of those that frequent the site wouldn't either.

Wow, Gus has hooked a few fish with that one hasn't he 🙂

Infesting? Two threads I didn't even bother to read. Perhaps there is a cbeebies forum you can join or similar.

........but how many people are being converted by all this ??

Although the smattering of STW users I actually know is very small compared to the overall membership and therefore my sample is low I'd hazard a guess at "very few".

The STW users I know come from a wide variety of backgrounds and have a wide variety of views but I'm not sure (pretty sure infact) any of them are so weak-minded that they'd be convinced to change their political viewpoint based on a rant on a MTBing forum.

Wow, Gus has hooked a few fish with that one hasn't he

Ahh it's GG is it? He's stirring, he loves it. I've met him a few times and I know he likes to play Devil's Advocate.....

* Disclaimer: Doesnt apply to Rudeboy

I'm flattered I mean that much to you.

Want a signed picture?

[i]You would hope that STW might find it a problem when they start losing advertisers, or perhaps the racist pound is as good as any other. [/i]

The forum is moderated, all you have to do is alert a moderator by pressing the

Report-Post

at the bottom of each posting.

Did you do that before you started this thread?

Seen the Mugshot!!!

Still not sleeping well.

Heh!

When you go to bed at night, when you close your eyes, I will be there; etched onto your soul...

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Mr Agreeable, for the record, I'm not anti-Muslim nor a BNP supporter. The email was sent to me NOT written by me. I was interested to see how many others had been sent the email and whether or not there was any grounds to it's content. It then got hi-jacked and I was enemy no 1. Read it again if you don't believe me. In heignsight I wouldn't have posted it and I'm genuinely sorry for any offence caused but none was meant.
There was a link to Snopes which was posted and very helpful - I don't think there was any links to the BNP also.
Cheers T

All very interesting and useful, thanks people. Will report all threads with racist content in future - does that mean they will be deleted ? (and yes I did attempt to report the thread last week to the mods but incorrectly it transpires)

Tyger - pleased to hear you aren't a racist, but posting that stuff just spreads it further, accept that you meant well.

I think I must just have a low tolerance for this kind of thing. Perhaps it was the 20 years I spent working for the Simon Weisental Centre (joke !!)

hels - Member

All very interesting and useful, thanks people. Will report all threads with racist content in future - does that mean they will be deleted ?

Hopefully that will depend on the context, otherwise what you're suggesting is absurd.

Is it ok for me to have a healthy/unhealthy discussion about Nazi Germany and Hitler or is it any reference to them you object to?

Just checking

I only ask because i must have watched about 10hrs worth of You Tube and downloads over the last few weeks regarding Hitler because i found it interesting. Regardless of my beliefs, as long as it is not racist material, who are you to tell someone on the forum what is and isnt allowed to be discussed. I for one would really enjoy reading a Nazi thread.

Tyger, sorry to single you out but the way I read [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-else-received-this-email ]that thread[/url], you posted an email which you said was from "a reliable source", which was a tired retread of the usual all-Muslims-are-suicide-bombers scaremongering rubbish. You've also made comments in the past along the lines that Muslims are more favourably treated by society than Christians. You're quite welcome to do that, of course, but you shouldn't be surprised if people then feel you're being anti-Muslim, and you get criticised for it.

Maybe the frequent marxist posts on STW are attracting unwanted attention from the "bover" boys. Different ends of the same sh*t-stick.

Queue RudeBoy response along the lines of "I pity you, you flaming nazi"

enfht; do you want a signed pic as well?

Why does free speech* stop at racism?

*I understand the STW is not really a forum of free speech

Mr Agreeable, where it mentioned "a reliable source" was part of the email sent to me - not my comment or opinion.

"You've also made comments in the past along the lines that Muslims are more favourably treated by society than Christians"

Again, sorry, but just not true! I've taken a stand when I think some people are having a heartless pop at Christians but I'd do the same for Muslins if the shoe was on the other foot.

I always try to be polite and fair with my comments as mostly everyone on here are a decent lot. Once again, apologies for any hurt caused.

when the IRA were killing innocent people we were allowed to refer to them as Catholic and Irish, why not now with muslims?

