[Closed] Religious tolerance

I'd rather that than sit next to a fattie.

Crikey. This is an extremist trying to stir things up.

Trust me a person flying from middle east to Philippines and doing such prayers are flying there for no good reason. Most are there to spread hate and war. 👿

They do know they can pray in silent do they not? I have seen old lady on her trip to holy land for pilgrim (nearly half the seats on my flight were pilgrims) but I did not see her doing so. She was very devoted and was praying for nearly 30 mins during the call to prayer in silent. I sat next to her. 🙂

jam bo - Member

I'd rather that than sit next to a fattie.

If your flight is for 20 hours you will hear at least 5 times of call to pray.

What a tit. As if flying isn't tiresome enough. 🙄

If your flight is for 20 hours you will hear at least 5 times of call to pray.

Sure it reduces that to 3 while travelling.

I'm going to go with 12 pages.

jonba - Member

If your flight is for 20 hours you will hear at least 5 times of call to pray.

Sure it reduces that to 3 while travelling.

Not sure.

But different time zones might have a say in this.

😮

Better than...

Angry drunk
Preachy christian
Bad BO
Kid that kicks your seat
Tv not working.

And as a plus you can watch everyone be offended/panic.

Pretty antisocial and completely uncalled for.

I just feel sorry for him. Religion is idiotic enough but the need to display it publicly is just pathetic and worthy of atheistic derision.

I'd sooner have that than an excitable child.

TBH I've no problem at all with the religious observation but the volume's just unneccesary and rude imo. Or at least, none of the muslims I've known have felt prayer has to be done at the top of their voice. I think if I woke up to that, I'd probably go apeshit same as I would anyone else screaming at me.

No worse than the rugby club arseholes I had to endure a flight with.

joshvegas - Member
And as a plus you can watch everyone be offended/panic.

I will not panic nor be offended because this is a rather common sight where I came from especially from those who are more extreme in ideology.

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chewkw - Member
jonba - Member
If your flight is for 20 hours you will hear at least 5 times of call to pray.

Sure it reduces that to 3 while travelling.

Not sure.

But different time zones might have a say in this.

Not sure they thought of that when they wrote the manual.

I had to sit next to a scouser on a flight once.

jonba - Member
Not sure they thought of that when they wrote the manual.

I think they do but have not considered the present day time zones incursion flying with planes. i.e. faster than they can imagine. 😀

No real need for behaviour like that. Sit down, be quiet and watch a film like everyone else.

You mean the tv does more than show us where we are?

Im glad he loves his religion but why the need to ram it down others throats?

sofatester - Member

No real need for behaviour like that. Sit down, be quiet and watch a film like everyone else.

They don't watch film or any western media related stuff.

hora - Member

Im glad he loves his religion but why the need to ram it down others throats?

It's indirect provocation. Trust me they do it deliberately so when you oppose their action that's when the war starts.

That's how the machete loving wars starts in that region.

Angry drunk
Preachy christian
Bad BO
Kid that kicks your seat
Tv not working.

Nahhh, to me, shouting Alluah Akbar next to the emergency exit on a plane is the equivalent of shouting fire in a fireworks factory. Or announcing to a TSA agent that your cocaine is under the semtex in your bag. Or shouting wolf in a room full of sheep. Or child in a room full of priests. etc etc etc

I had to sit next to a scouser on a flight once.

Much worse.

I had to sit next to a scouser on a flight once.

I'll bet he/she was in stitches the whole time...

chewkw - Member

It's indirect provocation.

I'm with Chewie on this. STFU and sit down, you're no better than some dick barking into a mobile phone or some screaming brat. No I don't respect your religion, it's backward. Get on with it quietly if you must.

*awaits ban hammer

Chewkw - Philippines are a primarily Catholic country if I'm not mistaken. With all the shit that goes on in that house I'd perhaps think before criticising someone elses.

If you don't like people freely expressing themselves feel free to move to Turkmenistan or North Korea, otherwise STFU.

(that said, there's no accounting for asshats who take the piss on that one)

It's things like this that in-ear monitors and heavy rock music were made for.

*awaits ban hammer

I don't know why you'd be awaiting the ban hammer, you've pretty much just recited the STW orthodoxy.

Bit harsh on kids though.

The Philippines is also a country that has dealt with a lot of Islamic terrorism. Not really a good idea to put on your shouty "im possibly a explosion prone nutbag" act on a plane full of people that have been bombed by Islamic terrorists, even if it is a Saudi flight.

I'll make sure I don't fly with any middle eastern airlines now.

squirrelking - Member

Chewkw - Philippines are a primarily Catholic country if I'm not mistaken.

