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It's next to a pub where I go to play guitar and sing most Tuesday evenings, so it would be handy to park there from 7pm to 9:45pm.
Some say that after 6pm it's not a disabled space, it's free for anyone. I'm not convinced.
I'd say it's disabled only, M-F 8-6; then open to all at all other times, with a max 3 hour stay
Disabled badge holders only with applicable time restrictions applying to them. If you don't have a badge you can't legally park where the restrictions apply.
I'd agree with nicko74. Although I'd probably park somewhere else just to be certain of no ticket.
I would interpret that as a disabled bay, which can be parked in by blue badge holders without any time restrictions between 8am and 6pm
After 6pm anyone can park there for 3 hours.
My justification is that they wouldn't restrict blue badge holders to 3 hours in the evening yet not in the day. Agree it is open to huge misinterpretation and lacks any clarity.
it says disabled badge holders only. The times below are referring to those badge holders.
The times below are referring to those badge holders.
Why limit to 3 hours in the evening and not in the day then? I can't see any logic in that. This isn't meant to be an argument BTW, the responses here so far perfectly illustrate the inadequacy of the sign.
Like others I think that's a disabled parking bay with restrictions rather than a disable parking bay some times and a normal bay at other times.
it says disabled badge holders only. The times below are referring to those badge holders.
This.
Is someone suggesting that disabled drivers don't need parking spaces after a certain time of day?
For those saying it's a full time disabled space what restriction does the Mon-Fri 8am-6pm bracket apply to? I can't see any other restriction that could be applying to.
An example of a full-time disabled space with restrictions from the government website:
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That clearly states the disabled restrictions apply at all times.
I think it's a disabled space during the day, with parking (for anyone) in the evenings for a maximum of 3 hours. I'm not sure I'd risk a traffic warden / local busybody agree with my reading of it, thought.
It's disabled only between 8am and 6pm Monday to Friday. At any other time, the only restrictions are max 3hrs with no return in 2hrs.
It says so on the sign.
Is someone suggesting that disabled drivers don’t need parking spaces after a certain time of day?
Well it could be that if the space is intended to support access to a office block or shopping centre that's open between 8am and 6pm. IDK as the yoot say.
I readit as
During business hours this carpark is only available to disabled badge holders only.
Outwith those times you can park for up to three hours and can't return for 2.
The rational for that would be to ensure it doesn't just fill up at 6pm and stay full for the rest of the evening. Ie keep some parking capacity available at all times so people don't start parkin elsewhere out of desperation.
I actually think its pretty clear*. But can kinda see why a double look is required.
*I could ofcourse be totally wrong. But its the only way the sign makes sense.
There used to be an almost identical one outside Exeter Library.
I parked in it one evening (funnily enough doing a gig at a nearby venue) and received a ticket.
I managed to successfully argue my way out of it though when I pointed out the ambiguous nature of the sign.
No idea. I'd give up and park somewhere else.
Well it could be that if the space is intended to support access to a office block or shopping centre that’s open between 8am and 6pm.
Ah. The pub that the OP wants to go to has a no-disabled access policy?
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Similar sign where a non-badge holder got a ticket https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=34390
If parking was permissible for non-badge holders for some periods there would be a second sign that detailed those restrictions. An example is if parking is a clearway for some periods. The clearway sign would be at the top, then a separate parking restrictions sign below (e.g. 8am-6pm 2 hours max stay, no return 1 hour)
It's just the spacing on the sign which makes it confusing. Use the same text and a different spacing and it reads.
Disabled badge holders only Mon-Fri 8am-6pm.
Three hours at any other time no return within 2hrs.
For those saying it’s a full time disabled space what restriction does the Mon-Fri 8am-6pm bracket apply to?
My interpretation is that 1. It's a disabled space. 2 if entitled you can park there from 08.00-6.0pm for as long s you want, 3. outside that time its just 3 hours, 4 and you can't return before 2 hours
Agree that it's ambiguous though and other people would interpret it a different way
yeah this is my interpretation also. No non-disabled-badge-holders at all.My interpretation is that 1. It’s a disabled space. 2 if entitled you can park there from 08.00-6.0pm for as long s you want, 3. outside that time its just 3 hours, 4 and you can’t return before 2 hours
Why not call the council and ask them to clarify?
Ah. The pub that the OP wants to go to has a no-disabled access policy?
Well, unlikely woah, I'm not starting an argumentathon.
OP - is there a disabled sign painted on the tarmac in the space? That might provide some clarity.
