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Then maybe it’s time to break the cycle
Good luck with that. The practice of categorising political camps dates back to the French Revolution when politics as we know it first became a thing. I would suggest that as a first step you end all class antagonism.
Your side and the other side? Really there are way more. Not every political issue is binary
I very much agree but that however isn't the case on stw political threads which are generally echo chambers. Any political disagreement is generally between the two camps which I described.
Look at this thread, any significant disagreement is mostly based on those who support the current Cabinet and those who don't consider it to be radical/left-wing enough.
Even before you have clicked on this thread when you see who the last poster was you can often pretty much predict what stance will.
Merry Christmas you Marxist bastards! 😀
I don’t think that’s a “truth” at all, I don’t think any of the regular posters on here would describe themselves as either centrist or intellectually superior to anyone
Well I haven't been wasting my time arguing about **** all so you can draw your own conclusions there. As for policy, I think I've actually just given up caring, nobody else seems to be interested in anything other than being right.
This is so funny. the political compass has moved so far to the right.
As far as I am concerned there is only one vocal lefty on here. Ernie. ( including me - ) Lots of self described lefties that are actually centre to centre right when viewed objectively.
None of our major parties are actually leftwing objectively. None believe in redistibution of wealth, state ownership or any of the other key left wing policies. There is nothing left wing about Starmers labour party.
I’m left of Starmer, but probably not by a wide margin. Not sure if I’m a centrist or that much of a regular poster but definitely intellectually superior to most of you.
Happy Christmas to you all anyway.
Chaps, have a day off, eat some food, be with your friends and family, go ride your bike, do whatever you do for Christmas, just let the politics have a day off as well.
I don't think so TJ. Sure the lefties might be a minority on stw but I am definitely not the only one. Although I grant you that I am probably the only one who binners can fairly accuse of being Marxist.
What is surprising IMO is how pretty much universally no one wants to admit to being right-wing, which for a period fooled me, to a certain degree.
I remember a time when witnessing the level of anger, bile, and hatred, directed towards the previous Tory government that I thought to myself "there are going to be a lot of extremely disappointed punters on stw when Starmer becomes PM and they discover that his government isn't massively different to the Tories".
But then in the months before the general election when Starmer increasingly made it clear that despite all the criticism Labour would govern in a fundamentally similar way, and many so passionately defended him, I realised that anti-Toryism for many has no depth. For them it is much more a game of personalities rather than politics.
Obviously like the wider public a few former strong Starmer supporters have expressed disappointment at the direction that the government has taken, but these imo are individuals who have a tendency to display a certain level of honesty anyway.
Chaps, have a day off, eat some food, be with your friends and family, go ride your bike, do whatever you do for Christmas, just let the politics have a day off as well.
Why aren't you taking your own advice?
It is Christmas morning and you have decided to click on a thread titled "UK government thread"
Have you just outed yourself as a mod? It's the only explanation I can think of.
Chaps, have a day off
I have no relatives visiting this christmas, who am I going to argue with about politics?
Last night's Father Ted Christmas special had a chat line for priests - need one similar for stw argumentalists.
Bond markets tanking. It's almost like Reeves' and Starmer's strategy of draining any remaining confidence from the economy with their constant doom and gloom messaging is having the opposite effect to what they thought. You can't boost an economy by extracting money from it.
I thought she might be in danger in the summer but looks like Reeves will be gone much sooner. She's toast.
Bond markets tanking
I'm not all that clued up about 'high finance' what impact does a tanking bond market have on the common man or women? Not a backhanded question, I honestly don't know.
Often is seems to me we (the everyday people) become really concerned about how the city is doing when it doesn't really seem to matter when it comes to jobs, job security, bills and lifestyles for us.
I’m not all that clued up about ‘high finance’ what impact does a tanking bond market have on the common man or women?
Last time this happened interest rates were raised which cost me an extra £200/month on my mortgage. It's a good point though, and as always there are winners and losers. If you have lots of savings and no debt then you're in luck. If the other way round you'll be worse off. Exporters will be happy, but business in general not overly confident in making big investment decisions which will feed through to fewer jobs and lower pay.
