[Closed] vw passat or Touran or octavia estate

Yep. Looked at 3 when we got a new car just over a year ago. Boot wise, the Passat (estate) was by far bigger than either of the other two. Its huge. Touran seemed to suffer from what a lot of things like that do, loads of head room and tall boot space but smallish floor area.

In the end we went for the Octavia. Would have liked a Passat but with all the options I wanted it'd have been a bit too pricey. Got a cracking deal on an Octy vRS estate (2.0 TSI) and not regretted it a bit.

The Passat & Octavia estates are virtually identical for interior load space.

Have you considered the Skoda Superb estate ?

Luggage room ( litres ) min/max: Superb: 633/1865
Octavia: 605/1665
Passat: 603/1731

We, MrsT and I have an `07 Touran sport. We like the higher seating/driving position, the driving seat and the versatility that the rear seat provide if and when we have to transport our ever growing number of grand children, the 7 seats come in handy. The rear seats can be tilted/reclined separately, folded, removed etc which we(I) find very useful. Fuel consumption varies from 40mpg up to 60mpg pootling along country roads. High 30s are seen when towing our caravan which is shaped like a brick!! Has covered just over 51k and never missed a beat requiring only normal servicing so far.
Having driven this car for 4yrs now I find the seating position of "normal" cars a bit uncomfortable. Possibly because both MrsT and I have back problems the upright seating position versus the stretched out position of a saloon car is more comfortable
We also like the 2ltr Tdi engine for overtaking manoeuvres 😆
Obviously if you are needing to use the 2 rear seats a top box or trailer is required to haul and equipment, cases etc.
I think the general replies from on here will be go for either the Passat or Octavia because they handle better due to centre of gravity but when driving with family and animals on board no-one should be driving in an unsafe manner anyway 🙄 I have as much fun as I would with any "saloon" when I want to 😈

loads of head room and tall boot space but smallish floor area.

drown the puppy and you'll be sorted!

i had a very quick look at the passat and touran today and it looked like the touran had the bigger boot with the back two seats down ??

really, REALLY like the octy vrs though.

we had a cmax with a raised seating position and got on well with it .

GW how can you say that.............

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I think with the higher rear seat backs of the Touran you could get a smallish cage for the dog and fit all your gear around that in appropriately sized boxes

The rear seats also slide forward independently creating a little more space. I am 6ft and like my seat back a bit when driving. Any passenger will still have plenty of leg room when the rear seat is in it`s forward position

like your thinking trekster!!!

Took me a few yrs to convince MrsT that we needed a "big" car. With her new job she started to use hire cars and was introduced to stuff like X-Trails and various Citreon Picassa type motors. Then we were on holiday in Slovenia and the default family car loaded with all the camping/biking/canoeing gear seemed to be the Touran. We had bought one within a month of returning from that holiday 😆
I have friends with Passats and they are happy with them. A neighbour has an Octavia as do lots of taxi firms and they are good cars.
For our requirements and comfort the Touran is the better option. Easy to drive, safe to drive with the raised seating position and easier to park than you may think.
Another consideration for us is MrsT`s joint problems which make it difficult for her to get in/out of a "normal" car. The electric door mirrors and rear parking sensors also helped in our choice

I'd go for the Octavia or Touran if you like driving. My Passat is like a barge with horrible vague steering and vomit inducing suspension. The other two, being Golf based, are much better I think although you may get people stopping you asking if you've got their parcels if you get a Touran. Also the Passat has that ridiculous auto parking brake which is constantly throwing up faults on the computer.

There's loads of space though. I can sleep in mine, diagonally, and I'm 6'3". I've a friend with a Touran and he can get a 3/4 mattress in his and sleep on that!

Have never looked at a Touran, but if it's anything like similar shaped cars it's harder to pack the boot to full volume in a useable way.

Looked at Octavia and Passat (2007ish models) and went for a Passat. Load space was the killer, plus the Passat was a 170PS engine 🙂

The Passat is, despite the similar numbers, a lot bigger in practice. It's maybe a foot longer but a smidge narrower with seats down and has a lot more cubbyholes that maybe don't count in the official measurements. For example you can get 2 wheels in the space between edge of seats and rear doors with back seats down. I don't _think_ the seats in the Octavia go completely flat either (but not 100% on that).