Thanks for the inputs.
Yes, the spaces are marked "Disabled" on the road. There are 5 bays covered by this sign, and the bit of road next to it, nearest to the pub and main road (with a theatre close by) has 5 disabled spaces, all covered by a Disabled - at all times sign. This one has no qualifications on it.
I refer to my initial statement: Some say that after 6pm it’s not a disabled space, it’s free for anyone. I’m not convinced.
Disabled badge holders only.
They can park for any amount of time during the day, their use is restricted the rest of the time (ie. badge holders can’t use it as a space to leave their car overnight). It’s probably to enable disabled visitors, and stop disabled residents from using it for full time parking.
Why limit to 3 hours in the evening and not in the day then? I can’t see any logic in that.
To prevent cars being parked there permanently
Now I've just noticed the sign that Toby posted. As that has the 'at all times' clarification, that is clear to me. The original is definitely ambiguous without it.
If there's disabled signs on the tarmac though I'd not park there at all.
1. Because rule 1.
2. Might get my windows put through.
It's the same wording used on No Parking signs next to single yellows. The times tell you when the restrictions apply, outside of those times you can do what you like.
Definitely parking restricted to disabled badge holders only, all day, every day.
The rest is confusing nonsense about restricted hours that won't matter to anyone who isn't using a disabled badge
My interpretation is that 1. It’s a disabled space. 2 if entitled you can park there from 08.00-6.0pm for as long s you want, 3. outside that time its just 3 hours, 4 and you can’t return before 2 hours
Agree that it’s ambiguous though and other people would interpret it a different way
I would go with this interpretation, but again, it’s rather ambiguous.
Ah road marking...
Only ever disabled. I imagine its to prevent badge holders hogging it then the daily badge users having no spaces every day.
Disabled bay at all times
Mon- Fri 8am-6pm max stay is 3 hours & no return within 2 hours. Outside those times park as long as you like.
Between 8 and 6 a disabled person can park
after 6 disabled permit holders can only park for 3 hours. If they leave they can’t return for 2 hours.
I guess the restrictions outside of 8 to 6 are to stop people leaving their car overnight, or permanently.
Disabled bay at all times
Mon- Fri 8am-6pm max stay is 3 hours & no return within 2 hours. Outside those times park as long as you like.
That’s what the second image says first and second signs aren’t the same
Blue Badge user here (not holder- it's issued in my son's name).
I take it to be BB parking 8am-6pm only then free for all after 6pm for a maximum of 3 hrs.
Because it doesn't say "At all times" like Toby's example and ISTR that the BB only gives you 3 hrs parking anyway (can't check as Fb jnr is off with a carer atm) so you don't need to state how long BB holders can stay.
If we tried to park after 6pm & all spaces were taken with non BB cars then we wouldn't get the hump based on that interpretation. Obviously the traffic warden may have a different view!
There are signs I'm sure in Edinburgh that have very similar signs but replace blue badge only with permit holders only
They quite clearly mean permits only 8 til 6. Outside those hours it's free parking max 3 hrs
The blue badge bit confuses for some reason. But I agree with fbatb above
The only way to be 100% is to see the traffic order, which means requesting from council
It's for disabled badge holders only. It says that at the top. It then gives information about the restrictions... for disabled badge holders.
The version that @toby has posted is obviously a later revision to fully clarify and remove ambiguity.
obviously
Many things it may be, but "obvious" is demonstrably not one of them or we'd all be agreeing.
Disabled bay at all times
Mon- Fri 8am-6pm max stay is 3 hours & no return within 2 hours. Outside those times park as long as you like.
That's how I read it. Based on what the sign says.
That's not what it says. "3 hours at any other time."
Nope it's quite clear it's disabled badge holders only, 24/7, between Mon to Fri 8am to 6pm additional restrictions apply to blue badge holders limiting them a max of 3 hours, at other times it's still blue badge holders only but there are no restrictions on duration or but you can't return within 2 hours. It's very badly worded.
It’s very badly worded.
It really is.
it’s quite clear
It really isn't.
Not clear at all.
Think we agree it's disabled badge holders only 24/7
Between Mon-Fri 8am-6pm there are no restrictions.
At any other time it's restricted to 3 hours and no return allowed within 2 hours.
Maybe?
There are signs I’m sure in Edinburgh that have very similar signs but replace blue badge only with permit holders only
Yeah, I know the ones you mean.
