[Closed] What defines a 'Supercar'

I love seeing 15k bikes destroy million $ "supercars".

I agree...but I also love this video. The rider must have looked in his mirror at 300km/h (can you even do that?) and thought "wtf????". The Audi driver is probably on STW (on his way to pootle round Cannock on an SC Bronson). Maybe not molgrips though. 🙂

The video could only be improved if he had a bike on the roof.

Well I spoke to a c7 Rs6 owner a wee while back and he said his was still pulling strong at 186mph. Clearly he was right 😯

King-ocelot

The Veyron differes as Piech bought the Bugatti name and places historically associated with it and produced a vehicle using it. I can't see how the veyron is anything other than a VAG product.

Not only that but it started out it's development process as a VW prototype, the first car to run a W12 engine, itself derived from two VR6 engines. The Veyron's W16 is a further evolution of this and was used in other VAG prototypes. So not only is it a VAG car, it's engine is derived from a Golf.

Most subjective thread ever.
911 no
911 Turbo yes
R8 yes
RS6 V10 noooo
NSX V6 yes
Stratos/R390/Panoz/that Merc on the previous page no 'cause they're racing homologation specials
Atom? NO WAY!

shifter - Member

Most subjective thread ever.
911 no
911 Turbo yes

Stratos/R390/Panoz/that Merc on the previous page no 'cause they're racing homologation specials

Homologation special, and one of the greatest supercars ever produced.

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The fact that you "could" buy a roadcar that was basically designed to win Le Man isn't a mark down against the car.

It's in the name, Omologato. Lovely car.

Would still rather have an F40 though.

What classification does this get?

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Affordable sports car

northernmatt - Member

It's in the name, Omologato.

You don't say 😀

The answer to pigface's question:

A proper car.

I would sooner have one of those than any "supercar".

And of course I'd fit a bike rack. 🙂

Caterhams and Aeriels are out due to the helmet messing up my hair before I pull up outside the posh hotel

911 no
911 Turbo yes
R8 yes

If that's the case then R8 V8 = no, R8 V10 = yes
At least be consistent.

Only Porsche is the 918

I think you've set your bar a bit too high there. Are we talking supercars (which to me are not THAT exclusive) or hypercars like the 918? Of the current Porsche range I would certainly class the Turbo and GT3 as supercars as would most people. The 918 is a hypercar in my book.

legend - Member
Caterhams and Aeriels are out due to the helmet messing up my hair before I pull up outside the posh hotel

When I was young the recommended performance mod was a shaved and polished head.

Now I don't have to worry about helmet hair... 🙂

Oh I don't know, have driven one and it's docile when you're not in the mood and a raging animal when you are. Does understeer a little but nothing that can't be easily sorted with a few suspension tweaks. Appreciate not quite as lively as a TVR or other RWD stuff, but it's unlikely to send you heading for the undergrowth at the merest hint of rain. You couldn't use most super cars every day now could you?

Did you not find the steering lifeless and the ride too harsh for UK roads? Most high powered Audis I've driven (including various versions of the RS6) have been pretty flawed in the ride/handling/steering department. BMW generally do a better job in this respect and Porsche certainly do.

For a big estate car it's very very good, but for me it doesn't quite cut it as a "proper" sports car as well. The ONLY thing that makes an RS6 exciting is the sheer power, everything else about it is bland. If I could only have 1 big car it would probably be a Cayenne Turbo, which again is not a sportscar but at least it rides nicely.

Anyway an RS6 is definitely NOT a true supercar regardless of having supercar power.

Re. Atom and Caterham/Westfield.

Good question performance wise yes (apart from top speeds)

My mates Westfield with Ford 2.0 duratec tuned engine and track set up used on trackdays was the most mental car I've been in and have been in a few ferraris, lambos etc

Only thing faster was a race tuned R1 an not by much exceleration wise.

As aside has anyone seen the V8 westfield, that the engine is made out of 2 haybusa engines with custom bottom end looked mental 2.6l high revving v8 that weighs very little :-0

This was all done on tracks/airfields I might add.

RS6/M5/E55/etc - Super Saloons

V8 engine http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/index.php/engines/h1-v8-busa 😀

That is just superb- if it was any smaller the throttle bodies'd fall off 😆

LoCo - Member
V8 engine http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/index.php/engines/h1-v8-busa br />

90kg and 1,000 bhp with turbo.