The solution of course is to reorganise the finacial system so that the wider economy is not exposed to the vagaries of the bond market. That won't happen though as politicians. economists and the captains of industry don't have the creativity or the courage to try something different. There is no alternative apparently.
Bond markets tanking.
All eyes on the USA and possible trade wars incoming.
You can’t boost an economy by extracting money from it.
The UK gov has increased spending by more than it's increased taxation.
Exporters will be happy
I don't think they are right now. Far from it.
FFS a poll taken two days ago puts Labour and Reform both tie on 25%, with the Tories on 20%
https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-intention-8th-jan-2025/
The threat from Reform is clearly not going to go away anytime soon. Are the centrists really going to ignore it with their blinkered "There Is No Alternative" mantra?
It is obvious that voters want radical change, not middle-of-the-road centrism. If the ruling Labour government seem prepared to accept what increasingly appears to be the growing inevitability of a Tory-Reform government, or even possibly a Reform-Tory government, it begs the question do they really care?
I suspect possibly not. What with the usual lucrative post-ministerial career, and in the case of Starmer a generous post-PM pension, why should they?
I can see them feeling the same level of remorse that Nick Clegg does for shafting the LibDems and giving the Tories a huge boost.
Another poll also out today by More in Common puts Labour and the Tories tie on 26% and Reform on 22%
It is obvious that voters want radical change, not middle-of-the-road centrism.
Been obvious since 2015 when Corbyn surprised everyone by beating the centrists to win the Labour leadership. Then he surprised everyone even more by winning 40% ov the vote and robbing the tories of their majority.
The centrists regained control of labour but the end result is their vote share tanking and the rise of Reform. They won’t be bothered by that because reform got them into power but it’s only a short term advantage and it’s clear where the direction of travel is going.
Not that Starmer and Co will care though, they’ll be long gone. They will have a lot to answer for once Farage and his oligarch mates have squeezed every last drop of hate and division out of the country.
I really think the UK and wider western world is heading towards a very dystopian future, and it will all be the result of hubristic centrist politicians who didn’t have the courage to stand up to the billionaire oligarchs and try something different to the deadend neoliberal cluster****.
Edited.
Actually 'no'.
I'm not going down that rabbit hole again. No point.
Six months ago that same electorate gave Labour one of the greatest landslide victories in UK history.
So i don't think it could be argued that Labour have not been given an opportunity
decreased productivity
Do you have any evidence that productivity has decreased?
It is obvious that voters want radical change
I don't even think it's particularly radical to ask for a somewhat left of centre govt that attempts to start to undo the damage of the past decade. It shouldn't be.
Been obvious since 2015 when Corbyn surprised everyone by beating the centrists to win the Labour leadership. Then he surprised everyone even more by winning 40% ov the vote and robbing the tories of their majority.
Remind me again how many elections Corbyn lost? It's clear the electorate are not interested in his politics writ large, despite what you personally want.
Further backed up that if the challenge to Labour is coming from the [far] right, then the electorate are very unlikely to be swayed by Labour veering left.
I accept that we / you wish it were different.
Never mind how many votes each party will get - it will take an awful lot just to get people off their sofas to vote at the next election. Trust in politicians of all sides must be at an all time low.
Self-serving bunch of hypocrites.
It’s clear the electorate are not interested in his politics writ large, despite what you personally want.
Yes they didn't like Corbyn, largely because his own MPs and most of the press were telling them that he was a racist anti-semite and extremist. But they did like the policies. Opinion after opinion poll indicates that the voting public are in favour of left of centre policies and an activist govt which redistributes wealth from the rich to the poor. The vote share in 2017 was largely a result of those policies. How Starmer would love a vote share of 40% right now, and the fact that he doesn't is almost certainly due to the fact that voters can see that he doesn't really have any policies other than being a semi-competent manager. Everyone can see that Starmer has no intention of challenging the status quo where money flows upwards and voters are routinely ignored. In 2028/29 we'll back in a 2016 situation where people will vote for anything other than the devil they know, and the result will be a Tory/Reform govt which will finish the job of turning the UK into a cut-throat rapacious economy which victimises the poor and dispossessed.