We get two people, 4 bikes (2 road, 2 MTB), 3 weeks' kit (2 x large holdalls, 2 x overnight bags and 2x crates) plus camelbaks, walking kit, toolbox and small box of spares in there with ease. Then we have space to bring back maybe 80 bottles of wine as well :-S.

The "10 cases" year was a bit of a squeaky bum time packing the car, and even more so coming off the ferry, but it went (just).

EDIT: Just read paul4stones post - the parking brake has gone wrong on mine twice in 3 1/2 years. Fortunately under warranty both times. Handling isn't too bad but you know it's a big car if that makes sense. Very seriously considering a Mondeo next, vast, good to drive and they do one with the engine out a Focus ST in it too...

Also, and this is a new one on me, I'm not sure what the more modern cars have as a Diesel Particulate Filter. My wife has a Mazda 3 from new and apparently the DPF should be replaced at 72,000miles at a cost of £1000! They didn't mention that when we bought it but it probably negates any savings from using diesel . . .

Renton - Sorry, lob it's head off then! it doesn't seem to match it's body anyway

Have never looked at a Touran, but if it's anything like similar shaped cars it's harder to pack the boot to full volume in a useable way.

You also don`t have to lean down so far to miss banging your head on the rear hatch. The hatch is also handy for standing under.
As for packing loads of stuff into cars we can do it with any car if we have to, always have done.

My 2008 Passat estate 2.0 TDi has been the worst car I have owned to date for a number of reasons, but thankfully not the handbrake issue (YET). If you just want a family run about get a Vauxhall or a ford, VW charge £150 + vat ph at my local dealer, it's only £125 at the local porsche OPC, make of that what you like.

Have had a 58 plate 2.0 tdi Touran for about 3 months now. Biggest surprise is how easy it is to park. Goes well, carry everything its needed to so far and has generally been really good.

Touran is a brilliant load carrier - I regularly use ours with 6 seats in use, the 7th left folded down as a load space for bags, and towing a trailer with 6 mountain bikes. It's now on 70,000 miles and we've not had any problems with it.

Whatever, steer clear of the 170 BHP engine, PD & CR.

Nowt but (niggly) trouble with that one.

Sensor replacement heaven.

What Trekster said on the Touran.

Only other points I can add are:
1. Ignore VW's 'long-life service'.Do not exceed 10k between oil changes.(This applies to all VW PD engines).
2. No spare, so budget another £130+ for a skinny spare.
3. 100k on ours, with zero issues apart from a battery and a set of glow plugs, both of which are straightforward DIY jobs.

Hth
Mark

I've got a Passat, and have had an Octavia. The Passat is certainly much bigger and generally a better car but you want the 140 engine. Handling isn't great but better than the previous version, which was dire. But then it's not a sports car - and neither is the Octavia - and it rides well and eats miles. Can't see the point of the Touran (or any MPV) unless you need two extra seats, and even then a vasectomy is preferable.

Pretty sure all three cars are based on the Golf platform BTW.

But then it's not a sports car - and neither is the Octavia - and it rides well and eats miles. Can't see the point of the Touran (or any MPV) unless you need two extra seats, and even then a vasectomy is preferable.

vasectomy

Cam belt change can be expensive if done at a main dealer.
There is/can be a problem with the VW anti-lock brake system. Google vw abs/esp fault.

double post?

Reading with interest as we're in a similar situation looking at Octavia, Pasat or Kia Ceed SW

Passat is a nice car when it works, unfortunately its pretty unreliable. Parking brake is a pain, ours completely seized over xmas and took the AA guy 2hrs to remove. New motor is costing 350(that's just one side other will eventually go). Electric keys go wrong on most early ones our's when last winter that cost 200 odd. The injectors have been dropping like flys and now VW have a recall on them. I hope VW are going to pay their customers who had to pay 400 per injector prior to the recall.
Nar... there are better cars out there now, this one is our 4th VW and definitely the last.

There is/can be a problem with the VW anti-lock brake system. Google vw abs/esp fault.

I made a point of questioning this and was told it was a foc repair if it did happen. Got him to note it down on our sales receipt just to be sure!

What others should i look at then if there are better cars out there?