Mmmm, a V-16 version would be just dandy. 🙂

A mere £29000 for the engine and turbos. Chuck in an extra £4350 for engine management and gauges. Plus VAT obvs. I want to put one in a sheddy mini.

Supercars are designed to mess with G-forces, hypercars are designed to mess with G-Strings

"I would have them all shot."

"I would take them outside and execute them in front of their families.

"I mean how dare they go on strike when they have these gilt-edged pensions that are going to be guaranteed, while the rest of us have to work for a living."

Jeremy Clarkson. Estimated wealth £15-20 million.

Loco....dear god thats not far off the kind of power 1980s turbo formula one engines were making.

One of thise in an Ultima GTR or a radical sr8 would be hilarious.

NSX is definitely a supercar. It's rarity and exotic/interestingness of the powertrain that does it methinks. A VTEC V6 that revs to a bigillion rpm is definitely supercar material.

What about this?

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Needs to be able to do back-flips on demand - fact.

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As aside has anyone seen the V8 westfield, that the engine is made out of 2 haybusa engines with custom bottom end looked mental 2.6l high revving v8 that weighs very little :-0

Yeah, that's been the case for a while, it used to be folk'd try and track down scrap bikes for donor engines but these days it mostly means buying a whole bike- mate of mine took offence when his buyer told him he was going to scrap the bike and told him to bugger off 😆 A lot of kitcar dudes seem to have switched to blackbird and zzr engines instead

Imagine being the parts counter dude... Wee queue of people, first person wants cush drive rubbers, next person wants a replacement bolt for his gsxr's windscreen, guy from Atom wants 100 complete busa heads

Wonder what people will be making with the new kawasaki supercharged 1000cc engine in a few year

Held the record for 0-60 seconds for 12 years, 3.07 seconds, assembled by Reliant in their factory using some parts off an old sierra, 520bhp on full boost (in EVO spec), only 146 sold (most by my grandad) . . . .and its a Ford!

The RS200

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Oh and Jeremy Clarkson crashed one when he had a go.

We'll have to wait for Nickc to tell us it isn't.

I'm going to have to step in and say no to the RS200.

If that's in there then so is the Metro 6R4, and that simply cannot be.

If you turned up to to Cannes/Monte Carlo in that ^^^ people would assume you were lost.

Yup, same as the Delta S4 posted above. Truly spectacular cars I'd chose over any modern super car but are technically homologation specials for racing.

Same goes for a lot of the LM cars on the previous page, F40/XJ220/Mclaren F1 could be argued either way I guess...

If that's in there then so is the Metro 6R4, and that simply cannot be.

If the 6R4 can't be in then neither can the XJ220 as they used the same engine.

moshimonster - Member
911 no
911 Turbo yes
R8 yes
If that's the case then R8 V8 = no, R8 V10 = yes
At least be consistent.

It's a tricky one and maybe exclusivity plays a part. On my walk from the station to the office I go through a posh Marylebone square and can confirm that a 911 is the single most common car in there and Porsche the most common brand by some margin! Don't get me wrong, I love 911s and hope I can get a GTS as my next car but I don't really consider them to be supercars whereas I probably do consider even the V8 R8 in that category.

If that's in there then so is the Metro 6R4, and that simply cannot be.

I would like to have a go in a 6R4 and the RS200 as much as if not more than a lot of modern supercars just because of the sheer lunacy of them.

Completely homologation cars though true enough.

Just read about the NSX.. it sounds rather cool, I like that.

If the 6R4 can't be in then neither can the XJ220 as they used the same engine.

I believe the guys on Top Gear pretty much nailed it when they said any rental car 😀

Would love one of those Honda NSXs. Apparently they can be picked up quite cheap.. 😉

funkrodent

Would love one of those Honda NSXs. Apparently they can be picked up quite cheap..

Not for long. I'd say gen-1 and type R's are going to become very rare/valuable soon if not already. The Ayrton Senna connection will ensure they are a sought after car.

Not for long. I'd say gen-1 and type R's are going to become very rare/valuable soon if not already. The Ayrton Senna connection will ensure they are a sought after car.

I used to work beside a Honda dealers and one of their staff must have owned one. Absolutely immaculate car and looked very striking on the road.

Honda NSX is not a supercar, because it was too reliable. I used to work with a guy who commuted from London to Cambridge daily in one. Cheaper to maintain then his Honda estate car.
Apart from that, definitely a supercar.