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johnson in Scotland spraying lies and bullshit everywhere, trying to be statesman-like when talking about Ukraine but just sounding vacuous; nack for Tuesday's COBRA session.
"Or if she’ll have her My First Atlas with her so someone can point out where Ukraine is on a map"
If her first atlas is anything like my first atlas it will show the whole of Eastern Europe in one big block colour with the letters USSR stamped all over it.
Had the Russian Foreign minister will say, "look what it says on the map Liz.... U.S.S.R. the Unified Satalite States of Russia."
He doesn’t do COBRA meetings. Everyone knows that. Probably choosing some new wallpaper or something important.
I don't think HE chooses the wallpaper.
Aaah yes.... fair point. Busy negotiating who's going to be paying for it then?
Anything to avoid actually doing what is still apparently his ****ing job!
Ordinarily it'd be a good thing to keep him away from anything important, but when you look at who the supply teacher is...
Liz Truss chairing COBRA.
Can you imagine?
Would make a classic Spitting Image sketch though.
Have just seen reports of Russia pointing artillery towards Ukrainian positions and of the US embassy destroying comms equipment.
As much as I would like to think Putin would not be so brash, this is looking like he will actually invade Ukraine again.
I can't help feeling that Johnson is talking up the possibility of war just so he can claim some credit when it doesn't happen. But maybe, I'm thinking that. because I just don't trust the govt, and there is actually a real risk
Have just seen reports of Russia pointing artillery towards Ukrainian positions and of the US embassy destroying comms equipment.
As much as I would like to think Putin would not be so brash, this is looking like he will actually invade Ukraine again.
Yes I saw that too. Mainly coming from the likes of the daily express and mail.
Someone however should let the Ukrainians know, i've just been reading Daily Kiev ua, Interfax,Kyiv post, Ukrainian business online, Ukrainian journal, Ukrainian weekly, Ukrinform, Unian info, and ZIK ua, all English printed Ukrainian news outlets, and none of them have anything on about it.
And of course Dave Random vlogs on you tube, a brit married to a Ukrainian and living there. Seems the word from the average Ukrainian man on the street is of calm and none think an invasion is imminent.
I can’t help feeling that Johnson is talking up the possibility of war just so he can claim some credit when it doesn’t happen
Correct. Like how he's beaten covid 😉
Correct, I have a Ukrainian friend just outside Kharkiv and when I said how worried I was at the news she didn't know what I was talking about. Only this weekend did she and her family realise from TV news what is going on.
And of course anywhere with significant Russian influence is getting a story that is polar opposite.
They are hearing that it is US and NATO on the wind up, waiting ready to strike, and the build up protects Russian borders.
Someone however should let the Ukrainians know, i’ve just been reading Daily Kiev ua, Interfax,Kyiv post, Ukrainian business online, Ukrainian journal, Ukrainian weekly, Ukrinform, Unian info, and ZIK ua, all English printed Ukrainian news outlets, and none of them have anything on about it.
Uh, that Daily Kiev UA is I presume this https://day.kyiv.ua/
Which currently has a front page plastered in stuff about Russian military activity
During the past 24 hours, on February 14, five violations were recorded by the Russian occupation forces.
This opinion piece might be worth a read.
https://day.kyiv.ua/uk/article/podrobyci/viyna-nerviv
During the restoration of independence, Ukraine experienced various events when the fate of the country was decided under the influence of internal or external factors. Today is another historic moment. Due to Russian aggression, the situation around our country has become so aggravated that a major war cannot be ruled out. Contrary to the actions of Moscow, which is concentrating troops along the perimeter of Ukraine's land and sea borders, including in the occupied Ukrainian territories, which conducts permanent military exercises, including in Belarus and the Black Sea, and which has issued ultimatums to Washington and Brussels, The West is playing its game.
Liz was just on R4 talking tough... Apparently.
The usual blah, blah, blah followed by having the obvious pointed out to her, yet again....
You won't do anything because everyone knows, not least Putin, that your mates in the City of London are making an absolute killing (literally!) by rinsing dirty Russian money, and they all make large donations to the Tory party to make sure things stay that way
and they all make large donations to the Tory party to make sure things stay that way
Well that is what the tory party are all about.
This opinion piece might be worth a read.
Yeah certainly interesting. I also read it in its entirety- good old google translate.
They also took note not only of Russia, but what the called "the blackmail of the west", in keeping the position of the United States as a paramount player in the world. But then, we always knew that the Ukraine and its people are only there as a strategic pawn int he US's game against Russia from having any power or influence in Europe.
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I suppose if battle lines are being drawn, or redrawn, what appears to be coming out of this is the US and the UK are standing apart from Europe as a whole. The US wants it to be the only power and influence in the world and the UK is playing a lapdog role.
