+1 on the baby wipes.
[i]The upcoming changes to VED won't affect older cars.[/i]
Hmm, you reckon?
01-Oct-06 12m Car Tax 300.00
01-Oct-07 12m Car Tax 300.00
17-Sep-08 12m Car Tax 402.50
30-Sep-09 12m Car Tax 405.00
30-Sep-10 12m Car Tax 425.00
30-Sep-11 12m Car Tax 425.00
25-Sep-12 12m Car Tax 460.00
My wife's old car - bought new in 2006...
I tried the baby wipes before but it doesn't really work when you sweat like a pig, you just end up pushing sweat about.
I work in an office full of mainly young women and they just ended up whining all day about the smell and spraying perfume around the office. I think most of it was playing acting but the boss took it more serious even though he admitted he couldn't smell anything. I now have my window wide open regardless of the weather and guess what they now whine about being cold. When the boss talked to me about the window being open I just said it was to stop me getting too hot and smelling.
Like I said I would love to cycle to work, along with my running, it would speed up reaching my weight goal.
01-Oct-06 12m Car Tax 300.00
01-Oct-07 12m Car Tax 300.00
17-Sep-08 12m Car Tax 402.50
30-Sep-09 12m Car Tax 405.00
30-Sep-10 12m Car Tax 425.00
30-Sep-11 12m Car Tax 425.00
25-Sep-12 12m Car Tax 460.00My wife's old car - bought new in 2006...
That's for one car? Petrol or diesel?
It's a big hike. I'm not really familiar with the 'new' tax bands, as I'm still rolling on pre 2001 simple tax, where there's only two tax bands. And the only rises are about level with inflation. And I would've thought that's how current cars would be dealt with if tax were to raise for new diesels, but maybe not?
[i]That's for one car? Petrol or diesel?[/i]
Freelander 1st gen auto diesel.
We bought it pre the (then) new tax co2 regime - it ended up twice the tax cost of my car, a 1998 V8 535i...
Just making the point that Govt can easily change ANY tax cost.
Just making the point that Govt can easily change ANY tax cost.
They didn't though did they. The Freelander fell under the high emission rules that cars after 2001 came under the prices for the high emission ones increased overtime. Just how they were meant to.
^ That makes more sense. I did think about delving into the world of modern cars for a second ... now I'm not so sure. Seems complicated to me.
When I was a lad...
We try not to use the car, it's definitely an occasional use thing and we have thought about getting shot of it completely but it does have its uses (mostly biking holidays!). If Diesel was effectively killed of with tax though I think that would drive me over the edge to do so as I would not have another petrol car.
[i]They didn't though did they. The Freelander fell under the high emission rules that cars after 2001 came under the prices for the high emission ones increased overtime. Just how they were meant to[/i]
Yes, but the rule came in after the car was bought (new), so the same can happen again and they could double/triple the tax on all diesels and apply it retrospectively.
FWIW the 2007 model reduce its co2 by a couple to get below the 'top' tax. Her current one has twice the bhp, does the same mpg but the tax is less than half the old one.
The upcoming changes to VED won't affect older cars.Hmm, you reckon?
01-Oct-06 12m Car Tax 300.00
01-Oct-07 12m Car Tax 300.00
17-Sep-08 12m Car Tax 402.50
30-Sep-09 12m Car Tax 405.00
30-Sep-10 12m Car Tax 425.00
30-Sep-11 12m Car Tax 425.00
25-Sep-12 12m Car Tax 460.00My wife's old car - bought new in 2006...
June 2005-2015 £110 VED for the same car, which I still drive; '51 Octavia 1.9TDi.
Your point, caller?
Yes, but the rule came in after the car was bought (new), so the same can happen again and they could double/triple the tax on all diesels and apply it retrospectively.
It was 2005 wasn't it?
I don't see modern diesels dumping great clouds of soot out under acceleration as older ones do and the three cyl engine in mine is quite petrol like in its revyness. My wife commutes 20 miles ew so 50mpg+ makes a real difference both cars are £30 per year in tax and a tank of fuel usually lasts me a month.
What I find inefficient is the size of many new cars, I get cars from work quite frequently and they just seem to get bigger each your, presently have a zafira tourer which is like a spaceship and completly pointless most of the time.
If i was to apply a new tax scale for vehicles it would reflect the cars size and weight as much as its emmisions.
Our present personal cars will last for the next 6/7 years then we will hopefully get electirc cars powered by our own electricity from solar panels on the house roof.
We'll make much bigger gains by reducing car usage than by improving their efficiency.
This is what worries me. Knowing how our governments love an easy target with the moral high ground as a back-up. It will just end up another tax stick to beat the poorest with, with the usual f$$k-em mentality because it doesn't affect them and they can afford it, nice empty roads for the well heeled to bowl about on at everyone's expense.
