A number of experts are pursuing the prosecutions of Obama and Bush... what are the chances of justice being done?
Somewhere between slim and non.. And what about Blair?
The USA's corporate government and military industrial complex are on the edge of what might be a very, very messy end. The next decade is going to be fascinating.
TBH - not sure that Obama is really in the frame. The more you read about Cheney and Bush, the shadier the torture of detainees becomes. Dark Zero Thirty seemd to glamorise it and suggest it was means to an end... god knows what they really got up to
I can't imagine George W being happy if americans, on mass , were receiving the same treatment. Funny that the "advantaced interogation techniques" used by the US, bear a striking similarity to those used in Sachenhausen ...
I imagine this is on for for raising at the dinner party , when the Blairs are around. There must be part of him that gets all squeaky bummed about it.
Or is he that amoral?
TBH - not sure that Obama is really in the frame.
Umm..... how many drone murders has he personally authorised?
It's farcical to think any of them could get charged with anything but...
TBH - not sure that Obama is really in the frame.
He holds the record for the most state sanctioned assassinations. He's very naughty indeed.
Whilst they won't ever be charged with anything, these campaigns do have an affect eg Blair has had to give up all public appearances such as Book signings etc and Monbiot's campaign is known to really piss Blair off (as he thinks he's the Messiah and we should all be worshipping him, rather than trying to arrest him for war crimes).
For that reason alone I'm happy to donate a few pounds to the kitty....
I'd watch what you call Blair. He's not above carrying out sanctions on people who suggest he hasn't been acting ethically.
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I'm not into conspiracy stuff at all but I'd be amazed if MI5 didn't have a hand in helping Kelly top himself.
It's farcical to think any of them could get charged with anything
Aye but not farcical to think they should 😕
the non lawful combatants, the drone strikes and a variety of other actions are as shady as anything the "axis of evil" does to threaten us.
This came up in a documentary:
Hague invasion act:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Member s'_Protection_Act
If any US soldier or politician did end up in court for war crimes the US can legally invade the Hague and rescue them.
Team America at its best.
What about the generals and soldiers on the ground? Are they just following orders or do they have some culpability too?
Why stop at Obama and Bush, pretty much any UK / US leader that's still breathing would be worth pursuing.
I really ,really,really hate that **** Blair.
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What about the generals and soldiers on the ground? Are they just following orders or do they have some culpability too?
The Nuremberg trials established that precedent. Obeying orders is no protection.
Only if you're on the losing side.
Well, it's 25 years to the day since the US shot down a civilian airliner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
The US has still not apologised...
The Act prohibits federal, state and local governments and agencies (including courts and law enforcement agencies) from assisting the Court. For example, it prohibits the extradition of any person from the United States to the Court; it prohibits the transfer of classified national security information and law enforcement information to the Court; and it prohibits agents of the Court from conducting investigations in the United States.
Is this not the same way athat Iraq fail to engage with the nuclear proliferation treaty but that is "warmongering"
Always surprises me how far the planets "police" is willing to ignore the rules they expect others to follow
If any US soldier or politician did end up in court for war crimes the US can legally invade the Hague and rescue them.
Legally according to US law not internationally.
Bencooper "Well, it's 25 years to the day since the US shot down a civilian airliner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
The US has still not apologised..."
not apologised they decorated the crew that did it:-
"The men of the Vincennes were all awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, received the Navy Commendation Medal, often given for acts of heroism or meritorious service, but a not-uncommon end-of-tour medal for a second tour division officer. According to the History Channel, the medal citation noted his ability to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure."[3] However, in 1990, The Washington Post listed Lustig's awards as one being for his entire tour from 1984 to 1988 and the other for his actions relating to the surface engagement with Iranian gunboats. In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989." The award was given for his service as the Commanding Officer of the Vincennes, and the citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655.[35] The Legion of Merit is often awarded to high-ranking officers upon successful completion of especially difficult duty assignments and/or last tours of duty before retirement."
The surface engagement with gun boats was part of the same incident as shooting down the civilian airliner taking off as they thought it was a fighter jet descending to attack. It was an incident that the commander of the us ship chose to initiate by breaching Iranian territorial waters.
Funny that the "advantaced interogation techniques" used by the US, bear a striking similarity to those used in Sachenhausen ...
Pretty sure the Americans hung Japanese camp personnel who waterboarded prisoners in WW2.
Pretty sure the Americans hung Japanese camp personnel who waterboarded prisoners in WW2.
They did hang 28 of them.
Not for Mistreatment or waterboarding though.
It was for the execution of POW's that had escaped and been recaptured.
Killing children who happen to be close to a baddy sounds pretty evil to me.