I partially disgree. Yes, some people will believe any old bollocks if they want to - but you can make others believe if you have enough control over the narrative. Even if people consider themselves discerning viewers you can fool them into thinking they've been discerning if you manipulate all the alternative viewpoints to which they have access.
Tory MP has accused Pritti Patel of not telling the truth yesterday with what she told the House about arrangements for refugees.
And pointed out that such actions were a resigning offence up till recently.
Priti Patel explicitly said at the despatch box that a visa processing centre has been set up by the Home Office in Calais, Yvette Cooper disputed it and she literally denied that she'd said it
The rot starts from the top and when you've a man as PM who lies as easily he breathes, the rest of them just do the same. The blatant lies are just a given with this lot. What's more worrying is what this betrays about their real attitude towards the refugees they claim to be helping.
Its abundantly clear that they literally couldn't give a flying **** about refugees and they've zero intention of taking in anything above the absolute bare minimum into the UK
Its no wonder she dodged parliament today to avoid facing Yvette Cooper after she lied to her yesterday
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1501188796095905795?s=20&t=pbqvt42yroE_ykFCwvx-bQ
It's a ****ing disgrace. These aren't economic migrants, not that we treat those fairly either. They have lives, relatives, jobs, families to go back to in Ukraine. They do not want to come here, they are literally running for their lives carrying babies and pets.
And so what if a handful of them decide to stay and build a life here? They have shown the determination to get across Europe to safeguard the people they love. Why wouldn't they be an asset to 'global ****ing Britain'?
Pretty much every other decent human in a decent, civilised country has taken one look, and waived visa requirements.
It just shows how small we have become, how pathetic and petty. The EU is well shot of us.
It’s amazing quite how disgusting the Government are;
Britain should refrain from criticising Ireland’s open-door policy towards Ukrainian refugees, an influential Conservative MP has said, after anonymous briefings claimed it was creating a security risk for the UK.
Simon Hoare, the chair of the Northern Ireland affairs committee and frequent commentator on Anglo-Irish relations, tweeted: “Instead of criticism of our Irish friends and neighbours, [the UK] could be much better replicating its response.”
A British government source alleged that this opened a back door to the UK. “Ireland has basically opened the door to everyone in Ukraine which creates a problem,” they told the Telegraph.
The best thing journalists could do is to refuse to quote anonymous government officials. It allows those in power to propagate multiple contradictory stories, with plausible deniability and no accountability.
It seems that even the few remaining sane members of the Tory party are baulking at the inhumanity presently on display by this disgrace of a government
https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1501219444361764865?s=20&t=pbqvt42yroE_ykFCwvx-bQ
World-leading
Would it be possible for the Scottish Govt to go against Westminster and to waive the visa requirements?
Would it be possible for the Scottish Govt to go against Westminster and to waive the visa requirements?
Nope. UK Borders are not a devolved matter.
Would it be possible for the Scottish Govt to go against Westminster and to waive the visa requirements?
Don’t thing immigration is a devolved power. There are areas of the country that would welcome a bit of immigration to help reverse an ageing demographic trend
Given that an estimated 1 million EU workers have left the UK due to Brexit, you’d think we’d be grateful for a few fruit and veg pickers, or some extra care workers?
Uh, this is no place for comedy but dynati's video does start with Brass Eye clips....
Edit Day Today
Although having seen the clip before it which appears to be real but shouldn't be perhaps fair enough
It’s all very well calling for visa free entry to anyone who says they are from Ukraine but this creates a huge problem for Social Services and other government functions who have statutory duties e.g. child safeguarding / care of minors that do not have family etc etc.
This is already a massive issue with a significant number of Local Authorities already unable to take new arrivals due to the constant flow from Calais.
There is also the issue that Putin has already inferred punishment will be forthcoming for Britain - so the last thing we want having limited travel for Russian citizens e.g. by bans on flights, is to allow Russian agents to blend into thousands of innocent refugees from Ukraine. And this isn’t a ridiculous conspiracy theory on several counts:
1. Russia installed hundreds of Wagner group mercenaries in Ukraine up to a year before the conflict started
2. Russia has conducted assassinations in the Uk with radioactive substances and biological weapons
3. There’s no reason to think Putin wouldn’t be willing to assassinate our leading politicians in order to create a sense of panic in the Uk / destabilise law and order if he thought that would strengthen his hand.
We’ve also seen through recent terrorist offences that people will seek to claim they are from one country in order to gain entry to the UK only for it to turn out they are actually from somewhere else.
