...and have also been ready to climb on my back previously
It's my "previous" which bothered you ? So you were making prejudicial assumptions then ?
I never accused you of [i]"not liking mosques"[/i], I simply said that I liked them. Quite frankly, I didn't really know what the **** you were banging on about.
Yes, I did think it was along the lines of the "Islamification of Britain" in 5 years time. But apparently not. You appear to be concerned that Britain will be in the grips of Islamic terror organisations ...... I've got that right - yeah ?
Apologies for me not initially understanding what your concerns were, and any distraught feelings it might have caused, try to make yourself clearer in the future ?
Why does an ill thought out post make me a racist and a bigot though?
Do you mean -
' Why does assuming that having dark skin means a person is not British' - make me a racist ?'
I think that's fairly easy to work out.
Ernie
I never accused you of "not liking mosques", I simply said that I liked them
Well I was trying to work out your point ?Presumably you don't like mosques ?
trailmonkey
I really CBA any more.
I'm a racist if it makes you happy, so shoot me.
I did not call you a racist I don't think. I did call you a bigot and I stand by that. Ill thought out generalisations about people that are "different" and a fear and hatred shown.
Your attitudes to women, immigrants, Muslims stink and should have been left in the 50s.
🙄These 'extremists' f'kin hate us, hate our freedom, yet want their own and want to take ours.Islam is not a bad religion, but bad people choose to use it as an anti-British tool for hatred and destruction. Islam will continue to grow in this country and with it, so will the factions. One day we'll wake up and wonder what the **** happened.
What are your views on the introduction of the allowance of Sharia courts/law in this country? Shouldn't it be UK law, or nothing? Why on earth can people be allowed to bring their own course of justice to this country?
Or are you going to tell me they don't exist, or because they are few they dont matter?
Peole being racist doesn't make me happy.
People realising that they are and possibly doing something about it gives me a warm glow.
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Because they don't conform to your attitudes TJ?
Yes that's right, I said : [i]"Presumably you don't like mosques ?"[/i] I asked you - not accused you.
I have already said, quote :
[i]"Quite frankly, I didn't really know what the **** you were banging on about.
Yes, I did think it was along the lines of the "Islamification of Britain" in 5 years time"[/i]
Obviously that has caused you tremendous distress, but I had no idea that you were that touchy.
BTW, in my experience people who go completely over the top trying to prove that they are not racists and bigots, invariably are racists and bigots.
At current rate of population growth, polarisation of wealth, etc
Any more sites similar to this, found it quite interesting?
My views on women - the bloody PC brigade should stop being so precious regarding sexism, strangely my wife, who isn't some downtrodden dormouse shares the same opinion.
There was a girl on here berating her female boss iirc, had that been a bloke, no doubt they'd have been accused of being sexist.
Immigrants of whatever skin colour - bring something worthwhile, or don't come - where's the problem?
I have a dislike for Muslim extremists, not Muslims - end of.
BTW, in my experience people who go completely over the top trying to prove that they are not racists and bigots, invariably are racists and bigots.
Ah, yes that old line. In future, I'll not defend anything I say, or anything I'm accused of - in fact that's an idea, because I'm only wasting my breath. I make the odd ill informed commment, agreed, but I'm only ever picked up on anything that yourself, or TJ may be able to twist, or turn on me, yet anything else gets convenienlty ignored.
I dislike a section of immigrants, then I must dislike them all.
I dislike a section of Muslims, then I must dislike them all.
Not read four pages of poisonous waffle, but anyone who thinks that Muslim terrorists attack us because they 'hate freedom' is a bloody idiot. Read some books then come back.
BTW, in my experience people who go completely over the top trying to prove that they are not racists and bigots, invariably are racists and bigots.[b]"Ah, yes that old line. In future, I'll not defend anything I say, or anything I'm accused of"[/b]
So you do think you've gone "completely over the top" then ?
I can make the point that I am not a racist or bigot without going into some sort of semi-hysterical ranting ...... you ought to try it too.
jeez, ernie you need to chill out man, talk about hyper analysing a few words.
From reading a few of your posts it is not hard to see how you 'might' come across as presumptuous about what Str was saying.
Amongst the world's superstitions, Islam is arguably the most contemptible.
That's not racist, that's ooh, I don't know - religionist?
