[Closed] What defines a 'Supercar'

None of those are supercars.

All fail the mainstream manufacturer* rule

* especially Datsun

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[i]All modern supercars fail that rule.[/i]

some Lambos will cook you alive if you don't get out of them quick enough....

and they don't, with dull regularity

The merc looks like a kitcar, is there mr2 chassis under there? 😀

nickc - Member

None of those are supercars.

All fail the mainstream manufacturer* rule

* especially Datsun

Lamborhini and Buggati owned by Volkswagen. Ferrari owned by Fiat. Even the ultimate supercar makers technically don't conform to any of Nickc's criteria.

None of those are supercars.

All fail the mainstream manufacturer* rule

* especially Datsun

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Total garbage.

If Honda produced this in road going trim, it would have every right to be termed a supercar.

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Your opinion is wrong, but don't let it worry you, if you think a Datsun/Nissan is supercar material, you don't get it.

It's a racing car made by Honda. Fails the "will it start" and "mainstream" rule

I don't make the rules, that's just how it is.

the GT40 is too old

It ceased production in 2006, unless you want to be a picky so-and-so and claim that, [i]technically[/i], that was a Ford GT.

So if that's too old, so is the F40. And at this point your criteria falls flat on its face, trousers round ankles revealing frilly knickers, right into a freshly laid cow pat. Mouth open.

mainstream manufacturer

Lamborghini = Audi = VW = Bugatti

I'm not sure this holds up.

I kind of agree about the R8, but the Bugatti is a supercar - no doubt in my mind....

F40 is too old. Not in production now, not a supercar.

Supercars are the future, not the past.

If [s]Honda[/s] Mercedes produced this in road going trim, it would have every right to be termed a super car.

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So racing cars don't count.

Supercars are the future, not the past.

..............

Mercedes produced this in road going trim, it would have every right to be termed a super car.

Fairly hard to produce one of those in road trim, wouldn't be that hard for Honda to do it for their racing car. Besides, the point was to highlight that mainstream manufacturers can produce supercars.

nickc - Troll
F40 is too old. Not in production now, not a supercar.

Supercars are the future, not the past.

Why didn't you just say you were trolling and we could've ignored you sooner?

I think you could define a supercar as simply:

2 seats (Maclaren F1 excepted).
Engine to the middle or rear of car.
Very expensive.
Very fast.
Radical looking.
Low, wide, impractical, and noisy.
Use of advanced and/or motor race technology.

Judging by this criteria, the Audi R8, Honda NSX, Ford GT40 are all supercars. The Ferrari 550, Jaguar XK8, Aston Martin DB9 etc are classed as GT cars.

For anyone saying that Supercars can't be made by mainstream manufacturers let me just say that Ferrari is owned and controlled by Fiat, and Lamborghini and Bugatti are owned by the VAG group. Honda also has a fantastic pedigree in motorsport and F1, as does Ford, as does Audi.

I'm not trolling, just 'cause you haven't got the leap of imagination it takes to look beyond fast cars into true SUPER car territory isn't my fault, and F1 cars are just daft.

Performance alone isn't the defining factor, neither is simply price. Super cars are gold painted bejewelled totems of infantile playground oneupmanship, they are motoring penis extension of individualism, if there's a Honda badge on it, it just simply won't do...If your johnny in the street can have a Honda....

Supercar = Teenage bedroom wall poster material.

Back in my youth, the Countach was king

This, I still look at Countach's and Testarossa's as supercars, cars of your childhood, that you had plastered on your bedroom wall, next to your favorite football team and rock band 😉

@rebel an Audi R8 isn't nearly expensive enough to be a supercar, I'd go for £150k minimum - probably more as the base.

Honda badge on it, it just simply won't do...If your johnny in the street can have a Honda....

So the fact that Honda have an F1 pedigree second to none doesn't count then? Or that a Honda NSX was in the supercar parade at Goodwood FOS a few years back? Or the fact that Lamborghini has very little motorsport pedigree and also makes tractors?

[url= http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/comingsoon/nsxconcept/ ]Looks like a Supercar to me[/url]

F40 is too old. Not in production now, not a supercar.

Can we resort to name calling yet? 🙄

Wouldn't class an NSX as a supercar, too sensible looking and a v6... don't think so.

Wouldn't class an NSX as a supercar, too sensible looking and a v6... don't think so.

Okay so all those motoring journalists, magazines, TV appearances, etc, etc who've been calling describing the NSX as a 'Supercar' for years are wrong then? Are Honda perhaps breaking advertising standards by describing it themselves as a Supercar?

"What's that car mate" says idiot in burberry cap (on backwards)

"Why, it's a Honda my fine young man" you reply

"Right, My mate Wayne's got a Honda, well nice it is and he can get Waynetta, and Chardonnay in the back of his"...much chuckling ensues....

NO mainstream manufacturers...thems the rules.

nickc

NO mainstream manufacturers...thems the rules.

Despite what Richard Hammond and Jeremy Clarkson may have told you, it's a debatable subject. There are no set rules. Only criteria which are up for debate. Non of yours hod water.

amesfts

and a v6... don't think so.

no?

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/\ Ok, fair point on the xj220, NA V6 then?

Did they?

I'm sure it's a great car but just not quick or bonkers enough for me to see it as such.

Sub 300 bhp, available with a slush box and looks that you wouldn't give a second glance unless you knew what pedigree it had hiding beneath it's dull exterior.

Not the XJ220, as it wasn't supposed to be a V6...

Although it does pass the "will it start?" rule I'll give you that. 😆

My Honda Jazz is a Super! and it's a Car 🙂

Plus it has Magic Seats so it has to be good.

