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Naughty Keith....!
What a great track record that guy has. He's on my list with Piers Morgan, estate agents and track suit wearers.
Oh, I say, well played CFH
you get to set the next clue
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No Tugby or Belvoir for 2 weeks.
nice thread title.
Can't understand how he can even stay on a committee that requires a level of trust let alone just resign as chairman.
Probably claimed it on expenses as 'research'
clearly covert participant observation
Not his first scandal won't be his last. Good of Diane Abbott to remind everyone this must be a dreadful time for him..
Corrupt liar, cannot be trusted shocker.
His poor kids.
I'm no fan of the guy, and I've not read the paper for the juicy details but can someone just clarify what laws were broken in this latest scandal?
Moral law..
..and being a bit shit at texting.
Difficult one this. Classic newspaper string/entrapment, what he does in his private life is up to him matched against the fact he's conducting an inquiry into Prostitution.
No laws broken @MoreCash but a conflict of interest due to the inquiry.
what he does in his private life is up to him
I know in binary terms this may be right, but surely is it that much to ask that in return for having political power, perks of being a MP and all that other stuff, you refrain from coke and hookers? Is it that hard....like really?
^Again, what laws were broken?
At least Jamba has a point...
surprisingly yes I agree with Jamby - possible conflict of interest but he is entitled to a private life and he can be as seedy as he likes in it.
TBH i feel sorry for folk who dont do things in private, especially sexy fun time, that they dont want splashed across the papers as a headline.
Vaz is not that likable though and we have to remember he has a wife and kids and now they get to face the shit storm with him when a less "political" father would just have got away with it
Many lifes ruined for basically a scoop- clearly he is not blameless but is it really "public interest"?
I don't buy this conflict of interest justification bollox. Surely if you are setting up committee into looking at legislation of prostitution it might help to have someone with first had experience?
Ok - the guy might be a massive slimeball, and come across a bit of a dick most of the time. But he doesn't deserve 'this'.
Many lifes ruined for basically a scoop- clearly he is not blameless but is it really "public interest"?
Agree.
I accept the conflict of interest issue, but just suppose that Mr & Mrs Vaz have a happy marriage based on certain discreet understandings about each others foibles, and now suddenly their marriage, and their kids lives, are at the centre of a media shit storm. I'm struggling to see a public interest in destroying their family life.
Even if they didn't have an understanding and this is a shock to her, it shouldn't be dealt with in a public arena.
I really dislike that phrase, used by the gutter press to justify stories like this. What's in the public interest, and what the public are interested in are very different things, in many cases.is it really "public interest"?
However, I think this JUST scrapes past the bar due to his member and chairmanship of may public accountability committees. Stinks for his family though.
However, I think this JUST scrapes past the bar due to his member and chairmanship of may public accountability committees.
What in particular about his member ???
Stuff happens in private and in public, this stuff should be left in the private file, its nothing to do with us the public.
Unless he/anyone is a member of a different political party!! 😉
Unless he/anyone is a member of a different political party!!
Well quite. Baseless accusations against a former PM and his porcine pal were also about acts which didn't break any laws. Furthermore, there was no video evidence of that.
The issue here isn't necessarily the law, but the morality and hypocrisy elements.
Given his association with the Janner cade, it also raises more questions. Ones which Jive is teasingly hinting at elsewhere. Valid questions about his suitability for some of the positions he holds. Also, I wonder how it'll go down in his constituency.
There is plenty more to come apparently, which will show he is a complete wrong 'un. If this is the case, it is difficult to argue that it is not in the public interest.
Given his association with the Janner cade, it also raises more questions.
Don't see the logic in that particular link. What he's done is not illegal. Stunningly hypocritical, I grant you...
Sounds like your playing cheap party politics Flashy, and I'm a bit disappointed you'd stoop to that.
He doesn't seem to think he's done anything wrong, though. It's 'the papers' being exploitative.
If his judgment on his private life is so flawed, how can he be expected to be objective on his professional life?
And it's a bit rich how he and Abbott are so concerned on the effect it has on him. Neither gives a crap about his wife and kids.
On Saturday night, when the story first broke, Vaz gave a statement to the Mail on Sunday saying that he was “genuinely sorry for the hurt and distress that has been caused by my actions in particular to my wife and children”......Diane Abbott, the shadow health secretary, told the same programme that she did not want to comment on Vaz’s future but that “this must be a dreadful time for him, and his family – his wife and his two children.”
Dont let the facts get in the way of your opinion/hate eh 🙄
If his judgment on his private life is so flawed,
How is it flawed?