"Comrade" RB I can see RudeBoys just by looking out of the window mate, and I've already got a good mental image of you 😆

Enfit- Maxist posts? Is this on secret part of the forum I cannot access? Never seen owt remotely fitting that description

I know what rudeboy looks like -( there have been pics of him posted 🙂 ) I doubt he is anything like your mental image. go on - tell us what it is

enfht, does your picture of rudeboy involve him wearing nothing but a winning smile and baby oil, because that is the one he will be sending you

LOL @ duckman

I dont want to upset the poor sod 8)

LOL!

I'm just about to get in the shower; shall I set up a live video feed?

Hmm, I could make money out of this!

(No you coon't, you could end up in jail, though, for 'Gross Indecency'. No-one wants to see that. Enough filth out there as it is)

once complained that the spurious use of the phrase "thieving diddies" on here was rascist in the context but the overall vote seemed to be that i was a self rightous pc ****t - which is actually correct

I've taken a stand when I think some people are having a heartless pop at Christians

By saying stuff like "you wouldn't dare say that about Muslims". Which implies to me that you think Muslims are somehow favoured in some way. Or that we're scared of them?

when the IRA were killing innocent people we were allowed to refer to them as Catholic and Irish, why not now with muslims?

Yeah, 'cos equating a person's nationality or religion with cold-blooded murder solves everything. 🙄

It doesn't matter what view anyone holds, left, right, centre, or extremist, they all deserve to be heard, and then those really really stupid ones deserve to be torn apart, mercilessly.

At least when they are out in the open they are identified.

Let them all speak, right or left, if we do not know what they stand for how do we stand against it. Supress it and it will take us by suprise.

The BNP bless them, are just bunch of deluded crooks playing at politics, as they speak they accuse themselves. I will admit they are a bit harder than some of the middle class maoist that spout on here but no more a danger than the so called protesters that climb out of their own reality whenever there is a genuine reason to protest on the streets of London (and I don't just mean the coppers).

Totally agree, let 'em speak and expose their lies. That is democracy afterall. Far better than government-funded loonies actively trying to stiffle debate whilst pushing their own leftist agendas. I'm sure a few "Chavaz/Red Ken" supporters on here havn't a ****in clue what I just wrote..theres a name for that sort of bollox and it's fascism

And Its Chavez dear boy. I know when you start frothing at the mouth over those commies in the closet you can mis-spell words. 😉

When did the National Front or BNP start infesting this forum ?

I don't know if this has been already posted, but in answer to the OP perhaps it's something to do with [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/20/bnp-handbook-european-elections ]THIS[/url]

Quote :

[i]"The British National party is urging its members not to set up official party blogs in the run-up to this year's European elections because "they can't write proper English" and "get carried away with conspiracy theories", according to a leaked internal guide for senior party activists.

The handbook says that some BNP members are "oddballs", "Walter Mitty characters", "compulsive liars" and "born troublemakers", and advises activists: "If you hear something odd or unpleasant about someone either forget about it or ask them about it to their face."[/i]

Oh how I laughed this morning when I read in the Guardian that BNP [i]itself[/i] thinks that it's members are, "oddballs, compulsive liars" and "born troublemakers" who "can't write proper English" ! !

It was a lovely day, the sun was out, the skies were blue, and reading that was truly the icing on the cake !

😯
looks up at other posts on this thread......

There is something of an irony in all this, in that Christians and Muslims originate from the same familial, tribal rootsin the middle east. To use the word 'racism' is totally wrong in that area because Christians, Jews and Muslims are all the same race, just different tribes. It's the same bloody nonsense when travellers use racism against people not wanting illegal camps nearby; it can't possibly be racism when the people involved are the same race! Northern European Caucasians. True Rom, or Romany, really are a different race, but most travellers or diddykies as they frequently get called are Irish tinkers. We're nearly always talking ethnicity rather than race, hence the ethnic cleansing in areas of Northern Ireland, Kosovo, former Soviet republics, where there's fighting between Christian/Muslim from the same region. The same thing is happening in Palestine. It's all horribly complicated.

Agree with countzero. In addition I am friends with some people who could be technically classed as 'racist'. Its merely economics and 'experience of the ruder side of humans' that makes them narrow-minded that way. Not themselves being inherently racist.