If you compare what Honda spent developing the Jazz compared to what say Ferrari spent developing their latest mid-engined wonder wagon you could argue the Honda is far more super 😉

If you compare what Honda spent developing the Jazz compared to what say Ferrari spent developing their latest mid-engined wonder wagon you could argue the Honda is far more super

I knew it was Super 🙂

NO mainstream manufacturers...thems the rules.

Oh right, so looks like a supercar, performs like a supercar, sounds like a supercar, expensive as a supercar, more exclusive than lots of other supercars, but according to your rules, not a supercar 🙄

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Bat-shit crazy and dis-proves the "mid/rear engine" rule

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Built for the same reason as the R390 though, so a bit of a cheat. Here's another one:

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Finally!!! 😆

Rebel12. It's a lovely lovely car, don't get me wrong, it would look especially nice on my driveway.

so why isn't it a supercar? well, firstly it's not even original, it's an homage to a 1960's design, the same thing in essence that BMW have done with the mini. Secondly the design cues in it (it was a design exersize for Ford's "Edge" style) gave us the headlights for the Focus...It takes no dramatic leap forwards, indeed, it is solely designed to appeal to the mainstream. It has an engine borrowed from a production American car, and finally they made over 4000 of them, not exclusive enough, I'm afraid.

And its a Ford.

Veyron starts every time, is made by VW and drives like a golf. Does this mean its not a supercar?

I can't think of many cars that go over 210mph that aren't a supercar, so i'm going to go with that as the deciding factor

tpbiker, no it won't, no it isn't (Bugatti may be financed by the VAG group, but it certainly isn't made by them, and I would suspect the artisans at Bugatti would have an opinion about it), and I don't know many golf's that'll do over 200mph.

you decide.

Can I have Lancia Stratos as a supercar?
Ferrari engine, no view out the windows and by all accounts quite quick.

Alfa romeo SZ Zagato, try putting that into a category!

Fugly?

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Shouldn't a super car be highly unreliable and have a fuel tank the size of a thimble?

tpbiker, no it won't, no it isn't (Bugatti may be financed by the VAG group, but it certainly isn't made by them, and I would suspect the artisans at Bugatti would have an opinion about it), and I don't know many golf's that'll do over 200mph.

you decide.

Well if you are going to be pedantic then I'll concede it was designed and developed by the VW group, which is good enough for me. Likewise I realise its probably a bit more advanced and faster than a golf, but by all accounts its not especially tricky to drive, certainly not compared to other hyper cars out there. As for reliability, I know a guy who had one for a year and it never broke down once in the time he had it (granted I assume he rarely used it), so please point me to any reports of unreliability.

My point is the Veyron is (if you take running costs out the equation) proof that a supercar doesn't have to be unreliable and not particularly user friendly.

The Honda NSX is the reason that many supercars nowadays are actually usable. And in particular why Ferrari starting making good cars instead of the likes of the Testarossa and 348. The McLaren F1 was originally going to have a Honda engine but as they said no BMW stepped in. Possibly the best supercar engine ever?

The Veyron is 100% a VAG product. It has a Bugatti badge because VAG bought the long dead name (which had briefly come back to life in the '90s with the EB110).

So is NickC actually a real hamster?

I'm sure nickc will have something snippy to say about it, but when I want his opinion on what constitutes a supercar then I'll give it to him.
This is most definitely a supercar, pretty much faster than anything around a circuit including a Veyron, mad looks, small, non-volume manufacturer, scared the bejayzus out of Clarkson, laydeez an' gennelmen, I give you...

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And it's engine...

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And the specs...

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I thang you and goodnight. 😀

IMO Supercar has got to be 250k and up.

Hypercar -
P1
918
LaFerrari
Veyron?
Hyura? - possibly just the best Supercar
One:1

Supercar-

Aventador
F12
Agera R
M600???

Think that's pretty much all for what's onsale today. Everything else is just a sports car or super sports car.

Honestly - fire must come from it's arse

Driver response to "it catching fire"

tpbiker, no it won't, no it isn't (Bugatti may be financed by the VAG group, but it certainly isn't made by them, and I would suspect the artisans at Bugatti would have an opinion about it), and I don't know many golf's that'll do over 200mph.
you decide.

I work in a design role which you may consider 'artisan' our parent company is a house hold name. I'm quite happy to say what I design is manufactured by them since it's them on invoices and my department is a low profit high exposure showcase. Our product is made on a different site with different tooling by different people but it's still a product of the parent company. VAG bought the Bugatti name, for me it's a VAG product (this is not a criticism of VAG in anyway)

When proton had a share in lotus I would not consider lotus to be in anyway proton as it was a share in the company and as far as I know proton had no hand in developing/designing cars with a lotus badge on them (although lotus tweaked protons existed) this for me is the opposite of what VAG did with Bugatti.

The Veyron differes as Piech bought the Bugatti name and places historically associated with it and produced a vehicle using it. I can't see how the veyron is anything other than a VAG product.

Most subjective thread ever.
911 no
911 Turbo yes
R8 yes
RS6 V10 noooo
NSX V6 yes
Stratos/R390/Panoz/that Merc on the previous page no 'cause they're racing homologation specials
Atom? NO WAY!

I love seeing 15k bikes destroy million $ "supercars".

Definition of a supercar?
Naomi Campbell. You love the look, others are divided.
It is unreliable, liable to turn on you in a flash, totally bonkers and the running costs are insane.
Also the actual performance may not be as high as the looks suggest.
Even so, you'd still love to give it a go.