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Vader...a quick google suggests the Vivaro and siblings have a 2 ton tow limit...I've not looked up twin axle trailers but I'd expect them to weigh about 800kg. If you are literally sticking a ton of stone on the trailer, it would be best to avoid FWD if you have the choice.
You might be better getting a RWD Transit, probably a 330 or 350, I think they'll pull around 2500-2800kg depending on engine and axle ratio. (not a wimpy 260 or 280, some can only pull 750kg)
F*ck ****ity f*ck!
Tracking a 2.5 VW T30 on Fleabay to the point where I'm hoping to test drive it on Sat.
04 plate with 116K miles but had loads done under the bonnet etc as well as being ready for bikes and beds.
Really not sure what to do now! 🙄
I got my t5 at 52k. Now on 165k. Driven gently, never loaded, never short journeys.
It's needed
Gear cables reattached twice.
Two sets of brake discs.
A radiator.
An intercooler.
A turbo.
Shocks front and rear.
A clutch and dmf.
Two sets of tyres.
Tailgate lock.
Door locks
A battery.
Multiple drop links etc
It's a money pit.
Vader - our current Land Rover is just a 2.2, but still pulls everything we hitch behind it, pretty sure we are at 3.5ton with tractor on the trailer. Very similar engine in a lot of the Transits.
As Spooky mentions, I'd favour rwd for towing. Trailer weights, our 12' is 700kg and 16' tilt bed is 900kg.
Economy models also often have taller gearing which results in lower tow weights.
Struggle to see the value in Transporters, no better or worse than any other van.
Agree Timber, engine size is not everything. My Iveco is 3500kg, will tow another 3500kg (so thats 7000kg) and its just a 2.3l 126bhp engine. No low ratio box either, although first is getting close to a crawler gear.
P.S Stuart...thats not so bad for 110,000 miles?!
A lot of those are consumables!
It's an expensive list though my biggest gripe with vw is the cost of parts. It's just stupid how much commonly needed parts cost.
Fwiw I run 2 French vans over 10years old And a 30 year old land rover. Not got a list that long for all three in my ownership across 200k miles in my owner ship and 450k on the clocks (since I put the landy back on the road after 28years of abuse and a driveway rebuild)
Wouldn't have a vw anything again.
Just rolled over 230,000 on my 56 plate Trafic this weekend, use it as a daily driver and bike van, had aftermarket Cruise control fitted. I've put 120,000 on it in 4 years. Other than a blown alternator a few years back, and a recon box (£800) last Christmas the rest has been standard consumables, tires etc.
Still averages 38mpg unless its totally laden down. Great, no rust unlike the Transits I had before.
I have a 2.0dci 115ps 62 plate lwb trafic. Bought as a standard van 18 month old ex-hire. It cost me £1100 to fit 2 rear windows, a rear seat out of a trafic minibus that folds and had the roof lined. The van is mainly used for my work as a plasterer/builder so I have the same issue with a bulkhead, I need to be able to get long ladders, scaffold boards etc in the back so decided to do a diy conversion. It also pulls our 6 berth caravan on holidays & occasionally a large twin axle trailer carrying building materials. I guess it has quite a hard life really. I'm thinking of changing it this year before it gets too high mileage, but can't decide what to go for. I definitely would prefer something with more power for towing & I believe vw t5/t6 will pull 2.5 tons compared to 2 ton for the trafic/vivaro & transit customs. Not sure I can justify spending £20k+ though!
It's a money pit.
You missed your leaky windows too 😉
Garry - you asked about seats/beds on the last page, Kiravans are a good place to start they have the Rib seats which are very nice but pricey. It depends what you want, if you are planning to have people travelling on them they need to be crash tested which adds ££££. Another less spendy option is JAC campers they do a range of crash tested ones for under £1000. If you don't want them to convert to a bed I'm sure there are much cheaper options, like getting seats from old minibuses, although that's not a route I went down.
It's a money pit.
There's good and bad stories about every vehicle out there, my mate has spent so much money on his vivaro he feels chained to it now - 2 new gearboxes in 2 years and multiple injector failures being the main highlights.