Permit Holders Only
1pm - 3pm
So perhaps in the OPs case it's because all times are covered that the Disabled Badge Holder Only applies all the time?
If it just said
Disabled Badge Holders Only
Mon - Fri
8am - 6pm
Then it would only apply at the certain times
This is the sign equivalent of eats, shoots and leaves.
Very unlikely to find a parking warden after 6 in Bristol IME. I would park there. Take photos of the sign and suggest my consulting services to the council if they decided to give me a ticket.
It's Schrodinger's parking bay
It reminds me of those optical illusion posters that pop in and out, just when you see the illusion it pops the other way and you can't unsee it. Until you can again
Aggghh
If someone handed me something as badly worded as that I'd be asking them very politely to take it away and sort it out.
Take the layout away and read the text sequentially it could break in a number of places but this is really the only one that seems to work to my mind.
Disabled badge holders only Mon-Fri 8am - 6pm
This is very clear during that time the disabled badge restrictions apply
3 hours at any other time
this second bit needs to belong to something and since there's no earlier restrictions on length of stay it has to either mean:
Disabled badge holders can only park for 3 hours outside the working day - that seems an odd rule to me without some specific factor to drive a need for that restriction.
OR
Demand for disabled spaces is lower at that time and the intention is others can then make use of the spaces but not for more than 3 hours.
Even that seems a bit odd unless it's trying to prevent overnight parking. IMO the second one is the right one.
Really not adding anything. But in the old days my grandparents used to have to put their arrival time on the little clock on the badge. Is that still a thing? Was it ever a thing am I misremembering?
Also; helping your uncle jack off a horse.
I actually had to read it carefully a few times even though I make these kinds of signs for a living. It's very ambiguous and I suspect it's been made by someone who's gone rogue as I've never seen one worded like this before. 🙂
suspect it’s been made by someone who’s gone rogue
Given the way Star Wars has been going I expect this will be the next baddie in a Disney+ series.
But in the old days my grandparents used to have to put their arrival time on the little clock on the badge. Is that still a thing? Was it ever a thing am I misremembering?
Disc Parking is still a thing. Rawtenstall has free parking but you've to put a card in the window showing your arrival time. Accrington flirted with the same scheme, then realised that adding barriers to parking in an already near-dead centre did no-one any favours.
Given the way Star Wars has been going I expect this will be the next baddie in a Disney+ series.
Park Sidious?
Parking discs still very much a thing in North Yorkshire. My only ever parking ticket was a result of me incorrectly setting my arrival time correctly (brain fart 12/24hr clock).
It really isn’t.
It’s bloody clear.
Disabled badge parking only. Not a badge holder, then you can’t park here. Stop reading. Stop finding excuses to use the disabled parking.
Badge holders can park as long as they want in the day period specified.
Outside that period, badge holders can only park for 3 hours, and can’t return within 2 hours.
Stop finding excuses to use the disabled parking
Eh? Was that ever the intention?
It’s bloody clear.
Again,
If it was "bloody clear" then we wouldn't be on page 2 and counting with multiple interpretations of the same thing, even allowing for people who are just opinionated but wrong (hiya!). You may well be correct in your interpretation, but it is far from clear.
My theory is that there's a very puritanical councillor who thinks that it's fine for disabled people to park there when they're doing an honest day's work, but I don't want them going out and enjoying themselves on weekends and evenings.
And no, I don't park there, I park in the Specialized shop car park about 300 metres away.
Park Sidious?
Two thumbs up
Think we agree it’s disabled badge holders only 24/7
No, that's the bit we don't agree on!
My interpretation is that it is disabled parking ONLY from 9 to 5pm
Outside of these hours it is a free for all but within the other conditions stipulated (3 hours max and no return)
In Abergavenny we have similar zones for resident permits only from 9-5 but without any additional constraints. If it was always just for residents then there would be no need for the time contraints to be noted.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/ @51.8228349,-3.0140145,3a,15y,287.9h,93.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPuTkNIijbbfnd6Cqf4swzw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DPuTkNIijbbfnd6Cqf4swzw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D287.8974957205527%26pitch%3D-3.4232654687785242%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu
...suspect it’s been made by someone who’s gone rogue...
Like this one... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm
See also "Bogner Regis" sign 2023, "Goldalming" and "Trefwynwy" signs 2024
Bloody disabled. Think they can park anywhere eh!
Took my mum out for her birthday, she hands me a disabled sign thing, says just park on the double yellows and stick this in the window! I punched her straight in the gob.