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Ah, iDave, don't be like that.

You were being so clever firing UK IT bods and hiring Mr Karachi, whos using [b]his cut[/b] of that £600 to put his younger brother through the local Madrassa.

Of course, eventually nobody in the [i]developed[/i] world will have work because you and all those other entrepreneurs employ the entire polpulation of the cheapest country in the world.

You are actively promoting the race to the bottom.
Except for yourself.
You're a winner and you're going to win over everyone else.
And you're going to do it by exploiting cheap eastern labour, cos its more money for you.

Can you please outsource yourself.

STW. Can we have someone in China do iDaves job here, instead please.
We can use the cash saved to fix the website.

😀

This beans discussion is all getting very scientific, so I'll add in a further variable. What are the implications for salt/sugar content, runnyness and taste when sausages are added to the tin of beans?

And what are the subsequent implications for marketing and branding?

Bored now.

Ah, has-beans.

you are of limited ability to understand the Captain.

He's on the verge of a banning for referring to himself in the third person.. lets see how that goes..

🙂

Oh god, how did this come back?

Anyway. Mr TJ I'm with you on what you're saying but we are all influenced Brands and marketing wether we like it or not.

TandemJeremy - Member

No matter what the marketeers do I would still buy based on price, convenience and taste.

I don't think this is true, you strike me as somebody who has strong ethics and therefore somebody who would make a positive brand choice outside of your above factors.

For example:

Would you buy chepaest coffee going without thinking (or caring) about where it comes from, who the farmers are etc.

or

Would you maybe spend a little bit more and buy "FairTrade"?

"FairTrade" is a brand BTW. You can make positive Brand based decisions.

binners are the sausages in the tin OR are they added later?
This brings up a whole sausage discussion 😆
personally I prefer local butcher produced sausages rather than the cheap ones where production has been outsourced

Captain, just stating answer b) would have taken less time.

You're quite the little xenophobe aren't you?

Did you lose your job to a smarter dark skinned chap?

What I would be very interested in is TJs approach to buying beans on special offer and how that effects further purchases.

For example, let's say his local shop stocks to brands of beans. One, let's call it Brand A, is normally 48p per tin. Brand B is 47p per tin. Of course this means that TJ always buys the brand at 47p because they are cheaper.

However, Brand A have a special promotion on - it's 'Buy One, Get One Free' so TJ buys them because they now represent better value for money.

On trying them for the first time, he realises the beans offer a far superior taste.

Of course, the next time TJ goes into the shop, the promotion has finished and Brand A at back at their regular price of 48p per tin.

So TJ - do you now spend the extra 1p to get a tastier bean in a richer sauce?

I typed a reply to TJ but it got lost.

Anyway it boils down to this:

1) TJ doesn't realise the difference between marketing and advertising, and thinks we are accusing him of being weak minded.

2) He's saying how he is uninfluenced by marketing and that I'm not listening to him; HOWEVER he is insisting that I AM influenced by marketing when it comes to my choice of car despite me repeatedly telling him that I'd not seen a single advert for the car in question until at least a couple of years after I'd bought it. Which is downright rude, again.

He's doing the EXACT same thing he's accusing me of.

Molgrips - I have tried to explain but you don't want to hear. You seem incapable of understanding that some people have different ways of thinking and acting.

I completely understand the difference.

I don't think you accuse me of being weak minded. I know you don't understand my decision making. It is clear you actually don't want to undserstand and my guess is it is because to accept that there are many folk like me undermines your sense of self worth. You believe what you do makes a difference - with people like me it does not.

On the Prius - it does not matter whether you saw an ad or not - you still believe the marketing hype. The prius over its lifetime is not significantly less polluting than any other similar car. You vehemently deny this truth. However it remains true. You believe the marketing bollox on the pruius in the face of the truth.

You accuse me of being rude - just have a look at your posting. You simply do not understand and are incapable of accepting you might be wrong. You accuse me of being wrong on the basis of your lack of knowledge and understanding

MF - you have completely failed to understand again. The answer to your question is mu. I use a range of shops I buy differently depending on a range of criteria and this will change as on each occasion the weighting on the different criteria changes depending on circumstances.

So - to your question the answer remains mu.

With that I shall bow out. Its completely pointless as you guys will not accept that something outside of your experience can exist.

What about "Fairtrade" goods then?

I buy differently depending on a range of criteria and this will change as on each occasion the weighting on the different criteria changes depending on circumstances.

Thats cleared that up then

MF - you have completely failed to understand again. The answer to your question is mu. I use a range of shops I buy differently depending on a range of criteria and this will change as on each occasion the weighting on the different criteria changes depending on circumstances.