Here's another interesting read.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy#
Liz was just on R4 talking tough
Makes a change from talking trough
! PORK MARKETS !
Oh look, Russia is moving troops back to their bases. A lot of people on here are going to be very disappointed.
Poor old Boris, back to the partygate met investigation 😆 No more distractions.
Someone over there bump fire or drop an ak and set it all off please. jk.
Poor old Boris
He'll claim some credit for it!
Oh look, Russia is moving troops back to their bases. A lot of people on here are going to be very disappointed
Oh do stop being so absurd, quite why you feel the need to smear others with that biased tripe I do t know.
A lot of people on here are going to be very disappointed.
The people who said that Western countries need to vocally and materially support the Ukraine and other Eastern European countries to let Putin know he won't get away with a bigger incursion (or at least that the price for Russia would be high)?
Yeah certainly interesting. I also read it in its entirety- good old google translate.
They also took note not only of Russia, but what the called “the blackmail of the west”, in keeping the position of the United States as a paramount player in the world. But then, we always knew that the Ukraine and its people are only there as a strategic pawn int he US’s game against Russia from having any power or influence in Europe.
Same old same old bulshit from both sides. About the only comfort I see in this round of geopolitical ****ery is that at least western European countries have stopped kicking the living shit out of their immediate neighbours. Which in the grand scheme is a recent development.
Oh do stop being so absurd, quite why you feel the need to smear others with that biased tripe I do t know.
Why not, seems justified given these nameless people have spent the entire thread demonizing anyone who dared propose a differing opinion to their own. And they are being quite nasty about it too.
Such a comment stinks of hypocrisy. Where were you when people were being called idiots or naive and worse for their opinion. Strangely silent.
Dahz comment was more humour than a deep sarcastic dig .
Honestly
I started to notvread threads start to finish, particularly the pissy ones that are as much full of sniping as anything else. And most if the time I just skim past people endlessly bickering as it's not healthy.
E.g. the Keir Starmer thread.
Such a comment stinks of hypocrisy
Case in point
But yes, their is hypocrisy there. Such is the nature of reactive bickering.
Oh look, Russia is moving troops back to their bases
call me cynical, but the Russian Govt just saying we’re moving troops back to bases doesn’t really fill me with any confidence that they’re actually doing it.
Oh look, Russia is moving troops back to their bases
Not to their permanent bases, but to staging areas near the Ukraine border. Just as you would do prior to launching an invasion.
Oh come on Thols, give it a rest, you're making yourself look like a silly billy now.
Where's my ten bob?
I believe the BBC are saying "some" troops. Given they have a reported 100 to 130 THOUSAND on the North, East and Southern boarders, even moving 10% of those (10-13k, so the equivalent of 20 UK regiments when fully staffed) leaves them with more troops near the borders than the UK has in total.
you’re making yourself look like a silly billy now.
Russia says they are returning troops to their bases and you believe that this is all over? LMAO. Russia says whatever they choose, facts have zero part in what they say. That's a deliberate strategy on the part of Russia. They know that everyone knows they're lying. They also know that everyone knows that Russia knows that everyone knows that Russia is lying. The point they're making is that they don't care about facts and they view people who do care as stupid.
Many of the troops are permanently based near the border anyway so no change. They've probably made a killing shorting on the European bourses.
Have we seen Putins latest long table?
Poor old Vlad is apparently very worried about Covid
call me cynical, but the Russian Govt just saying we’re moving troops back to bases doesn’t really fill me with any confidence that they’re actually doing it.
I reckon that they are just taking a longer run up
Have we seen Putins latest long table?
Is that the control panel for the nukes in the foreground?
Is that the control panel for the nukes in the foreground?
Is that an ironing board in the background?!
I think its a Corby Trouser Press
They probably always have a stretcher and defib to hand. He’s not a young man.
quite why you feel the need to smear others with that biased tripe I do t know.
Lighten up man! Looks like we're not going to be bombed back to the stone age. It's all good. 🙂
Poor old Vlad is apparently very worried about Covid
His long table thing is a perfect visual representation of how successful the Sputnik vaccine has been
And the great thing is that Lavrov can still get him with a well-placed cough from there.
I think its a Corby Trouser Press
Corby really do have the market stitched up. What happened to all the other trouser press manufacturers?
Is that the control panel for the nukes in the foreground?
Those are linked to the trapdoors. You see Putin reaching for one, grab hold of the table or its off to the incinerator 😉
Incinerator? I would have had him down as more of a Rancor person. Well maybe a bearpit.
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1493509238714478592?s=21
I'm shocked to hear that Nigel agrees with Vlad.