Accepting the possible conflict of interest, he's not broken any laws and this kind of behaviour may help his private life. Dragging it through the gutter press and public spotlight won't do that.
You may not approve of what he does, but it is only your opinion that says it is flawed.
And we have enough problems from having politicians with no real world experience of what they are legislating for.
@mefty interesting let's wait and see then.
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I'm not sure I'd mourn the death of Vaz's political career, however it bit the dust.
Nice to see the Labour Party's internal self-destruction actually scoring a deserved hit though.
Perhaps the Hindujas could help him out with a bob or two if he has to step down? Shame his great mate Greville isn't around to issue a supportive statement in his time of need.
There is plenty more to come apparently, which will show he is a complete wrong 'un.
Coz he's bisexual/gay? or is JHJ going to be proved right again? if so Vaz needs to get Leon Britain/ Ted Heath levesl of establishment protection
Deceiving his family is pretty low, but it's not hurt the careers of Johnson, Livingston etc
Nor have accusations of closet homosexually , Look at Liam Fox or Guido Fawkes desperately trying to out William Hague (tho in Fox's case the trying to cover up is what hurt him)
I expect Vaz will keep a low profile for a bit while Labour is busy trying to figure out what it is and pop back up when it's finally decided to become a party again
pop back up
STW humour is so subtle that I bet it gets lost on many.
Bravo kimbers for that one - your efforts at Swinley stimulated the mind too!!
I'm amazed that so many people are forgiving of this.
He is the Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee, who are currently reporting on prostitution, proceeds of crime and immigration. This is a seriously important function. They have previously reported on drugs policies and, in particular, legal status of poppers. By law, every member of that committee has to declare competing interests.
I checked the committee papers, and, unsurprisingly, he did not declare that he enjoys the company of eastern European male escorts and encourages them to take poppers and bring cocaine along to future parties.
The issue here is perhaps not breaking of laws, even morality. It is the fact that he has lied to parliament about conflict of interests.
(Caveat is perhaps this was his first time and he intended to declare it at the next committee meeting but I think this is unlikely!)
I checked the committee papers, and, unsurprisingly, he did not declare that he enjoys the company of eastern European male escorts and encourages them to take poppers and bring cocaine along to future parties.
To be fair, you don't tend to see many declarations of this type in the register of members' interests.
but it is only your opinion that says it is flawed.
Of course it is.
He wife and kids will be completely relaxed about paying men for sex.
Men who, it is claimed, receive money from a charity he is closely linked with.
Men who he offered to pay for their drugs.
Yes, it must be just me thinks that's all kinds of wrong. You obviously don't.
Which is nice.
Vaz should sling his hook as an MP, but not just for this. As others have said, what he chooses to do in his private life is his own business but where the line gets blurred is the peripheral part of the latest allegations - indirect payments.
He's excelled in sailing close to the wind for decades whilst manoeuvring himself into a position where he can judge the conduct of others in his Chairing roles.
Just in case anyone's forgotten his previous form includes:
- Stoking the flames of the "The Satantic Verses" controversy and giving tacit support to the first "extremist" protests in Britain. Those protests included the burning of our national flag, and repeated public calls for the murder of Salman Rushdie.
- £500K stashed in personal bank accounts and income that was undeclared on his Parliamentary returns. Scotland Yard investigated and was unable to confirm the source of those funds.
- Taking money through his wife's company from the Hinduja brothers - although he was later cleared of trying to exert any influence on their passport applications.
- Suggesting that an IRA bomb in Leicester was planted by the British Army
- Reportedly employing an illegal migrant as a nanny and also not paying the associated tax / NI
- Making false claims against a policewoman (he was suspended for a month for that)
- "interesting" Commercial deals via family businesses
- Receiving undeclared payments from a solicitor and then lying about it
- Claiming for MPs expenses without even having receipts.
The consistent pattern in some of the above issues has been indirect payments and payments for which the source cannot be traced.
So it's therefore very relevant that the latest allegations centre on indirect payments reportedly made to male escorts via a Charity that Vaz controls. The payments were reportedly listed as "painting" although the reporting makes it clear this does not reflect the service received. There's no inference the people making the payments on behalf of the charity had any knowledge of what was reportedly going on.
Any of the events above are unacceptable for an MP let alone repeated issues. For that reason he should stand down immediately. We must have MPs who not only set the law but uphold it in actions AND spirit.