It’s clear the electorate are not interested in his politics writ large, despite what you personally want.
Is it? More of the electorate were interested in 2017 than were interested in Starmer last year. Whilst I think he was a poor leader there's pretty good evidence that a centre left manifesto was popular... whether that's still true nearly eight years later is hard to say, but no-one could reasonably argue that the government's current offer is landing well.
It's a great tragedy of C21st British politics that the one time we get a left of centre politician leading the Labour Party, he's a brittle, touchy bonehead with zero charisma and leadership skills.
A charming leader of the left would clean up in elections in this country I'm sure, we just never see them because the left always eats itself.
Why did you delete you right wing meme post earlier, and then insinuate that you are the victim?
Maybe you would like to state why you claimed working people deserved lower living standards because they are unproductive?
Why did you delete you right wing meme post earlier
Because of people like you. And it wasn't 'right wing' or a meme.
and then insinuate that you are the victim?
I didn't insinuate anything. Please point to where I claimed to be a victim.
Maybe you would like to state why you claimed working people deserved lower living standards because they are unproductive?
Seeing as I didn't state that, it would be difficult to explain 'why'...
At no point did I say anyone deserved anything. If you don't like the fact that (very) gradually declining living standards in the developed world are driving more voters towards the far right than a socialist utopia then that's your issue to deal with.
Think that's that dealt with. If you'd just ignored my ill-judged* post then none of that would have been necessary.
*That is ill-judged as in 'likely to precipitate a pile-on from the usual suspects' rather than anything else.
Because of people like you.
Ah yeah. another right wing snowflake, I are asked to provide a source for your claim. You said income was reducing and that was the fault of lower productivity, which is a clear lie and easily disapproved (I provided a link), all I asked was you to provide the evidence for your claim, then you threw a hissy fit for no reason and deleted your post.
I think it provides some context to your political beliefs.
But heyho, carry on with your own attacks on anyone to the left of Thatcher and claiming you are the victim when challenged, I am sure some more of the right wingers pretending to be centrists will like your posts to "stick it to the left".
Errr, OK dude.
I know when someone is not to be argued with.
No, I apologize that was a complete over reaction from me and I am sorry
It’s a great tragedy of C21st British politics that the one time we get a left of centre politician leading the Labour Party, he’s a brittle, touchy bonehead with zero charisma and leadership skills.
A charming leader of the left would clean up in elections in this country I’m sure, we just never see them because the left always eats itself.
I kind of agree with the sentiment if not the full wording - Boris showed that populism gets votes rather than policies, a left wing populist making it seem cool to want to spread the wealth to lift everyone would be great. If we could find one.
*That is ill-judged as in ‘likely to precipitate a pile-on from the usual suspects’ rather than anything else.
It's good that you have the courage of your convictions.
No, I apologize that was a complete over reaction from me and I am sorry
Not a problem. I'm sorry that I kept biting back too. I know that your responses were quite unlike you and I shouldn't have pushed back like I did.
"People like you" is not a phrase of which I am proud. Apologies.
If it's OK - let's just chalk this one up to experience and move on...?
Is it? More of the electorate were interested in 2017 than were interested in Starmer last year. Whilst I think he was a poor leader there’s pretty good evidence that a centre left manifesto was popular… whether that’s still true nearly eight years later is hard to say
It was particularly popular among the under 54's at the time too. Judging by the Lord Ashcroft polls, labour won by a large margin in that age group, who will by the time of the next election be the under 65's - an increasingly influential cohort.
Was Corbyn even particularly left wing? As far as I can see the most left wing economic policy in his 2017 manifesto was nationalising the water companies, which was seen as unusual and unnecessary at the time but now has mainstream appeal. Other than that it's just ordinary stuff about improving workers rights, increasing wages for lower paid workers, he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way, there was some tax increases but at least he was upfront about it.
Reading that manifesto now with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like exactly what the country needed at the time, certainly moreso than the charlatans we ended up with.