Nope. Not in the south.

They don't watch film or any western media related stuff.

Sure they could play one of the low budget video games instead.

Failing that just sit down and be quiet.

Lodders, I did have to ask, "Is he actually allowed upstairs?"

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Nope. Not in the south.

Even in Muslim Mindanao they're only just a majority aren't they? I like the Phils, couldn't imagine a Filipino ever doing that. Too polite.

he's probably pissed.

more tuneful than a hen party

There's a difference between intolerance and out and out bigotry. Chewkw wins the prize.

more tuneful than a hen party

Not as easy on the eye though...

And hen parties ever are?

Chewies right, if you believe that anyone who doesn't pray is wrong, it's a lot easier to justify this in your own head.

His thought process was probably, "Look at all these assholes doing jack shit. have fun in hell Catholics". Why would he care about people who opposed the secession of Muslim Mindanao (for good reason).

It's meant to be aggressive and make others uncomfortable.

i would just wait until that guy was dozing off then blast some high intensity thrash metal to his ear as payback 😉 he'd love it 🙂

No, it's someone being an asshat, you're just looking at it through your own intolerance. Don't paint your own bigotry onto others, it's unbecoming.

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My friends an Iman, he prays quite often when we're together and he always prays silently.

No, it's someone being an asshat, you're just looking at it through your own intolerance. Don't paint your own bigotry onto others, it's unbecoming.

No, it's just basic psychology. Why else would you do it? Is it in the Koran, which I'm pretty much sure says that you can forgo loud prayer when travelling.

Because he's an asshat, I already said that. Then again maybe he's not, perhaps he is in a sect that does that sort of thing. Who knows, I know none of us certainly will (unless he's a member or knows one)

You're taking one thing and twisting it into something else entirely.

squirrelking - Member

There's a difference between intolerance and out and out bigotry. Chewkw wins the prize.

"... out and out bigotry." 😆

We/they don't have bigots over there I am afraid. No time for pussy footing around. If the people don't like each other they would tell them off in their face no if or but. Fact! 🙄

Over there different communities are increasingly being divided since the early 70s due to inflow of extreme religious belief from the middle east, which eventually stirred up hatred amongst people. They only tolerated each other because of dependent on each other but that is changing now.

Believe that if you like but you ARE extremely bigoted. Bigotry isn't a silent thing you know...

What a knob. Obviously doing on purpose to try and get a challenge so he can argue about it.

The bloke slapping the girl is also a knob.

Chekw is like most people I know outside of Europe, they don't have any handwringing guilt about an awful past like I do and they call it as they see it.

I've been on loads of flights to the ME and they often have a prayer area set up with a curtain around it. Everyone prays in silence, no one shouts. This is either a set up or a very extreme case.

squirrelking - Member

Believe that if you like but you ARE extremely bigoted. Bigotry isn't a silent thing you know...

Does that mean a person with intolerance towards others etc is considered a bigot?

How about a person who is intolerance towards a bigot? Isn't s/he a bigot as well? Are you a bigot? 😆

pictonroad - Member

Chekw is like most people I know outside of Europe, they don't have any handwringing guilt about an awful past like I do and they call it as they see it.

We don't dwell on the past because there is no need to. Life is already hard enough for many over there. I am referring to South East Asia btw, so we deal with things our own ways good or bad. A bit difficult for Europeans to comprehend. 🙄

p/s: oh ya, if you stick to the definition of bigot then basically you are also calling most people on STW as bigots. 😆

[quote=CaptainFlashheart ]I had to sit next to a scouser on a flight once.

At times like that a copy of the Sun comes in handy.

big·ot noun \?bi-g?t\ : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Dwelling on the past, no need but being aware of it? Certainly. How can you learn from the mistakes of others if you don't give history its due place?

And please, don't condescend to me with your "Europeans wouldn't comprehend" nonsense. You know nothing about me, what I do or don't understand or the experiences of my friends and family.

I have no "handwringing guilt" about the past. I'm not responsible for any atrocities or otherwise so see no reason why I should be. I just prefer to look at history, look at the background of what was happening and actually learn from what happened. If this rant was about Jews I dare say the situation would be very different.

Why is anti-semitism frowned on yet muslims are considered fair game?

Back in 1980 I flew into Riyadh. There was a burned out wreck of an airliner still sitting at the end of the runway. The pilot had miraculously managed to land it after some bloke on the Haj who came from the back of beyond and had never seen a plane let alone fly on one decided it would be OK to fire up the Primus in the aisle to make a brew. I would rather be on a plane with someone praying loudly.