If the reports are correct, I feel very sorry for his wife and family for the hurt this will cause. Having seen something similar when a friend found out her husband was doing something similar the effect of this sort of thing can be profound and life changing.
if so Vaz needs to get Leon Britain/ Ted Heath levesl of establishment protection
Leon Brittain was totally vindicated. "Not a shred of evidence": said the Met Police. Health likewise. The whole Westminster peodophile ring nonsense was a fabrication, all of it. One of abused individuals made it quite clear the journalist and ex-convict fraudster had coerced him into making statements and lead him to name "fanous people". There was a clear political agenda to spread lies and inuendo.
JHJ lost interest in the Rotheram child abuse case as soon as it was clear it didn't involve "the establishment"
Yes, it must be just me thinks that's all kinds of wrong
No, not just you.
"Morning judo" is not a euphamism then? (although i think jive has missed that one so far)
just5minutes +1.
His original "Satanic Verses" actions should of meant he was kicked out of the Labour party and never got selected as a Labour candidate again.
The conflict of interest is fun though; because he's in favour of decriminalising prostitution and moving the legal burden from the worker to the punter, ie him. If it was the other way round it'd be a bit stickier.
[i]I've[/i] got a conflict of interest, I think he's a fud.
a bit stickier.
stop it..... 😀
Like the rest of the Labour party, he was just in a race to the bottom.
He's excelled in sailing close to the wind for decades whilst manoeuvring himself into a position where he can [b][u]grandstand and mis-[/u][/b]judge the conduct of others in his Chairing role
that's more like it
Perhaps the best way of dealing with it would for a new House of Commons Ctte to be formed whereby all the people Vaz grilled on camera should now have the opportunity to individually grill him one by one for the same length of time?
he was just in a race to the bottom.
😆
Perhaps the best way of dealing with it would for a new House of Commons Ctte to be formed whereby all the people Vaz grilled on camera should now have the opportunity to individually grill him one by one for the same length of time?
I would pay to watch that.
anyway, I'm sure we can all trust Corbyn to take a robust, decisive stance on the matter to demonstrate that he is a leader not afraid of leading.
Speaking of conflicts of interest, I see the indepentent General Medical Council has come out against the junior doctor's strikes- that'd be the same independent General Medical Council that's appointed as their new CEO Charles Massey, Director General of the Department of Health, who worked with Jeremy Hunt on drafting the new junior doctor's contract. Oh and junior doctors have to be registered with said GMC and pay for the privilege.
But that's a different sort of paying to get ****ed up the arse so it's probably not in the news
Just5minutes has it. I'm not particularly bothered what MPs get up to in their private lives so long as it is not illegal, does not put them at undue risk of being blackmailed/influenced, and is not directly at odds with their position.
Vaz, however has a long list of dodgy dealings, getting away with it on technicalities, yet pushing the moral agenda. Basically, he is a bit of a crook. If this is his 'tax evasion - Al Capone' moment, then good, because he is one of the old guard of sleazy MPs who need rooting out.
Hmmm wonder if he's got a mountain bike..... Isn't the STW mantra coke and hookers 🙂
I imagine his constituents don't want to be represented by someone who encourages drug use and prostition.
I imagine his constituents don't want to be represented by someone who encourages drug use and prostition.
You've not been to Leicester have you?
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Keith must be relieved!
Ken is on the airwaves to defend him. And talk about Hitler, obviously.
😉
Ken is on the airwaves to defend him. And talk about Hitler, obviously.
Should be amusing. What program and when?
CaptainFlashheart - MemberKen is on the airwaves to defend him. And talk about Hitler, obviously.
This can't possibly not work
Keith must be relieved!
That's what led to this problem in the first place.
😀
Ken is on the airwaves to defend him.
He's definitely finished.
As an aside during Corbyn's 90 minutes in front of the Home Affairs Select Commitee on anti-Semitism Vaz hardly spoke, most questioing came from other panel members. Chaka was far more challenging in his questioning. Vaz just chaired the meeting and invited each questioner and kept them to time. He till tell Shami off for repeatedly passing Corbyn notes on what to say
... and he is gone from the committee - now to clean parliament and get him out completely.
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@cranberry he cannot be ejected from Parliament / MP for this as no crime has been committed, he has to resign.
Seems Corbyn is supposedly keen to see him kicked off the NEC. Kinder Gentler Politics and pro LGBT ?
Yes Corbyn wants rid of him because of bigotry what other reason could there be given his conduct of late. FFS fella have a word withyourself
here is a rampant Corbynista from the Daily Mail - FFS the DM is being more balanced than you
Tory MP Andrew Bridgen, who has lodged complaints about Mr Vaz with the parliamentary sleaze watchdog, police and charity commission, said he was 'not fit to be an MP'.'Keith Vaz has belatedly done today what he should have done on Sunday,' he told MailOnline.
