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could never go veggie, and definitely not vegan.
I'd declare bacon as a vegetable for the purposes of being vegetarian.
Reading the study it seems to be a pretty convoluted calculation of the CO2 equivalent produced in the production of the foods on which they eat.
Again, as all these 'meat produces X amount of CO2' stories, it seems to fall foul of the problem if identifying the source of the meat - for example intensively reared and cereal fed American beef had a very different CO2 profile from extensively reared grass fed british beef cattle.
so, once again, a none story by drum beating veggies!
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/i-am-the-greatest-thing-of-all-time-says-bacon-2013030761993 ]Bacon, you say?[/url]
[i]But I think i just got the amount of rennet wrong.[/i]
That wasn't rennet 😕
So going back to the original question: What do meat eaters think about this?
I think we could summarise by concluding that we really couldn't give a ****! 😀
Northwind - Member
binners - Member
Can you make decent cheese with dogs milk?I can't. But I think i just got the amount of rennet wrong.
All good and well until someone thinks of experimenting with dog eggs.
Back to the OP; FWIW, when I'm on a high meat/protein diet, I reckon my [i]personal[/i] methane output is higher. Certainly more deadly.
High protein plus high carbs plus beer = fartogeddon
Britain's methane is prob off the scale. Even the so-called vegeterians consume nothing but eggs, crisps, beans, beer and chips. Allegedly.
my better half is vegan and completely uninterested in evangelising, but (often) as soon as a meat eater hears she's a vegan (in passing) you'd think she'd committed a cardinal sin
This is my experience as well.
Opinionated Gordon Ramsey wannabee "f*** vegetarian" meat eaters are amongst the most annoying people to have to be anywhere near.
Does the report take into account the amount of CO2 created when vegetarians and vegans go f*****g on about themselves being vegetarian or vegan?
2 pages of meat-eaters being overly worried about what veggies eat or think would seem to prove otherwise....
Anyway, a good opportunity to post this...
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This is a meateaters vs vegetarians (who are strangely absent, despite our zealous evangelising tendencies) thread. There is no place for that here.
If you want to eat meat you should appreciate where it comes from, value it more and be prepared to kill the animal that you eat
Likewise, if you want to use fossil fuels you should mine/drill and refine them yourself.
And cut your own hair.
with scissors handcrafted from steel that you smelted from ore yourself
And cut your own hair.
Been doing that for 20 years. Does it save much carbon?
I'm a meat eater/omnivore, my other half is 99.5% veggie*, one of my sisters is vegan, the other one is pescetarian but allergic to dairy.
I definitely fart the most.
None of us (even the serious vegan) evangalise about our choice of diet. I may try and feed the girlfriend donner meat when she's drunk occasionally, but that's merely in jest, and it's not hugely identifiable as meat.
*She has been known to eat burnt barbecue stuff when she's drunk.
Only recently become veggie (of sorts) and have done so for health reasons. I'm not particularly against people eating meat, they can eat what they want.
But the worst thing by far of being a veggie is meat eaters going on about it. Being a vegan must be so much worse!
I'm a meat eater/omnivore, my other half is 99.5% veggie*, one of my sisters is vegan, the other one is pescetarian but allergic to dairy.
But you have compared yourself to three females of the opposite sex. They never, ever fart.
Some years ago I once considered carrying around printed cards with the reasons I don't eat meat and a FAQ as to how I manage to stay alive eating only plant matter. These days I find the best way of avoiding the spanish inquisition is to tell people that my wife is a very strict vegan and also very abusive and bullying so I'm not allowed 🙂
I probably eat less meat than ya average person and more offal too. I'd like to know why we don't eat more insects/bugs/etc... in the western world? I've been playing with it and tried a few now and some are really nice.
Cows are slower so easier to catch.
[quote=binners ]Cows are slower so easier to catch.
I genuinely laughed out loud at that
But the worst thing by far of being a veggie is meat eaters going on about it. Being a vegan must be so much worse!
Mrs Rider got literally brayed out of a farmer's market once for refusing to try the sausage (whilst buying sausage for me and then being offered sausage to try, then made to explain why she didn't want to try the sausage, made the mistake of saying she was vegan) "I bet yr one of those liberals aren't youuuu?" (Farage voice) . The queue behind joined in berating her, I kid you not. wtf is wrong with some people?
Who once expertly said 'pick a side and be a dick about it'? No escape, even if you're not a dick it seems that someone will be along shortly to paint one on you.
back to the topic - ahhh fuhgeddaboutit...
My mrs had a mental breakdown attempting to feed some veggies.
"How about lamb? They only eat grass."
So, nah, a cow's carbon emissions don't come into it in our house.
wwaswas - Member
Problem is that you have to also give up all cows milk based products to have a meaningful effect on CO2 production.The meat is almost a by-product of milk production in most countries.
Unless they kill the calves as they're born they need to keep producing young cattle in order to keep milk production going.
This.
I suppose i have been veggie all this time out of principe rather than dislike of meat and fish. But it bothers me that if everyone did the same overnight, we would not know what to do with all the steers, billygoats and cockerels etc that have to come as part of the overall upkeep of dairy and egg production.