I used to quite like prayer time when I was out in Saudi. Sitting on the balcony listening to the various mosques cranking it up to 11. It was just part of the scene. Mind you I remember waking up on day 1 out there thinking "that milkman's making a lot of noise". Honestly I did.

Slight hijack folks. Someone is wrong on internet. 😆

squirrelking - Member
Dwelling on the past, no need but being aware of it? Certainly. How can you learn from the mistakes of others if you don't give history its due place?

I learned Chinese/Asian history if that helps then started to have keen interest in European/Middle Eastern history but generally I like history. Funny thing is that I find a lot of commonality amongst them only to be expressed in various ways.

In a way, the past is built into us so to speak or put it this way they/we etc can see you coming ... 😆

And please, don't condescend to me with your "Europeans wouldn't comprehend" nonsense. You know nothing about me, what I do or don't understand or the experiences of my friends and family.

There. You have just contradicted your own views by opposing others. Do you know them well?

If this rant was about Jews I dare say the situation would be very different.

No different. Human are parasitic oxygen abusers regardless or with no exception.

Why is anti-semitism frowned on yet muslims are considered fair game?

I am fair so I threat them equally as parasitic oxygen abusers so get that right will you.

😈

p/s: oh ya where do you come from?

I'd rather sit next to a loud and enthusiastic religious hobbyist than someone who films in portrait.
😉

I used to quite like prayer time when I was out in Saudi. Sitting on the balcony listening to the various mosques cranking it up to 11. It was just part of the scene. Mind you I remember waking up on day 1 out there thinking "that milkman's making a lot of noise". Honestly I did.

Something similar happened to me in Egypt, took me a few days to work out why I was always waking up at 6!

I experienced something very similar on a flight to new york the week after 9-11.

It was one of the first flights from London and in between doing prayers on the floor space in front of his business class seat the guy spent the rest of the flight chanting quite loudly as he read from his holy book.

I think it's fair to say that given the tragic events of the week before the passengers and crew around him were in tatters by the end of the flight and I rather suspect that he knew this and enjoyed seeing the effect his behaviour was having on others.

Ok just to clear something up - are some sects/varieties obliged to do it out loud? Why is this bloke doing this? Is it common in other situations?

Ok just to clear something up - are some sects/varieties obliged to do it out loud? Why is this bloke doing this? Is it common in other situations?

Muslims always pray out loud, but there's no reason for them to shout it.

Edit: not always, depends on the prayer. [url= http://islamqa.info/en/67672 ]But often[/url].

Bit noisy ain't he....
I think this must be a set up, they don't pray like this normally...
Where did he do his ritual cleansing? Did he clean the area around him? How did he know which way was Mecca?
Ok, I'm just being pedantic. But this really does seem more like a set up. Unless he was a complete twonk there is no need for him to be so loud, other than to cause a scene.

Bit noisy ain't he....
I think this must be a set up, they don't pray like this normally...
Where did he do his ritual cleansing? Did he clean the area around him? How did he know which way was Mecca?
Ok, I'm just being pedantic. But this really does seem more like a set up. Unless he was a complete twonk there is no need for him to be so loud, other than to cause a scene.

And how did he know where the sun was, if it was actually the right time of day?

But yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you - he's a ****.

I'd probably open with, "Excuse me, do you mind not making that silly noise?"

And how did he know where the sun was, if it was actually the right time of day?

ME airlines show East on an LCD screen in the prayer area. Also, all hotel rooms in the ME have an arrow pointing toward Mecca in a corner of the ceiling...

Ok just to clear something up - are some sects/varieties obliged to do it out loud? Why is this bloke doing this? Is it common in other situations?

They just mutter them on planes, it's very common on ME flights.

honestly?

I think it's nice - We travel for a number of different reasons, but I think in the main we should expect new and exotic experiences.. The world is a very big and diverse place, and I think it's very arrogant to award our own take on it with too much credence

This guy may have been a bit anti-social to our pathetically insecure and uptight British pallette, but I think it's lovely
I'm a big fan of any outrageous form of self expression.. 😀

If he'd woken up my sleeping toddlers though, I would have issued and carried out an unofficial but very immediate and terminal fatwa, utilising plastic airline cutlery and some hasty guesswork regarding the intricacies of human butchery

If he'd woken up my sleeping toddlers though, I would have issued and carried out an unofficial but very immediate and terminal fatwa, utilising plastic airline cutlery and some hasty guesswork regarding the intricacies of human butchery

Amen to that. I've had no end of overnight flights ruined by children screaming for hours on end.....

