Applause for Stumpy01.
Also, it makes much more sense to use the oldest ones in stock first.
This, same for anything that is perishable. I imagine it's how the system is set up to work.
French and US press reporting Ukrainian attacks on Ukrainian civilians.
An interesting read from the Huffpost about the possibility of Russian defeat, the West's strategy and the weakening of populists globally:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/francis-fukuyama-russia-ukraine_n_622eb131e4b0317d0a329c20
The source publication, American Prupose, is described as moderately liberal leaning on Media Bias with highly factual reporting.
French and US press reporting Ukrainian attacks on Ukrainian civilians
Links? more info?
Indeed it is, just a little irksome when you meet so many barriers to try and get kit to train with.
I imagine it’s how the system is set up to work.
molgrips
Full Member
we sell them to SaudiI bloody don’t sell arms to Saudi.
You do but I don't so ner. Truth is we (nearly) all vote Labour or Tories who are both in favour of it.
81 beheadings on Saturday ffs
French and US press reporting Ukrainian attacks on Ukrainian civilians
Credible link? Background? One liners like this are useless. Can't see anything in Le Monde, Liberation, Washington Post.
You do but I don’t so ner. Truth is we (nearly) all vote Labour or Tories who are both in favour of it.
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1367087654903382016?s=20&t=hztcKbhvSenV8yo1dJbWAw
81 beheadings on Saturday ffs
You'll only get hard agreement that this is atrocious. Can we keep this thread on Ukraine though, please?
DrJ
Unless the user manuals are a lot better than those I generally get on stuff made in China, they won’t be much help to the Russians.
Just license Garmin to provide all manuals, software and firmware updates. It'll all be over within days.
OK, perhaps I should rephrase that. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if we disagree. And, as far as possible we should try to remain civil with each other on here.
Shooterman,
That Francis Fukuyama piece was interesting. He is the person who came up with "The End of History" theory after the collapse of communism, which was basically the idea that Western capitalist democracy won and the future looks bright. Many would argue that the West bought into that philosophy hook, line and sinker.
The last paragraph from that article:
"A Russian defeat will make possible a “new birth of freedom,” and get us out of our funk about the declining state of global democracy. The spirit of 1989 will live on, thanks to a bunch of brave Ukrainians."
That does read rather like "The End of History 2.0", as if he's trying to suggest he was right back in the early 90's, it's just that his original end of history had a bit more entropy that he first thought? It also reads a lot like a 'Hot Gates at Thermopylae' narrative. And then of course theres China....
Not saying it wouldn't be nice if he was right this time around though!
I'm not seeing reports of Ukrainian attacks on Ukrainian civilians, wheres that from?
Shooterman,
I just thought it funny how you were being so diligent in checking the veracity of the source, when in fact you were citing the most relevant individual that there is in relation to post cold war western political philosophy!
All over twitter, the images and film are too grim to post.
You said it was in the USA and French press. Any links? Any real journalism or checks involved, or just shared on social media?
All over twitter, the images are too grim to post.
Twitter is not a reliable source of information. Some accounts come from reliable sources, but there is a lot of fake stuff on Twitter.
As expected.
Nothing on France 24, CNN, CNBC or Fox.
Go on Twitter and Q 'Donetsk'. Multiple sources.
Do you just mean attacks in Ukraine? It sounds like you are talking about Ukrainian army attacking their own citizens which sounds like a batshit crazy conspiracy theory.
Yeah, in confused to. I don't "do" Twitter but I can't find anything about Ukrainians shelling their own people?
I also have to ask... why would they be doing it?
All over twitter, the images and film are too grim to post.
I'll hang on until someone posts a link to US or French news. If its already being reported by them it shouldn't take long.
Same here. Don't really do twitter but when I search Q Donetsk as suggested I just get a stream of pro- Russian tweets.
As you were.
Ok, I found out on Twitter.
The account that popped up first had a big "V" as their icon.
Nothing suspect about that at all.
I also have to ask… why would they be doing it?
It seems improbable to me that there wouldn't be incidents where civilians arent accidentally kill in a war of this size.
I also have to ask… why would they be doing it?
Either cock-up or false flag. The former seems more likely, if indeed it did happen.
But I've not found it on any reliable sources yet either
As you were.
Is this an apology for spreading russian disinformation?
Ok, I found out on Twitter.The account that popped up first had a big “V” as their icon.
Nothing suspect about that at all.
To save me having to see that, was there any links to western news outlets?
Multiple sources.
Just tell us which US and French press have reported it, and we can look for ourselves.
Those accounts on Twitter are blaming the "Nazi affiliated Ukrainian government"...
piemonster
It seems improbable to me that there wouldn’t be incidents where civilians arent accidentally kill in a war of this size.
I completely agree.
Just tell us which US and French press have reported it, and we can look for ourselves.
You wouldn't know them, they go to a different school
There's nothing but horrifying story after horrifying story, and no end in sight, the only real hope is Russians overthrowing their own leader, utter madness.
I'm about to stop reading the headlines, it's just heartbreaking, the latest one on BBC is just showing the absolute hopelessness the West has in doing anything https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60734706
The DNR fighters claimed they'd shot down a ballistic missile over Donetsk fired by Ukrainian forces, unfortunately it still fell on a civilian area and killed up to 20, whether civilians were the original target or not, don't know
So following BillMC's Q: Donetsk link for twitter the first hit will get you a Spanish language (Ecuadorian source) who are saying that Ukrainian fascists are bombing civilians. I've no idea what the source for that reporting is though. The tweet translated reads: Edit There's also a link to a 32sec video, As BillMC says; it's a bit gruesome. I'll leave that out
UKRAINIAN FASCIST ARMY BOMBS CIVILIANS IN DONESKT Probably these civilian victims will not appear on the bourgeois television channels. Today the Ukrainian army shelled the center of the city of Doneskt. In the center of Doneskt there is no fighting. It's an attack
unfortunately it still fell on a civilian area and killed up to 20
Depressing. Do you have a link where we could read something about it kimbers? Is this the event you were talking about BillMC, or do we need to keep guessing?
From that Reuters report above.
March 14 (Reuters) - Russia's defence ministry said on Monday that 20 civilians had been killed and 28 wounded when a Ukrainian missile with a cluster charge exploded in the separatist-controlled city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.
The ministry provided no evidence and Ukraine denied launching an attack
Whoever launched it, it's an utter waste of life.
Russia Today initially claimed that DNR forces shot it down
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Is there an official association of Nazis that governments can become affiliated with? Can you obtain Certified Nazi status?
Utterly bizarre isn't it but I'm guessing Putin must know though.