The electrician telling me about those ****ing Polish undercutting his rates and stealing his business then in the next sentance reminiscing about the boom 80's in Germany where they all went over and stole the home-markets business eeeeeeeeeee I giggled over that one. He couldnt see the irony.

once complained that the spurious use of the phrase "thieving diddies"

yeh, even Ken Dodd was acquitted in the end wasn't he ?

A tenner Ken Dodd isnt a natural Englander

Edit- Ah, see hes from Liverpool (bloody foreigners)

Think that later when I raise a glass i will fondly remember Ken Dodd and Jeffrey Archer being sent down - nothing personal just what they stood for

antigee although Im not a pure-blood 'Englander' and neither is my GF I still laughed at Bernard Mannings stand up. I even own a Roy Chubby Brown concert CD. I haven't experienced racism however a few of my friends have. What does that make me? Or do we live in a complicated society. 🙂

Oh how I laughed this morning when I read in the Guardian that BNP itself thinks that it's members are, "oddballs, compulsive liars" and "born troublemakers" who "can't write proper English" ! !

So they think themselves think the STW forum is infested with their members?

Whoa.......... way too much 'thinking' going on there for me 😕

Think that later when I raise a glass i will fondly remember Ken Dodd and Jeffrey Archer being sent down - nothing personal just what they stood for

When was Ken Dodd "sent down"?

IIRC he was aquitted of all charges, after a 3month "show trial.

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN REPORTED AS SCOUSIST! 8)

I'm reporting it as bigotist - BNP members are people too.

I still laughed at Bernard Mannings stand up. I even own a Roy Chubby Brown concert CD. What does that make me?

in my opinion a person lacking in taste with too much time on their hands
you did ask 🙂

When was Ken Dodd "sent down"?

IIRC he was aquitted of all charges, after a 3month "show trial.

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN REPORTED AS SCOUSIST

Whoops - just checked and am guilty of assuming a scouser couldn't get a good lawyer - My apologies to Mr Dodd

In all fairness, Antigee, the jury were Scouse! 😀

What a hero!!

To answer the OP: this forum has always had its share of knuckledragging little Englanders, nothing's changed.

"To use the word 'racism' is totally wrong in that area because Christians, Jews and Muslims are all the same race, just different tribes."

This is complete nonsense, and if you thought about it for half a second you'd see why. You can be from any racial group and choose to follow any of those religions. Aretha Franklin (famous Christian) and Yusuf Islam (ex Cat Stevens, famous Muslim) are not the same race!

If your statement is that race is a pernicious, slippery and unscientific thing, I agree, but if it means anything, it doesn't mean what you say it means.

I rode the NF trail at Grizedale, but I found it leant too far to the left for my liking.

Anyone got that pic of the german soldier falling over on ice infront of his 'mates' break-dance stylee?

konabunny..... your posts nearly always entertain me, please don't ever lose your stroppy blunt edge 8)

hora - it took me a while to trawl through my nazi memorabilia collection, but I eventually managed to located it :

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Personally I quite enjoy reading letters/postings/newspaper columns/whatever that I disagree with. Makes me think about things more. And like it or not, the BNP are a legitimate political party, so if someone wants to come on and put forward an intelligent, well thought out argument as to why we should vote for them then they're quite entitled to, same as for any other party.

It's the old "I disagree with what you say, but defend your right to say it" debate all over again.

like it or not, the BNP are a legitimate political party, so if someone wants to come on and put forward an intelligent, well thought out argument

LOL !

" intelligent, well thought out argument"

LOL !!!!

BTW kennyp, did you read this ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/20/bnp-handbook-european-elections

I was careful not to suggest it was likely that they'd put forward an intelligent, well thought out, argument!!

I did read that article, but wasn't sure if it made me laugh or made me worry. From their point of view it's actually quite an astute move.

Made me laugh !

And yes of course, people like Griffin know very well that it's all about 'image'. Can't say I envy him - trying to present a bunch of knuckle-dragging thugs as a respectable party to the electorate ......the bloke's got his work cut out

Well, Tony did a fairly good job with the Labour party so I'm sure its possible Gus...