Certainly the more disgusting representatives should be deported to the kind of theocratic hell-holes they seem to want to turn the UK into. Why would they object? It's a free trip to their preferred kind of society,surely?
jeez, ernie you need to chill out man
I can't help it........my hands are trembling and my mouth is frothing, as I am gripped with incandescent rage.
I didn't realised it showed though.........I'll lie down and do some breathing exercises.
arguably
More people killed in the name of Christianity are there not?
You need to differentiate between fundamentalist and conventional islam.
Certainly the more disgusting representatives should be deported to the kind of theocratic hell-holes they seem to want to turn the UK into.
Even if they are UK citizens / UK born and what evidence do you have that it is their aim to do this?
When have I berated conventional Islam Jeremy?
My fervent hope for the longer term future is that the last 25 years of an increasingly service driven economy (ie "selling coffee to each other" rather than actually producing something) backed by crazy house price inflation that makes everyone think they're getting richer even though they are spending twice their income on credit cards comes to a controlled but definitive end.
I also hope we will have restructured some of the large number of ailing businesses that were in trouble before the current recession but have survived on cheap retail credit.
I'm not saying there should be an end to being a home to major financial services (after all they're a big contributor to HMT and indirectly our public services!) but we must add to it agriculture, manufacturing, energy production and other things that will create work, produce goods we can sell and that will feed and cloth the country in the long term as well as ensuring our security.
As un-PC as it sounds we probably need to incentivise people to have less children and to try and get population growth under control.
If the current government can get us started on this path in the next five years then I shall applaud them with all my might.
Oh and just a thought on technology in simple terms.... everyone who self-check outs at the supermarket is helping contribute to the unemployment figures to save a couple of quid on their shopping. If making the machine is the equivalent to 1 short term job then it can save 3 long term jobs for checkout operators. So next time you shop get the surly teenager to scan it otherwise you'll be picking up their social security bill.
He looks a little suspect
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....there a touch of the "middle-east" about him.
STR - In general I agree with you, you can't say anything like you have without being called a racist or bigot by the PC brigade. If agreeing with you makes me a racist then so be it. GENERALLY speaking the most racist people I have come across are people of colour anyway.
I was talking to somebody in the street and I used the word black to describe an objects colour and a man of colour looked round at me as if i'd said the n word. It's a colour ffs, am I never to use it around anyone of colour?
I dislike Islam intensley but then I'm considerably more worried about the tea party lot in the states.
Meh anyway the main thing I'd like in the UK in five years is for KFC to bring back ribs.
In five years it'll be much the same, people muddling through but with newer toys to take their minds off it.
I always get slagged off for being such a stereotypical PC lefty on here - but I'm no fan of Islam. I'm not really a fan of any organised religion, it's just that there is a particularly violent/extreme brand of Islam at the moment which is being heavily funded/exported by rich Saudis (see the history of the Catholic Church for some much worse atrocities btw).
I do sort of agree that it sometimes feels you can't say certain things without being accused of bigotry - the trouble is though, lots of actual bigots use that as an excuse.
Also, many people's perception of Islam is largely based on pretty much made up stories in the tabloid newspapers - there was a thing recently on R4 which investigated several stories, eg because of Muslims they have banned christmas in Birmingham - completely untrue but it's a pervasive myth.
Well it's nice to think that certain extremist groups want to do away with important values such as freedom of speech; coincidentally the same rules that they use to peddle their hate to anyone willing to listen
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It's also nice to see that they respect those who seek to uphold the law
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Well, my opinion on the matter is that if Islamic extremists such as the guy below are correct...
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...Then I reckon it'll look a little bit like this
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But hey, don't worry...it'll probably never happen, so just
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Now if it was Christians acting this way, or Catholics, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists or any one of the other >4000 religions being practiced all over this wonderful world of ours then I'd be just as horrified and disgusted but currently it is Islamic extremists who are choosing to spew their vile, contorted views of what is basically a peaceful religion to anyone willing to listen.
Also, whilst I know that the people in the photos represent a very very very (repeat multiple times more) minutely small proportion of practising Muslims in Great Britain, it still saddens me to think that the British government tolerates such behaviour and such blatant inciting of racist hatred, all because they wouldn't want to be seen as being racist themselves.