T5 frinstance - people are either fierce defenders, or haterz with very few exceptions. If mine starts giving issues like those listed above, I'll flog it, cos I won't lose much.
Here's my JAC campers RnR bed. Its been great. Crash tested- I think it was about £900.
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I opted not to get the base of it boxed in, just for the advantage of shoving things underneath it.
looking good cody.
superdan - Member
Just rolled over 230,000 on my 56 plate Trafic this weekend, use it as a daily driver and bike van, had aftermarket Cruise control fitted.
Of you don't mind me asking, how much did the aftermarket CC cost?
I'm at a crossroads as far as getting a van goes now.
Thinking a 2.5 T30 might be a bit too much of a grunty van esp after hearing about one being described as a 'money pit' - I do not want a money pit whatever I go for. Having said that I [i]want[/i] a VW - getting anything else I know I'd wish down the line I'd got one instead of a Vivaro etc - they might make more sense but I guess buying anything like that is a bit of a lottery 😕
I like that conversion Cody, and Id like to do something similar, but what do you do with bikes?.
My conversion is very similar to that above and unfortunately the bikes have to go on the tow bar rack. In an ideal world there would be space inside but not possible to do everything in a van this size. If you want bikes inside [b]and[/b] space for beds you need to go for XL vans with a garage at the back. There is an awesome thread on a conversion like this, I'll see if I can find it....
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/family-friendly-bike-carrying-camper-build ]big van conversion[/url]
It's a cracking read!
Aye, sounds about right.
Tbh the van spends more time as a bike day van than it ever would as a camper, and I ain't putting the bikes on the outside. So I'll stick with what I have - Go outdoors campbed with a single mattress on top and a 14 tog duvet, proper toasty and incredibly comfy!.
trail_rat - Member
looking good cody.
Cheers TR.
Nobeerinthefridge - Member
I like that conversion Cody, and Id like to do something similar, but what do you do with bikes?.
I've got a Fiamma rack on the tailgate, NBITF. Not the best solution if you've got nice bikes, I know, but it had to be a 'family' camper, so I couldn't force the issue re a bike garage at the back.
I've got a Fiamma rack on the tailgate, NBITF. Not the best solution if you've got nice bikes, I know, but it had to be a 'family' camper, so I couldn't force the issue re a bike garage at the back.
Yeah, understand, gotta compromise and prioritise. Happy camping matey!.
Nobeerinthefridge .... The camp bed in the back sounds like a decent option and as you say allows more regular use for carrying bikes, skis, kayaks, dogs, etc...
When I get the van it'll be used for Easter, Summer and Winter holidays in the hills of Scotland and Europe so that way of doing the bed sounds the most flexible to me.
Does that make insurance cheaper too, as it wouldn't really need modified. Does putting insulation in the walls and roof count as modification for insurance?
Cheers Scotroutes
Garry - When I told my insurance co about my mods - windows, remap, it really didn't make any difference to the cost.
However, if you do a proper conversion in compliance with licencing requirements to convert to camper - windows, seats, bed, water and cooking kit - then I am told insurance goes down. And obv, you can then drive at 70 instead of 60 on roads that allow.
Insulation and suchlike wasn't a mod with my insurance co. - Aviva.
superdan - Member
Just rolled over 230,000 on my 56 plate Trafic this weekend, use it as a daily driver and bike van, had aftermarket Cruise control fitted.
Of you don't mind me asking, how much did the aftermarket CC cost?
Was around £550 fitted 4 years back, I thought about it for a while, but couldn't face a second trip to the alps and back that summer without CC, its been all good ever since. If you are anywhere near Cumbria drop me an email and I can send you the details of the chap.
codybrennan - Member
I've got a Fiamma rack on the tailgate, NBITF. Not the best solution if you've got nice bikes, I know, but it had to be a 'family' camper, so I couldn't force the issue re a bike garage at the back.
Do you think a small garage (wheels off) would fit in a LWB? Swithering between a LWB Vivaro/Trafic and a MWB Sprinter/Crafter. I like the idea of the having the smaller van so I can use it everyday, but having the bikes inside as well as a bed, hobs, sink etc is a big deal for me
I wouldn't worry about the added length of a LWB. I was concerned until I actually drove one and now don't notice the extra length. I doubt there's enough room for a garage though - not unless you were prepared to dismantle the bike (which sort of defeats the point).