Bought a '06 Octavia Estate 1.9TDi about a month ago, and couldn't be happier with it. Solid car, lots of space, not too many gadgets that can go wrong.

Test drove a 1.9TDi Passat (same year) before I bought the Octavia, and just didn't like it. The engine drove the same (it would, they use the same engine in both I believe), but it had too many fancy bits, and chrome on it. Along with that stupid handbrake system. They also wanted £1.2k more, for a car with 20k more miles on it.

Oh almost forgot the crank sensor went last month that was another 200 notes.

My other cars a subaru impreza sti and its sooo reliable (probably jinxed it now) but for me when the passat goes I'll be looking firstly at legacy estates then volvo v70's, ford S-max's or perhaps 5 series tourers.

we now have the octavia estate 68k from new and only a front spring and tryes have needed replacing.. had an 04 passat estate before that.. water leaks into rear footwell ( common problem) but essentially just the same as the shh Skoda side by side the skoda looks better but the vw is better equipped... we had the 130 vw and the stripper 1.9d octavia.. should have speced up though for the leccy doors alone

Yeah our 53 passat leaked prior to this one. Comes through the pollen filter housing usually.

Got an 2.0TDI 05 octavia estate for sale at the moment if you are interested.

Ex passat estate, now Touran owner here.
Passat: more comfy IMO, and older model ('00) much better made. Did 80k in it, having bought at 100k. Cost a lot to fix when it went wrong, which it did a bit...but was ace car (TDi sport avec many toys) and awesomely good at long journeys fully loaded.
Touran: less well built. Bought 05 with 21k, now at 100k and had far too many issues and high running costs: EGR valve gone, ASR/Traction unit gone; clutch went at 40k; suspension bushes worn; wheel bearings gonex2; windscreen wiper motor went etc etc, on top of servicing at 10k. Get @ 50mpg on a run; 40ish pootling around day to day so that is good. No rear wiring for towbar in place (basic S model here), so £1k to install from a main stealer, no wiring for rear speakers, mists up badly and heater is poor compared to Passat. BUT, great space for a family, eats miles for breakfast, huuuge and variable boot / seats - more like a van at times. Would I buy another? No, not unless I *had* to; prefer something else if only for running costs.
We also have a Yaris of older age and similar miles that gets same treatment and in 9 years /90k it has had tyres, service and next week a set of brake pads...

I've been thinking about replacing my Punto for well over a year.The OP's 3 choices have been considered,but have been put off the two VW options by the problems that other posters have mentioned.
My Brother has a Touran,decent enough car,but it's had the ABS/ESP problems....and no spare wheel? My Grande Punto has a full-sized spare..
A mountain-biking pal has had loads of problems with his Passat,it's now out of warranty..and the problems continue.
Would really like a Legacy estate,but the running costs put me off.

Ive got the new shape petrol Octavia VRS with the DSG gearbox. Its a Golf GTi with a big boot. Really great car, love it and fits 3 people with bikes and kit for a long weekend. Or me, better half, toddler and 18,000 tons of kiddy rubbish.

If you go for the Passat, try to get the new B7 model with the common rail diesel, it really is a big improvement on the old B6 and driving carefully I'm getting 52 mpg out of mine. Also since going from the B6 to the B7 my CO2 rated company car tax has reduced by £140 a month, so I got a new car AND a pay rise!

and no spare wheel?

In 40yrs of driving I have never needed one

Touran owner here, not much not to like, drives well, loads of space / seating, good fuel economy. No spare wheel worried me a bit at first but then I've never had a blow out in 23 years of driving (lots), worst I've ever had is a slow puncture on the drive so in reality I don't see it as much of an issue.

thanks for all the replies so far.

had a look at the octavia estate in the showroom and i thought "thats not a very big boot"

salesman came over and removed the false floor which nearly doubled the size.

With the touran is got so much room that i wouldnt need all the time and the faults that are too common with them is starting to put me off.

ditto the remarks about the passat not being aswell put together as previous models.

Also skoda dealer was telling me all about the pcp thing which interests me as I can get into a newer car for my monthly budget.

VW Caddy Max Life is a Touran on steroids and has a monster boot. Go for the ST wisdom of the 1.9tdi rather than the 2.0tdi. A mates had one for 2 years and loves it.

Honda Accords have huge boots 626 litres for the older one and 660 litres for the more recent one.