I think the people in the picture below have the right idea...laugh in the faces of the extremists as after all, I can't see the image of London above becoming a reality and hopefully, they (the extremists) will all get bored once they realise that a) they aren't achieving much with their protests and blowing themselves up, and b) that the afterlife doesn't actually exist and there are no virgins waiting for them...how very disappointed they will be!
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Adios!
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Not bin following this Tescos Value Thread; what's the skinny?
Ought I to be to be enraged?
CSI's on. I'll report back in a while...
What would[b] I[/b] do about it? [b]I'd[/b] kick people, with the attitude depicted in my first post, out of this country,
Seems to imply you think it's 'your' country. Care to explain why you think this?
Like, I'm brown, and that, and think it's 'my' country too, and happen to disagree with just about every bigoted narrow minded ignorant view you have.
Care to explain why [i]your[/i] views should take priority over mine? Or indeed, the Law of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
As for Mosques and that; I'd rather stuff like this, than some of the boring crap we see sprouting in our cites:
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Beautiful tile work there.
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Ooohhhhhhh....
Sweet mother of Mary Fred, you had to search long and hard through the thread to pick up on that little point didn't you?
As ernie addressed me in the first person, I replied in the first person, ok?
ernie_lynch - MemberI only asked what [b]your[/b] problem was and what [b]you[/b] wanted to do about it.
I'm struggling to pick out a comment where I claim that my views take priority over yours, or anyones for that matter - they are simply my views. If they offend you, then rest assured that I'll still have a good nights sleep tonight.
Just for the record, what is your opinion of British(?) Muslims that carry placards stating 'Europe, you will pay. Your Extermination is on it's way' and 'Behead those that insult Islam'?
I'd be really interested to hear your views.
When did I even mention Mosques, apart from when ernie searchingly and misguidedly implied that I might not like them?
Time to go to bed Fred.
Although you can try and answer my question above if you're capable first.
I'm struggling to pick out a comment where I claim that my views take priority over yours, or anyones for that matter - they are simply my views.
That's a fair point Elfinman.
Just for the record, what is your opinion of ........ 'Behead those that insult Islam'?
It's just a bit of light-hearted banter ffs ........ I wouldn't take too seriously. Don't say you never came out with stuff like that in your youth when you wanted to impress the young ladies - I know I did.
Lol - ernie.
All's well and no-one got hurt (hope Fred makes it to bed without falling over the [s]dog[/s] cat)
Another day, another argument no doubt.......
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
"What are your views on the introduction of the allowance of Sharia courts/law in this country? Shouldn't it be UK law, or nothing? Why on earth can people be allowed to bring their own course of justice to this country?"
Out of curiosity, what's your view on the existance of beth din courts in the UK?
All's well and no-one got hurt
Indeed, and he's not even suppose to drink you know ....... it's against his religion. I can't imagine what his dad would say.
BTW, what do you think of this Islamic slogan ?
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what's your view on the existance of beth din courts in the UK?
Are you having a little dig at STR 'cause his grandad was a refugee from Nazi Germany Northwind ?
That sounds positively tasteless Ernie, I wouldn't target someone because of their religious background, I'm an equal opportunities c**t.
In 5 years time the UK will be slightly wetter, slightly warmer, but with a different shaped gear stick on the Ford Fiesta.*
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*They MIGHT have revived the Metro by then, but I doubt it.
You gotta love Fred - all over you with the critiscism, yet when asked a pertinent question, clears off to bed (again).
yet when asked a pertinent question, clears off to bed
Don't ......... he's probably feeling a little precious this morning 😐
It's in their genes you know ........[i]'firewater'[/i] has always played havoc with gentlemen from the colonies.
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I see Fred still hasn't found the time to reply, yet manages to be very vocal on the TJ Commuter thread.
Any reason for that Elfin?
will egypt, greece, spain etc be better places to live than the uk in 5 years after all their protesting?
We are just reaping the benefits of short term political policies and a generally lazy population.
will egypt, greece, spain etc be better places to live than the uk in 5 years after all their protesting?We are just reaping the benefits of short term political policies and a generally lazy population.
i think the simple answer is no. The days of cheap oil are over, and with it cheap food.
With increasing human population, maggots, all places will be difficult to live.