Happy to dismantle the bike(s) as it's the security I'm looking for. The LWB Vivaro would be the smaller end of what I was looking for. The MWB Crafters and Sprinters are longer with the advantage of a height so I could build a raised double bed and place bikes in storage under it in the rear. The LWB Vivaro would be easier to live with daily I think.
Agreed. We have a LWB Trafic which is great. Not converted as a camper but I've built some 'shelf' bunks and four can sleep in it with all the kit, bikes, etc inside. Ours came with windows and a front two seat in the back and part bulkhead behind it. Think mountain bikers had had it before us. The only thing is it's a bit low if you want to transport stuff which is disappointing when people ask you to move stuff because you have a van.
Towing - I towed a trailer with six Optimists on it from Weymouth to Northumberland and barely noticed it was there.
Yeah, a Long High TVP would be a better shape as you could build a bed platform over a low garage.
Friend with the previous shape, boxy Transit can sleep sideways in the van at just over 6'. They have a sleeping platform from the back doors to the sliding door. Kitchen up front and bikes/kites/boards under the platform.
Not sure what your budget is, but I would have a look on Evans Halshaw for used Vivaros,loads of crew cabs with under 200 miles, so basically new, £16500 plus VAT up to about £18.5k plus vat depending on engine and spec. And as little as £12.5k plus VAT for a standard van
I really need to get my replacement van bought. Still humming between Transit Custom and TVP and undecided between SWB and LWB. I really want it to replace my car as well rather than running two lots of tax and insurance which is what I was with the old van.
MrGrim; halfway through converting my second van. Both have been Iveco Hightops, 6 metres long and I think the internal length to the cab seats is 3.6m.
With some planning, you can get a sideways fixed bed with space for the bikes to go under (front wheels off minimum), small toilet room, two belted seats in the back, and a kitchen with large fridge and oven.
Go under 6 metres you'll need to lose either the toilet or rear seats. Go over 6 metres and you'll run into more aggro in supermarkets/ferrys.
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My company may have 5 or 6 62 plate lwb Vivaro Sportives in black coming up for sale in 5 months time. All around the 100k mark and normally sell for about £3k.
PePPeR - where do they sell them? I'd gladly chop in my SWB for a long one!
I'm in the market for a Vivaro Trafic etc and whilst looking, a few traders have told me to change the timing chain at around 100k
Vauxhall etc say they are for life but one guy I've spoke to is forever rebuilding these engines when they snap.
I had 53 vivaro LWB years ago in a previous job and the extra space over a SWB was helpful and, like has been said, on the move you don't notice it. Think it over hung standard supermarket car park spaces though
Can a nice SWB T5 owner confirm this for me please?
In the market for one to make into a bike van - tinterweb says internal rear dimensions: H 1350mm L 2440mm W 1560mm.
Looking at how I can get bikes in and still be able to sleep in it (2 people).
Cheers
My company may have 5 or 6 62 plate lwb Vivaro Sportives in black coming up for sale in 5 months time. All around the 100k mark and normally sell for about £3k.
Tell me more. Where are you? What's the engine? What business/life have they had.
Any Vivaro/Trafic owners suffered a blocked windscreen fluid filter?
Pretty sure mine is - and it does not look easy to access.
Have Renault traffic new style. 10k miles not a problem! I saw a comment about being unreliable heaps of junk? Sorry no experience of that to be honest. One note i do have is make sure you lubricate the gear cable linkages they seem to feel like the synchromesh has gone, but it's just the linkage that needs greasing.
Oh yes love my campervan. I could've blown a load of money on a well known one but all my mates are windsurfers and the full galvanising cannot be sniffed at...
JeZ
PePPeR - Member - Block User - Quote
My company may have 5 or 6 62 plate lwb Vivaro Sportives in black coming up for sale in 5 months time. All around the 100k mark and normally sell for about £3k.
That will be ex-vat, new owner will have to pay?