I have a new Passat estate and to be fair it is not as big as the Mondeo it replaced. If you are looking for a big car you will not get much better than a Mondeo estate and the Ford was a better car to drive, the front end on the Passat is to soft which makes the cornering a bit vague.

As for build quality I can't see anything in it, the Mondeo was also cheaper and better speced. The thing I dislike the most is I now have to take the front wheel off my bike to get it in the Passat, never needed to with the Mondeo.

Stu661 just out of interest which year was the mondeo as the current one doesn't look very big

57 plate, still the same size as today's model and way bigger than a Passat.

have a octavia vrs cr tdi, boot a good size, passat slightly larger but you can get a high spec skoda for the price of a low spec vw, have done 40k in 18 months trouble free best car i have ever owned. i find more head room in the octavia over the passat im 6'4".have you considered a seat altea xl they have a massive boot and are much cheaper than any of the above and use the same engines.

the current one doesn't look very big

You are joking right? It's massive.

My next door neighbour has a Passat estate diesel as a company car.
He said its the worst car that the companies had and so far its had over £8000's worth of various repairs including a full engine rebuild.
The fancy handbrake is a continuing problem.
He had a Mondeo before that which never gave trouble but was heavy on tyres.

We have narrowed our list down to either Octavia or KIA CeedSW

None of the above. Get an smax or galaxy

The end

None of the above. Get an smax or galaxy

The end

not to keen on either of them to be honest

smax looks dated already in my opinion

Surely better looking than the Touran??

do you think ???

I'd prefer an SMax over a Touran. But I'd prefer a fast estate over either...

been today to various garages to have a look around.

first off the list was the octavia, just not enough rear leg room with my growing lads which is a shame as it looked a nice motor.

had a look at an smax and yes they are nice but **** me how big are they!!

im sure the wife would struggle to park it

went to vw and had a look at the passat and touran.

both nice in their own different ways, sleek lines on the passat and the touran is a nice lifestyle vehicle.

got the mazda 6 and mondeo to look at both in estate version.

so far the touran is ahead though !!

anyone got any views on the mazda or mondeo ??

also lets see some of your tourans please!!

which model would be best to go for ?? was thinking a 2.0tdi sport model??

     
Wife has driven a few hundred miles in a Mondeo. Did not dislike it but still prefers the high seated driving position of Touran and we need the extra seats regularly

Passat here. Got mine at 46k, it's now 83k, not had any problems. Well.. the handbrake worked intermittently at first, but now works perfectly. I think the original owner never used it, since it's an auto. I love the car- the driving position is great. The suspension is soft but that's not really a problem since it's pretty comfortable. On windy country roads I just don't rag it, which is probably just as well since it's a lot wider than the cars I used to rag as a kid 🙂 Road holding is good I reckon.

It's way bigger than an Octavia too.

VW charge £150 + vat ph at my local dealer, it's only £125 at the local porsche OPC, make of that what you like

I make of it that you have a terrible dealer. You do know the main dealers are not actually run by VW don't you? Sinclar VW of South Wales did my cam belt for £300, couldn't complain about that.

My wife has a touran and it's a great wagon. 1.9tdi S on a '07 plate from new. Superb reliability apart from a fuel lift pump failure at 18 months.

Doesn't get used for MTB or surf duties often as I have a van for that, but it has done the odd mission and it's great.

We have the 140ps 2 litre tdi. For what it is its a pliable engine. You can pootle round at 1k rpm happily but if you want to rag it its responsive for a big vehicle. It does hammer fuel a bit if you do have a heavy foot!

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Recently replaced a 58 reg Touran with new Passat estate, would have gone for a Octavia VRs but company car tax was too much. Touran not as well built as the Passat and a little unrefined/thristy if you're an enthusiastic driver but can get loads of gear in it even with 5 up and it went like stink for a box on wheels (2.0 TDI). No problems in 90k miles. New Passat is crushingly efficiently German and gets you your family and stuff around comfortably without any excitement, you just lose a bot fo height on the boot. Is surprisingly way better than the previous model if a little dull, the wide spaced gearing on the Bluemotion is annoying as you need to change gear a lot to get it moving, but does have good mpg.

Now my drivers door won't open with the central locking. Passat estate . . .