They have pretty much got away with the astronomical rises in car tax unopposed under the ruse of saving the environment! again the majority of us living and working in the present/real world have our incomes savaged from all angles, with next to f$$k all realistic alternatives, just sanctimonious preaching from those who it suits and doesn't affect.
As said before, diesel still rules the roost for fleet cars.
When choosing my new company car, I really wanted something like an A3 with the 1.4TSI petrol engine, but even though the actual cost of the car us much lower than some of the diesel variants, I couldn't get the trim / spec I wanted so have ended up with another diesel. BIK didn't really cone into now the modern petrols are so good, but the higher lease values killed it for me,
As a personal buyer I'd be wary of the tech required in modern diesels to meet the current legislation. Further diwn the l e, it will cause issues.
My current 10 year old golf tdi will should last a few years yet then I'm guessing electric/hybrid may well be a serious option but we don't long journeys more than a few times a year.
For my van I can't see anything other than diesel for now
I thought developed world are more environmental conscious but what I find is truly surprising as diesel cars are all over the place. Ya, like preaching to developing and 3rd world to be environmentally clean ... what a joke.
In Thailand practically all cars, unless they are massive haulage trucks, are dual fuel with LPG and guess what people favour LPG all the way with petrol and diesel as backup.
In Malaysia, majority of household cars are petrol while all taxis are LPG (dual fuel favouring LPG all the way) and there is hardly any household cars running diesel, because they would have to apply for permit to drive a diesel car which is not cheap. Most diesel engine cars/4x4 etc are usually registered as business vehicles with permits.
In Singapore, if I can recall it is the same as Malaysia in terms of fuel but then if you want to buy a new car you need to bid for a permit and that will normally cost as much as the new car. Most household cars are petrol btw.
The Philippine is rather relax with fuel selection and I think petrol is still the favourite when I was there. However, the poorer people would go for diesel ... not sure about LPG there.
Indonesia and other S.E. Asia nation I don't know. Brunei is petrol coz petrol is very cheap.
Now, if the UK govt really wants to get clean emission then they should favour LPG because electric cars are still in their early days to be considered by people.
I drive a petrol Toyota Corolla automatic and the fuel consumption is obviously not as good as diesel but if I were to buy new I would convert it to LPG dual fuel.
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The future for diesel is OK I think, me brother works at jaguar/land rover - seems the private ownership of cars is what will be changing future
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The future for diesel is OK I think, me brother works at jaguar/land rover - seems the private ownership of cars is what will be changing future
I'm not so sure; my best friend works for the environment agency in London and is under the impression that Diesel is responsible for a notable reduction in life expectancy...
The whole fuel consumption-tax-CO2 system needs a shake up. The consumption figures that manufacturers quote are a joke at best and really don't reflect how cars are driven. None of the cycles reflect cruising at 70 on the motorway for instance.
Two cars at our house: 1.4TSi Ibiza and a 2.0 Diesel Astra estate. The Ibiza usually returns high thirties and the Astra high forties but the Ibiza has much lower tax. The official Ibiza figures are all around 60. The only way I can get it over 40 is on an A road run driving like a nun.
Here's a thought: tax company cars on the fuel consumption they actually achieve. That might have many positive results, like fewer un-necessary journeys, less tear-arsing around and the drivers would soon find which cars are actually easy to get good consuption out of in real-world driving.
They'd still chose Diesel mind. Doh.
Diesel is responsible for a notable reduction in life expectancy...
Ay? Life expectancy is rising fast?
LPG should be the solution before alternative fuels are developed/matured ... 😮
Amadias - i find the concept of a 3 hour fuel stop odd.
Electric cars still in infancy. Fine for pootlibg about the big smoke - not so good for driving the highlands of scotland
As for the lower price of diesel to unleaded on the forecourts at the moment, apparently two main reasons, one being seasonal demand, or lack of for heating oil. The other is that Saudi Arabia have just recently opened their new refinery which has enormous capacity and they've gone and turned the taps fully open.
How much oil is there exactly under the Middle East?
Do you suppose that once we've drained all the oil out, of everywhere, there will be no more plate tectonics as we've taken all the lubricant away?
Life expectancy is rising due to prevention/treatment of the major killers of a few decades ago. Most have us have family members who would be long dead without their statins, stents, rat poison and cancer treatments.
[url= http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/12/health/diesel-fumes-cancer/index.html ]Diesel fumes cause cancer[/url]. Diesels with particle filters produce less soot but still produce soot. The soot that is produced is very fine and we breathe it. Then there's the diesel and petrol vapour which get through the cats and filters, because no engine burns all of its fuel.
The 3% BIK surcharge drops off diesel next tax year for company cars, so they will become even more popular. Though our list is already 99% diesel so no change here.
If i was to apply a new tax scale for vehicles it would reflect the cars size and weight as much as its emmisions.
Given that most engines are quite similar in their efficiency, the emissions per km figure pretty much achieves that.