A completely new system to register applications from 200,000+ people will always have a lead time - it doesn’t stop Ukranians reaching the safety of Poland, France or anywhere else on the continent and also doesn’t mean we won’t give the sanctuary already promised.
On that front, I’ve been talking to neighbours about how we can organise to give visibility of spare rooms etc for Ukrainian families that need a home until their home is freed from Russian occupation. In our home we’ve agreed that we’ll move out of the main bedroom into a loft room if there’s a Ukrainian family that needs somewhere to stay - for as long as they need it.
If anyone knows of any groups that are registering places where Ukranians can stay when they arrive in the UK please add the information to this thread.
Jesus H Corbett ... where to even start with that load of old cobblers
This is already a massive issue with a significant number of Local Authorities already unable to take new arrivals due to the constant flow from Calais.
It isn't a 'constant flow' its a tiny amount of people in small boats. We could easily cope with it if there was even a modicum of a will to do it. There isn't. Just more demonisation
And this isn’t a ridiculous conspiracy theory on several counts:
Except that pretty much every word after that statement is tinfoil-helmeted nonsense
You are Priti Patel and I claim my session on your Dover wave machine
There’s no reason to think Putin wouldn’t be willing to assassinate our leading politicians in order to create a sense of panic in the Uk
I'd be genuinely fascinated to know which member of the current cabinet's loss could possibly engender a sense of panic in the populace.
It’s all very well calling for visa free entry to anyone who says they are from Ukraine but this creates a huge problem for Social Services and other government functions who have statutory duties
And whose fault is it that our services are over-stretched and under-funded? It's like deliberately doing a bad job of the housework so you don't get asked again. Sneaky, and in this case extremely callous.
There’s no reason to think Putin wouldn’t be willing to assassinate our leading politicians in order to create a sense of panic in the Uk / destabilise law and order if he thought that would strengthen his hand.
Does he want a list?
*I'm not serious*
I’d be genuinely fascinated to know which member of the current cabinet’s loss could possibly engender a sense of panic in the populace.
Only if the assassin was a particularly poor shot
In our home we’ve agreed that we’ll move out of the main bedroom into a loft room if there’s a Ukrainian family that needs somewhere to stay – for as long as they need it.
Well, there won’t be any unsponsored refugees for you to take in. It’s illegal. And you’ve listed all the excuses given to explain away why. And they are excuses. Some of those are very real issues that require government backed mitigations that you can be sure all the other governments of Europe are working on, and paying for. Stop excusing a government that is blocking refugees for their own political reasons.
Anyway… money, money, money…
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/07/economic-crime-bill-oligarch-loophole-uk/
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So we should not help out our fellow humans in need, because of a theoretical risk of retaliation from a bully. No thanks, I’ll take my chances
On point 3….. given how useless they are, assassinating the Tory cabinet is unlikely to either help his war plans, or be particularly high up on putin’s agenda..
There's a lot of whataboutery around when we talk about offering sanctuary for Ukrainians fleeing war - "What about the drain on our economy", "what about the homeless" etc. We're the sixth wealthiest country on Earth, we can afford to offer sanctuary to Ukrainians, house the homeless and to uphold our obligations as signatory of the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. The fact that we do so little is because we choose not to at the highest level, not because the country cannot afford it.
I'm happy to lobby my MP to do more, I'm also happy to donate to humanitarian aid agencies working in Ukraine.
Given that he put so much effort into getting them into power, and given the services they're still happily providing to his friends, getting rid of any of this lot is the last thing on earth Putin would do.
The political leaders of every other nation on earth would be on the hit list before these useful idiots
Ireland - popn 5 million - has taken a few thousand; UK - popn nearer 70 million, has taken a couple of hundred despite the rhetoric. It's shameful.
There’s a lot of whataboutery around when we talk about offering sanctuary for Ukrainians fleeing war – “What about the drain on our economy”, “what about the homeless” etc.
The Daily Mash summarised this attitude perfectly a few years ago...
We need to look after our own first, say people who would never help anyone
Ireland – popn 5 million – has taken a few thousand; UK – popn nearer 70 million, has taken a couple of hundred despite the rhetoric. It’s shameful.
Yes, it is shameful. The sheer ****ery of it is that it's not incompetence on our part, but that it's intentional.