I'd have told him to shut up. He'd have no doubt claimed it was his right to express his religious (delusion) faith but I'd have expressed my atheistic right not to have to listen to it.

One day religion will die out. Just a shame I won't be here to see it.

I'd have told him to shut up.

Depends where it was. If it was on a ME airline then I'd have just accepted it as part of their culture, of which I was a guest. It it was on an Easy Jet flight from Stansted to Glasgow, I probably would have said something....

'Why is anti-semitism frowned on yet muslims are considered fair game?'

Arabs are semites and many Arabs are Muslims. Judaism is a religion not a race. I think it's fair game to have a pop at all religions, look at what fun they're delivering on the world and each other at the moment. Why be tolerant? All that does is to let people off the hook.

Why be tolerant?

Next time you're in Saudi Arabia, I suggest you tell them what you think of their religion....

This guy may have been a bit anti-social to our pathetically insecure and uptight British pallette

Being woken up by shouting is never pleasant no matter what country you're from. It's nothing ot do with insecurity and being uptight!

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Next time you're in Saudi Arabia, I suggest you tell them what you think of their religion....

Yes but you are making a good case for intolerance if you are inferring that expressing an intolerant view in that country will beget violence. Is that the point you are trying to make?

Depends where it was. If it was on a ME airline then I'd have just accepted it as part of their culture, of which I was a guest. It it was on an Easy Jet flight from Stansted to Glasgow, I probably would have said something....

Apparently it was a Philippines airline flight and the Arabic writing on the exit is because they lease the aircraft from the ME.

It would have been nice if everyone had joined in enthusiastically- don't know the words? never mind just have a go as loud as you can.

Out of order and deffo provocative IMHO there is no need to do it that loud on a plane with sleeping people. It can be said internally.
I find it hard to believe they did not know they were being an inconsiderate nob and doing it to annoy the infidel tbh.

Usual religious attention seeker type, very annoying.

I'm surprised the cabin crew didn't ask him to put a lid on it, screaming out loud like that must be a bit disconcerting for the other passengers. Aren't there rules for this sort of stuff?

It reinforces my view that religions (all) are just bonkers, yes even moderate ones.

I was once on a flight back from NY and I was sitting next to a Hasidic couple. They told me about their 15 kids and when I raised my eyebrows they told me about their friends who have 25. Anyway, next the bloke got up and formed a minyan near the loos with about 8 others and a copy of the Torah and wailed out prayers for about 10 minutes. It was bizarre and a bit disconcerting (did they know something we didn't?) I can't help thinking if it was 9 football supporters singing out then the airline staff would have acted. At least their gods are real.

Still, it's not ALL bad news. Chew little termites, chew...

[url= http://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/atheism_explodes_in_saudi_arabia_where_just_talking_about_atheism_is_illegal_partner/ ]Barmy Wahabbi[/url]

Judaism is a religion not a race

Interesting statement. I dare say you could have a whole new thread; nay, big chunk of the internet to debate that one.

As to the original video: we don't know the contest behind it. It maight have been deliberate retailiatin for somthing the 'sleeper' had done or said, or just a dickhead being a dickead. Looks somewhat set-up anyway.

molgrips - Member

Ok just to clear something up - are some sects/varieties obliged to do it out loud? Why is this bloke doing this? Is it common in other situations?

They can pray in silent. Period.

Yes, only those with extreme or fanatical views would do such indirect provocation.

stoffel - Member

Judaism is a religion not a race

Interesting statement. I dare say you could have a whole new thread; nay, big chunk of the internet to debate that one.

Debate or not they are a marked race wherever they go (according to my mates). I am still not sure why this is the case. I have to research the history of Egypt because they (Jewish) come from Egypt. I think there is something to do with the definition of my God is stronger than your God thing ...

As to the original video: we don't know the contest behind it. It maight have been deliberate retailiatin for somthing the 'sleeper' had done or said, or just a dickhead being a dickead. Looks somewhat set-up anyway.

If it is a deliberate retaliation then he has just made a mockery of his own belief I mean, cummon! Cummon! Does he have to shout at 35k feet above ground nearer to god? Ya, keep shouting at that height and see if you even annoy your own god.

God please strike down this parasitic oxygen abuser on this plane whenever he starts shouting in your ears at 35k above sea level. 😆

I am still not sure why this is the case.

I never really understood why the Jewish were so reviled either. They always seemed quite froody to me, and they have the best dress code. Drive through Cheetham Hill on a Saturday, place looks like a Darkman convention.

He should have done it in the toilet where that sort of religious crap belongs.