Nothing in Cobyns manifesto was outside of mainstream European socil democratic policied
I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate
Taken in isolation it wasn't particularly left wing, it was hardly socialism was it, but it still had to be treated as such by the people with power who don't like that sort of thing.
he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way
Thats certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of events. After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign, he magically reappeared on the morning of the result to demand that article 50 be triggered immediately, thus stressing his lifelong Brexiteer credentials that would make Farage feel inadequate.
There was never anything remotely ‘sensible’ about Magic Grandads. relationship with Europe.
Thats certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of events. After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign
Your interpretation of events are quite "interesting" too.
If Corbyn was the election liability to the degree which was endlessly and tediously claim he was then you should be very grateful indeed that he supported Brexit/did bugger all, it must have put a lot of "gammons" off voting to leave.
Just imagine how big the vote to leave would have been if Corbyn had enthusiastically supported the EU.
As it is he screwed Labour in 2019 by committing the party to a second referendum that voters very clearly did not want. Thanks to relentless pressure from his Brexit shadow minister Keir Starmer.
Jeremy Corbyn says 'overwhelming case' for staying in EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36430606
I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate
Far more damaging attacks from the right wing press, which he didn't have the nous to deal with.
Hard for many on here to accept, but Labour's failure to get elected in recent years isn't automatically the fault of the "other" wing of the party. Consistently crying that it was does not endear you to wavering voters.
Reading that manifesto now with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like exactly what the country needed at the time, certainly moreso than the charlatans we ended up with.
Absolutely. And it didn’t need hindsight. Which is why nearly everyone discussing this on here voted Labour in 2017. Speaking for myself, it was the first time I’d voted Labour at a general election, and I can pin point the moment my vote switched… it was when that manifesto was leaked early, and contained so much that seemed so obviously needed (to me anyway).
I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate
Might have looked that way in Scotland and London, but nearly everywhere else the mistrust of, and even hatred for, Corbyn was deep seated and based on his own past and continued willingness to back Russia and Iran so publicly, and nothing to do with what any other (mostly also unpopular and untrusted) Labour politicians were saying about him.
Corbyn rightly or wrongly was seen as a left wing loon by much of the electorate, that wasn't the fault of the more moderate PLP members, Corbyn abjectly failed to address that. Up against an idiot like Johnson many more people, me included, voted for Corbyn. If he had been facing an even vaguely moderate or competant Tory government the defeat would have been a lot worse.
Far more damaging attacks from the right wing press, which he didn’t have the nous to deal with.
Which were amplified by the loons in the labour right who were happy to help out. Every ****ing attack the tories launched the right wingers helped out since they preferred a hard brexit than anything vaguely left wing.
As for nous. Lets see how the current glorious leader is handling it?
Hmmmm not well really is he? Although its good to see the right wingers have now suddenly decided that the right wing rags can be a problem.
binners
Full MemberAfter going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign
You know that's not true, we know you know that's not true. You can do better than this.
we know you know that’s not true
Really? He decided that having Dave front the remain campaign gave him the excuse he needed to absent himself from proceedings and he retired to the allotment for the duration until he popped back up, the result he wanted having been delivered, to demand article 50 be triggered immediately.
He’s a lifelong Brexiteer. During his career (such as it is) he voted against every single piece of EU integration. He’s a time serving, uselesss backbench idiot who should have never been anywhere near the Labour leadership, but his biggest crime, of many, was his lazy facilitating of Brexit
Hes as responsible for the idiocy of Brexit as Johnson, Farage or Gove
He represented neither the views of his MPs or the Labour membership or Labour voters, merely his own
But then that’s what narcissists do. And on that score he’s as bad as Boris Johnson, with his own cult of Momentum sixth formers cheering him on
You know that’s not true, we know you know that’s not true. You can do better than this.
I distinctly remember it... radio silence all through the brexit debate, on the subject of brexit at least, other than some non-commital weasel words to keep people guessing, and then a 3 line whip at the 11th hour.
But then that’s what narcissists do.