However as ninfan points out there is a huge difference between different farming and rearing methods and their impact on the environment, with co2 emissions being just one measure/symptom.
We could make a huge difference to a lot of areas ecological and otherwise (including a host of rather nasty tummy bugs from hurried and sloppy slaughtering btw) if we decided it was ok to pay the same money per week for a smaller quantity of much tastier meat. Same for milk and eggs too.
How much CO2 would I produce if I were to capture, cook, and eat a meat eater?
I mean, if I were to make a pie out of Binners, what would be the global deficit/gain in CO2?
Or even more through provoking...if I made a pie out of Binners' lower half, would Binners himself eat said pie?
How long could this go on for......??
DrP
Botty burps from cows isn't the problem, as they pass wind from their mouth much more.
At school in the 1970's we were taught to skin, sort out giblets and fillet fish. Not sure this would be allowed nowadays.
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Long pig!
we would not know what to do with all the steers, billygoats and cockerels etc that have to come as part of the overall upkeep of dairy and egg productio
You do realise that the vast majority of male offspring born to and dairy and egg producing farms/are simply killed?
Most dairy breeds are unsuitable for beef production, a few "lucky" ones survive for 12 months as veal calves.
Again, as all these 'meat produces X amount of CO2' stories, it seems to fall foul of the problem if identifying the source of the meat - for example intensively reared and cereal fed American beef had a very different CO2 profile from extensively reared grass fed british beef cattle.
A quarter of all UK beef is imported. It might not be grass fed. Those UK grass fed cattle are also fed soya and corn, a lot of which is imported, some from Latin America. Some may well be GM.
It is something like x8 the energy to produce 1lb of beef compared to 1lb of chicken.
It isn't a non-story. You can get far more output from far less input with other meats and way more with crops.
Most dairy breeds are unsuitable for beef production, a few "lucky" ones survive for 12 months as veal calves.
Blimey. Every day is a school day innit.
Is the reverse true too? Reason i ask is that my brother in law raises steers for beef production and has a few cows (and a bull the size of a car called Troy!) only for producing more steers. But basically he just 'does' steers afaik, and as well as the few he brings into the world, he buys them (again, always steers) young and sells them bigger and meatier for slaughter. i wonder what happens to the few girl calves that he has, and indeed all the other girl calves that come from the herds he gets all his steers from.
Iirc his sheep herds (also for meat not wool or *winces* milk) are unisex, but he keeps them apart for most of the year so his lambs come at a predicatable time. One year, a single ram got in with the ewes and was removed after about an hour of fun, later that year about ten ewes went into labour ahead of schedule 😯
Being a vegan must be so much worse!
it used to be, until i just learned to not give a shit what anyone else thinks about my own dietary preferences. hence how binners is a (semi) regular riding mate of mine; he can spout all this stuff about veggies as much as he likes, i just don't listen!
This story doing the rounds again is a load of poorly researched data cobbled together... The Americans are the worst by far for inappropriate beef consumption, the UK is tiny in proportion
We should care about where the beef comes from and not eat shitty MacDonalds
The methane production from dairy isn't that accurate a science but yes it is a presence in the climate change that us happening
But you have compared yourself to three females of the opposite sex. They never, ever fart.
Do males of the opposite sex fart, then?
Just asking, like... 😉
@herbivore, binbins is one of the best advertisements going for veganism . 🙂
I butchered my neighbour and ate him and now I'm in Broadmoor! Where's the justice I ask you?
@herbivore, binbins is one of the best advertisements going for veganism .
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You're too late, DD. He's gone for a lie down, as writing that post has used up all his energy.
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The new forum wants its joke back.
How much CO2 would I produce if I were to capture, cook, and eat a meat eater?
I mean, if I were to make a pie out of Binners, what would be the global deficit/gain in CO2?
Don't forget to account for his total Greenhouse gas emissions during his life time.
My guess is the methane output is off the charts.
Carbon footprint of these 3 little pigs?
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Not sure but none of them owned a plasma & 3l car/ego chariot 😉
He's gone for a lie down, as writing that post has used up all his energy.
Its why I copy and paste so much...energy saving 😉
This scene from the Lord of the rings, the way he eats, dribbles etc. Get the stuff shoved in!
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Or even more through provoking...if I made a pie out of Binners' lower half, would Binners himself eat said pie?
Yes. My impoverished northern monkey upbringing means I literally have to eat any pastry based product placed in front of me. Even if it contained my own man vegetables
In my own mind, every meal I eat is like Brian Blessed at the banqueting table in Blackadder, and should therefore contain at least half an ox, so I can eat it off the bone, then casually toss over my shoulder
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You simply can't do that with an aubergine. It doesn't have the same impact
On the roadbike last night I was thinking..
Like in the film that crashed in Peru. How long would it take until Veggies and meat eaters tucked into a dead person?
Try not eating for a week. Then two weeks. We are ALL meat eaters. Its only because of the first world that allows us the luxury of choice.