This thread could become a live update of reliability woes if you like?

All cars have problems. My Passat has had rather fewer than many I've owned. 140k and still going strong, though I did have to get th handbrake switch replaced at 90k (£60 or so), and a shock absorber needed replacing at 100k.

True. The thing that frustrates me is that most of the problems are electronic or computer related rather than something fundamental. Also, most of the trouble just goes away if you wait long enough - what's that all about?

Superb reliability apart from

To me, superb reliability means no faults, in this day and age. If you've had a few minor niggles that would go down to 'good'.

Speaking of Superb, that's another supposedly very good option. I like the look of them (the Skoda Superb that is).

I was choosing a month ago and going from a 3 year old Polo we NEEDED something bigger (2 teen kids and more camping hols wanted, aswell as transporting bikes). Looked around at the usual suspects but the wife really wanted to stay with a VW.
Narrowed it down to a Passat, Golf plus and Touran.
Influenced by a wifes previous pool car, which was a Passat. Her boss (heavily into bikes) has owned Touran as their family car for many years and my Dad got a Touran 18 months ago.
I think the Passat would've been fine but the Touran was a bit shorter and taller so easier for the wife to maneuver.
Not had it long but very happy with it so far, lots of good reasons above.
They do a 5 seater version that comes with a spare wheel as an 'extra'.

renton - Member

also lets see some of your tourans please!!

[i]the vectra was just to small[/i]

Which Vectra? I had a 56 plate and tbh its as big a hatchback as you'll find - but take a look at the estate version, they are huge.

Otherwise get a people carrier - while they look big, if you measure them your wife will find they are often no bigger than normal family cars. Plus they have internal flexibility that no hatch/estate gets.

Maxray... is that a sport model ??

looks just like what we are after.

can i ask what year it is and if you have had any problems so far??

we currently have a vectra hatch and yes the boot is big, but with a dog(recent) and 2 small boys we have outgrown it.

i had to do a separate trip back in between new year and xmas just to take all the boys pressies home from the inlaws.

we struggled to get everything in and leave enough room for the dog!!

been to ford today, the mondeo is a big car, the one we looked at was demonstrator with 6k on the clock, top of the range jobby and it looked tired inside already!!

just got the mazda to look at but everything we look at now we are comparing to the touran or passat.!!

I've had an Octavia 4x4 estate for over 2yrs and love it. Very capable, comfortable and decent on fuel. The boot with the seats down will swallow two full suss bikes and relevant bike kit, the tent, walking gear, camera gear, two folding seats, food all inside the car.

Put it this way, when i look for a new car, it'll be another Octavia or possibly the Superb (for the better ride)

avoid mazda loke the plague. they have major problems with their DPF's which are very costly to repair or replace. My 5 year old mazda 6 diesel recently spent a month at the dealers with a problem with the DPF which they could not remedy. after throwing > £1k at it and having it returned to me twice apparently fixed but still the warning lights came on, I gave up and got rid of the car. the main dealers still couldnt identify the fault 5 weeks later and mazda uk are a shower!

lots on the web re mazda DPFs so avoid. i will never buy another mazda.

dead car after 5 years and 85k - not impressed really. c/w my wifes vag a3 sportback which has done 130k and never missed a beat complete rubbish.

ok so thats the mazda off the list then !!!

had enough dpf problems with my old cmax !!

Is the Mazda diesel not the same as the Ford one?

i think so however it has a different emmsions system.

Have a look at the Hyundi estate. Only seen one in the passing but it looks huge/nice
To overcome our load lugging I now use roof bars and a box. Tempted to get a trailer, would be easier to ferry gear and bikes if fitted with racks as the g-kids get older

weve decided to look out for either a nice speeced touran or passat estate for around £9

You'll not get much car for nine quid! 😆

If you go passat and its 56> make sure its had the injector recall done, I'll dig out the code for you. 😉

EDIT
see below

This is a brief précis of the VW UK Service Action 23H9 regarding Piezo pump injectors.

The repair instructions are contained in Technical Product Information (TPI) transaction number 2027647

This applies to 2.0TDI PD Golf, Passat, and Touran with PD Piezo Injectors

There are approximately 78,800 (model years 2006 – 2010) affected vehicles in the UK.