Or, if it helps, pretend for a minute that all the shops you frequent only stock Brand A and Brand B beans, all charge 48p and 47p respectively and all are running the same promotion at the same time.

As that is not the reality no answer is possible.

but...

What about "Fairtrade" goods then?

no answer is possible.

On the Prius - it does not matter whether you saw an ad or not - you still believe the marketing hype.

What, just because I don't agree with you? Neither your nor I have all the hard facts on the subject. I do however believe I know more on the subject than you do, especially since you're frequently wrong when you have tried to put hard facts forward. But anyway that's off topic.

You seem incapable of understanding that some people have different ways of thinking and acting.

Of course I'm not. What makes you think that?

Tiger - I buy fairtrade sometinmes. I buy fairtrade for the same reasons as I buy other products. I buy because of what it [b]is [/b]not what it is [b]marketed as[/b]. Sometimes these two things are the same - sometimes they are not.

This is a part of what you guys don't get. The marketing is irrelevant to me because that is not why I buy it. I buy it for my reasons not theirs.

Of course I'm not. What makes you think that?

Your absolute refusal to even consider what I say.

mastiles_fanylion - Member

"no answer is possible."

Of course there is. You just daren't answer it.

Rubbish - you are asking me to say what I would do in a situation that does not exist. The answer is mu - the question is meaningless. Or the answer is I don't know 'cos that has never happened and cannot happen.

Answering a stupid meaningless question will give a stupid meaningless asnswer
And that is definitely my last answer on this thread.

Of course there is. You just daren't answer it.

yup.

yup.

Answering a stupid meaningless question will give a stupid meaningless answer

How many times are you thinking about changing your last post TJ? Squirming a bit trying to answer it in a meaningful manner?

I thought your second to last answer was your last answer?

I buy because of what it [b]is[/b] not what it is [b]marketed as[/b].

You only know what it [b]is[/b] and what it stands for [b]because of the marketing[/b].

You recognise it, because of the brand.

TJ - If it was just a tin on the shelf with no label, no contents and no price would you but it? Indeed, would you buy it if it wasn't there at all?

The marketing people do all those things.

I buy fairtrade sometinmes. I buy fairtrade for the same reasons as I buy other products. I buy because of what it is not what it is marketed as. Sometimes these two things are the same - sometimes they are not.

TJ - Fairtrade is one of the biggest marketing scams ever. Tell me what you think it is (which incidentally is what the marketing people have told you).

could we get back to pulling up captaincrash for being a muppet? or are we assuming he's a troll?

No, it's much more fun questioning TJ about his baked bean buying habits.

How does he know where the shops are? The shops that sell beans? 😉

If you buy organic you are a better person. Fact.

Or is that what they want you to think? How much do you know about soil association accreditation TJ?

TJ - Just out of interest: Do you buy free range eggs? Despite them being more expensive than battery ones.

And... if you scrambled said eggs, while cooking a full breakfast, would you keep them on the opposite side of the plate from the beans to avoid them being contaminated with bean juice?

Or is that just me?

TJ is autistic, isn't he?

He's not autistic Molgrips, he's 'special' 🙂

I bet he buys Heinz Alphabet Spaghetti though.

Bacofoil makes the best tinfoil hats.

Are you sure? Or is it just cynical marketing by Bacofoil Tin Foil Hats and Mind-Takers Inc.?

Would you maybe spend a little bit more and buy "FairTrade"?

would rather spend a bit more and get high quality coffee. the trouble with fairtrade is all the beans are taken from a grower and not graded for size, these variable sized beans do not roast at the same time so some get over/under roasted affecting the flavour.
would rather buy beans from co-operatives or farms that are cupped (tasted) by the importers who are pro-active in buying from small producers. this ensures a good price for the grower and a high quality product. hasbean is a good example.

ultimately it's a taste led decision. i like foie-gras, i couldn't give a toss about the goose.

And... if you scrambled said eggs, while cooking a full breakfast, would you keep them on the opposite side of the plate from the beans to avoid them being contaminated with bean juice?

Or is that just me?

i know somebody who has to leave the table if "beans touch egg" he's distraught if this happens.

i know somebody who has to leave the table if "beans touch egg" he's distraught if this happens.

He is only 3 though. 🙂

And... if you scrambled said eggs, while cooking a full breakfast, would you keep them on the opposite side of the plate from the beans to avoid them being contaminated with bean juice?

Or is that just me?

Wouldn't the deciding factor be whether the beans are cooked while on a conveyor belt, or not?

i couldn't give a toss about the goose

I could. I could also give a toss about the coffee farmers.