'In dragging out his resignation as chair of the committee he has brought both himself, parliament and other parliamentarians into disrepute.'
Asked whether Mr Vaz should remain a member of Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee, Mr Corbyn said: ‘The NEC will be discussing that next week when Keith attends the meeting.
‘Keith will be there as I understand it, he is an elected member of the NEC and whatever decision is made on his future will obviously be partly made by him but at the moment we’re waiting news on this.’
Harsh words indeed from the [s]tory MP[/s] terrorist sympathiser old tired and now of course LGBT hating lefty 🙄
Ah, I see Corbyn is simultaneously being accused of weak leadership for not sacking him, and also of scheming to get rid of him because he hates teh gays. Schroedinger's politician, we don't know what he's doing, we just know we hate it.
I just find it curious, he's done nothing illegal. Immoral yes but not illegal. Why does he have to leave the NEC or stand down as an MP ?
[s]Unlike you most folk would like moral Mps /MEC members?
Why on earth have you asked this?[/s]
You really have to be at davidtaylforth levels of trolling to have done that phrased like that
I just find it curious, he's done nothing illegal. Immoral yes but not illegal. Why does he have to leave the NEC or stand down as an MP ?
He's in a position of trust. He's shown himslef to be duplicious, dishonest, self-ineterested and having appalling judgement.
Why should he represent his constituents in Parliament? Why not get someone in who has a better understanding of what the job entails?
He's in a position of trust. He's shown himself to be duplicitous, dishonest, self-interested and having appalling judgement.
You're talking about Keith, right ? Not Jeremy ?
As for breaking the law - intent to supply ? There is evidence of Keith offering to get coke for the prostitute he was going to "attack" or "break in".
I just find it curious, he's done nothing illegal. Immoral yes but not illegal. Why does he have to leave the NEC or stand down as an MP ?
Because he has been lying to Parliament on a regular basis. Every time he sat down as a member/chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee he declared no interests, despite being very interested in prostitutes, immigrants, poppers and cocaine. All of these things have been subject to reports by that same committee.
He is a self serving liar, not a public servant.
Some on here would clearly still vote for him.
Maybe the like his edgy new character.
It's certainly going to be interesting to see how he accounts for the £4m of property he's reportedly managed to accrue on his back bench MP's salary plus the £60K his wife reportedly earns a year.
Last year the pair of them bought two properties totalling c£850K - in cash.
How many people have £850K in cash to hand when it would take many lifetimes of full time employment on £130K joint incomes to save that?
You can't ask questions like that.
It's racist
Has any other Labour MP survived so much stuff? How does he keep his seat? Who votes for a shit bag like him?
"Who votes for a shit bag like him?" I suspect Labour voters, I could be wrong.
Sadly, that's true.
As evidence I'll introduce Hazel Blears, who depsite being a lying smug windbag and proven fraudster managed to get re-elected as the alternative was (gasp!) a Tory.
It's certainly going to be interesting to see how he accounts for the £4m of property he's reportedly managed to accrue on his back bench MP's salary plus the £60K his wife reportedly earns a year.Last year the pair of them bought two properties totalling c£850K - in cash.
How many people have £850K in cash to hand when it would take many lifetimes of full time employment on £130K joint incomes to save that?
Hard to know exactly where his money has come from, but there's no doubt he's been involved with some very questionable businesses...
Sure there's much to be told of his links to Nadhmi Auchi and General Mediterranean Holdings, but doubt it will make it to the media past the lawyers.
Most of the tory MPs I would guessHow many people have £850K in cash to hand when it would take many lifetimes of full time employment on £130K joint incomes to save that?
"Who votes for a shit bag like him?"
Plenty of examples of Mps with dubious moral character from Boris* to Keith
No idea why folk keep voting for them - party loyalty means more than morality?
Is it only the labour ones or just the asian ones or just the allegedly/probably/possibly bisexual ones you get upset by?
*fathered a child and used an injunction to ban her knowledge being made public
Is it only the labour ones or just the asian ones or just the allegedly/probably/possibly bisexual ones you get upset by?
So by suggesting the Keith Vaz isn't fit to be a MP makes me a Tory, Racist, Bigot?
Do you think that he is an honest, trustworthy character?
He's a lying, corrupt, cheat.
His race and sexuality have got nothing to do with it.
I would suggest that he is an example of the worst of positive discrimination that is just one end of the spectrum of what is wrong with UK politics.
FWIW I don't think that Boris and his Bullingdon Club chums are fit to be MP's either.