Owners will receive communications from Volkswagen UK on a phased basis.

The following vehicles with the engine codes listed are affected.

Passat 3C 2006-2008 with the BKP, BMA, BWV, BVE, BKP, BVE, BMA, BWV, BMR, and BUZ engines

Golf 5 2006-2009 with the BMN engine

Touran 2006-2010 with the BMN engine

Technical background

On some vehicles with the 2.0l TDI engine, deposits can settle on the Piezo pump injector elements because of dirty engine oil. This can lead to running problems. Not all vehicles are affected by this campaign! On the affected vehicles the Piezo pump injector elements must be checked and if necessary replaced. Please make sure that on the affected vehicle the check and repair of all open campaigns/measures are performed during the workshop visit.

Parts to be fitted as part of this campaign.

1x Campaign 23H9 sticker 000 010 006 1x Wiring loom adapter 03G 971 033 M 4x Adjustment screw WHT 000 530 5x M8x58 socket head bolt N 105 811 01 8x M6x88 socket head bolt 03G 103 385 A 4x Pump injectors

If the vehicle is listed in the system as not completed, check whether a campaign sticker with the entry "23H9 date/stamp" is attached in the spare wheel well area (next to data sticker):If the campaign sticker is attached, the campaign has already been performed. Make the entry “23H9 date/stamp” in the service schedule under “Space for workshop entries”.

I took delivery of a new shape VW Sharan on 3rd September, its now got 12k on it and after 2 Ford Galaxy's (07 & 09) all i can say is i want to go back to the Ford!!!

The Sharan is falling apart, i has been in twice for airbag sensor failures, the auto handbrake is a law to itself.
And to top it all off the chrome trim around the rear window came loose yesterday whilst driving , so when my daughter slid the rear door back to get out it scraped a huge line on the paint inside the door.

~After having old shape VW touran's & sharan(which were a nightmare with faults) previous to the Galaxy's i am surprised the company went back to VW.

I would personally look elsewhere as i think VW had there day 10 year ago and now are way down the list of quality well built cars.

Hi renton,

as you seem to be down to Passat vs. Touran let me share some thoughts from owning a 1st model Touran / last model Passat (with eBrake before recent facelift) / current model Touran.

I've read through most of the thread and many things have been mentioned so I'd just like to add:

I prefer the Touran for
- it's ease of loading (boxy space, higher rear door aperture, more height throughout the car (handy for bikes and Ikea trips))
- it's 7 seat option (if you take 3rd party kids along or have visitors and still want to talk while going somewhere) -> but 5 seat version has even more load height in the boot due to lower floor
- for being/feeling slightly wider on the rear bench
- for being more flexible inside (rear seats do individually fold or collapse forward and are easy to remove completely -> it's like a van when every thing's out - in a good way)
- for being short on the outside and really big inside (good for parking!)
- for being surprisingly fast and fun, even chuckable on those entertaining B-roads (if you don't take it by the scruff and find the flow)

The Passat
- felt more refined in terms of perceived quality and finish inside
- is less noisy which makes a difference on long trips (I assume more insulation and less boxy/big volume)
- long wheelbase and lower point of gravity make it more comfortable (but not more fun/agile) to drive
- the Passat has a higher status factor (I don't care and am happily back in the Touran)
- some people feel as if they had vasectomy (or worse) when seen in MPVs (I don't)

Both models share many components. Me thinks the Passat just tends to have more trick eStuff in there so more potential for trouble. The 1st generation Touran was a high milage 136hp 2.0 TDI with PD (Pumpe Düse). We had multiple issues with the injection system and the auxiliary heating. So the used car guarantee insurance was unfortunately well worth it. The Passat and 2nd Touran were/are new (company) cars and we had no problems at all (both 20K mls).

So while the Passat is more refined the Touran is more practical and more fun. We often sit in it after a long journey and are amazed how good the car is and how well it suits an active family life (kids 4 and 5).

SUMMARY
I would recommend (for the budget) to go for a 1st generation (but facelift) Touran plus one of those used car insurances. Consider treating yourself to the DSG transmission as it works perfectly (and I hate conventional auto transmissions). (Then again if you don't know it you won't miss it.)

With more budget I would still go for a Touran, maybe 1 year old current generation.

All the best with your decision!

Hendrik