3. There’s no reason to think Putin wouldn’t be willing to assassinate our leading politicians in order to create a sense of
panicenormous relief in the Uk
FTFY
I find it amazing that a leader of an invaded country can address both the Houses of Parliament here and the seats of government elsewhere, from his bunker in Kyiv (or wherever he is). It’s incredible stuff.
In our home we’ve agreed that we’ll move out of the main bedroom into a loft room if there’s a Ukrainian family that needs somewhere to stay – for as long as they need it.
But you might end up with a Wagner mercenary.
It’s all very well calling for visa free entry to anyone who says they are from Ukraine but this creates a huge problem for Social Services and other government functions who have statutory duties e.g. child safeguarding / care of minors that do not have family etc etc.
Because hanging around Calais for weeks in the cold doesn't create any safeguarding issues of its own? Get them over here, then interview them and assess their needs in a warm room.
As for the 'assassination' angle, I hadn't noticed Putin's poisoners having a great deal of trouble getting into the country thus far. Why would they embed someone in Ukraine, then send them hitchhiking across Europe when they could use one of their teams which is already active in the UK. And probably getting invited to drinks parties with Tories already.
All the talking points which have been trotted out by our so-called government so far are just a smokescreen for their own incompetence and cynical pandering to little England bigots.
But you might end up with a Wagner mercenary.
He'll have to Lohengrin and bear it.
Presumably we can weed out the Wagner mercenaries by checking them for Waffen SS tats on their shoulders...
I find it amazing that a leader of an invaded country can address both the Houses of Parliament here and the seats of government elsewhere, from his bunker in Kyiv (or wherever he is). It’s incredible stuff.
I can’t be the only one who finds the sight of him being applauded by British MPs incredibly nauseating
They are doing absolutely nothing to help him or Ukraine and a lot them got where they are funded by dirty Russian money, not least the Prime Minister himself
As a spectacle, Boris Johnson’s speech afterwards, basking in the reflected glory, was absolutely sickening
Given that an estimated 1 million EU workers have left the UK due to Brexit, you’d think we’d be grateful for a few fruit and veg pickers, or some extra care workers?
I think that's what my local MP ( Kevin Foster) was proposing the other day when he said there were working visas available for seasonal workers. Understandably, it didn't go down too well. Another self serving, smug prick who fits well into that cabinet
Russia doesn't need to smuggle in operatives as ukrainian refugees. Why would they?
"we need to help our own people before we can help other people" is almost always code for "let's not help anyone". When has anyone ever said that, and then gone on to help our own people?
Have we done the story about a grandma downing a drone by throwing a jar of pickles at it yet?
If not, here's an objective, though no less funny analysis of the alleged event:
Doesn’t bode well for the young generation overthrowing Putin given he should have access to non Russian news.
Regarding the gymnast - like all elite Russian sports people the amount of time and effort they devote in the name of the country, they're inevitably products of the state. There was a documentary on it once where a massive blond Russian robot-boxer fought this sound guy from the USA. It looked like the US guy didn't stand a chance but he prevailed.
Putin has already inferred punishment will be forthcoming for Britain – so the last thing we want having limited travel for Russian citizens e.g. by bans on flights, is to allow Russian agents to blend into thousands of innocent refugees from Ukraine.
Pretty sure that the Russian FSB could provide someone with a convincingly fake Ukrainian passport if they wanted. Or a passport for literally any other country.
I can’t be the only one who finds the sight of him being applauded by British MPs incredibly nauseating
They are doing absolutely nothing to help him or Ukraine and a lot them got where they are funded by dirty Russian money, not least the Prime Minister himself
As a spectacle, Boris Johnson’s speech afterwards, basking in the reflected glory, was absolutely sickening
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1499823048005926919
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1500927139570401283
"I can’t be the only one who finds the sight of him being applauded by British MPs incredibly nauseating"
I can't even watch them. I'm letting others on here do the dirty work for me and report back.
"Pretty sure that the Russian FSB could provide someone with a convincingly fake Ukrainian passport if they wanted."
No need, We've got a fast track passport procedure already in place for certain Russians. They're probably already here.
But you might end up with a Wagner mercenary.
Worth noting that Johnson is an easy lever to pull if you're trying to leverage the EU and NATO into doing more. I bet if you ask them they'd even speak well of our thick as pork poo foreign secretary. I would be the same in their position.
Yeah, probably not an opportune moment to start a discussion about Tory Party Funding or the 18 months the Oligarchs have been granted to get their money and assets out of the UK
McDonald's has closed all 850 if its stores in Russia