That comment surprised a little because I couldn't recall ever hearing Jeremy Corbyn being described as a narcissist before. But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn't been reading the right sort of newspapers, so I thought a quick Google might help.
And sure enough "Jeremy Corbyn narcissist" gets a result :
Jeremy Corbyn is accused of 'narcissism' after boasting that the coronavirus pandemic proved he was 'absolutely right' on public spending
So there you have it, just like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump Jeremy Corbyn is also a narcissist..........because he claimed that he was right on public spending. I think we can safely put that little gem in the same category as "Jeremy Corbyn is a racist because he keeps condemning Israelis for murdering Palestinians".
Btw binners since you are moaning about Corbyn's alleged poor input during the 2015 Referendum campaign (apparently the outcome would have been different if Corbyn had used his famous powers of persuasion) what exactly was your input like during the 2019 general election campaign?
I mean as a Labour Party member were you knocking on people's doors and urging them to vote for a narcissist or did you just lie to them and tell them that you thought he would make a great PM, or maybe you stayed at home and just did bugger all waiting until the the election was over so that you could moan endlessly that Boris Johnson had won?
But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers,
It was odd how reliably binners hilarious comments basically repeated the mails attack lines against Corbyn. If ever I couldnt be arsed to look at the heils output I knew binners would summarise it for me.
Its also entertaining watching the labour right rant and rave about how Corbyn was invisible and then also ranting about how Farage is overrepresented. Possibly one day they might manage to join the dots but they might need a sixth former to help them out.
Speaking about the referendum campaign its odd how silent people are about how the official campaign helped out the brexiteers, doing their normal accuse others of their own faults, attack on the elite had as the campaign director Jack Straws son. Nowt wrong there.
But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers, so I thought a quick Google might help.
And sure enough “Jeremy Corbyn narcissist” gets a result
Yeah, because I get all my opinions from the Daily Mail. Or maybe I can spot a classic narcissist from miles away, even if it’s a tiny, parochial, pathetic form of it that only demands adulation from a small band of hopelessly naive sixth formers
I mean as a Labour Party member were you knocking on people’s doors and urging them to vote for a narcissist or did you just lie to them and tell them that you thought he would make a great PM, or maybe you stayed at home and just did bugger all waiting until the the election was over so that you could moan endlessly that Boris Johnson had won?
Do you know how this democracy lark works? We’re not in America, voting for a president. I went out and campaigned for my local Labour candidate James Frith to become the elected representative for my constituency. I’m grown up enough to separate that from the useless old goat who was allegedly the party leader, who never stood a cat in hells chance of becoming PM because…. well… he’s Jeremy Corbyn
I went out and campaigned for my local Labour candidate James Frith to become the elected representative for my constituency
And who would be the next Prime Minister was a complete non-issue in the 2019 general election? Wow that's amazing! Which begs the question why were you so obsessed about Corbyn then?
I can spot a classic narcissist from miles away, even if it’s a tiny, parochial, pathetic form of it that only demands adulation from a small band of hopelessly naive sixth formers
How terribly Daily Mail to put it like that. I reckon Richard Littlejohn would approve.
Ah yes. I often forget that in the view of the sixth form, everyone who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should have seen out the rest of his days as an anonymous timeserving backbencher, as that reflected his extremely limited abilities, is obviously just spouting what they’ve been spoon fed by the Daily Mail/Richard Littlejohn/Whatever
Life really isn’t very nuanced in the common room, is it? It must be nice when everything is so simple
Well I am just a simple soul binners, which is why I'd like you to explain how as a Labour Party member you were making the case for a Labour government in 2019 but somehow, according to you, the leader of the Labour Party wasn't an issue with the punters.
Because, you point out, "we're not in America".
It all sounds rather complicated...... this democracy lark.
Headache incoming for starmer with the arrest of Ivor Caplin, he was removed from the Labour Party last year for “things” and it appears he’s now been arrested for sending dick pics and Attempting to meet up with a 15yr old boy.
I won’t link to his twitter account as you’ll wish to claw your eyes out, I made the mistake of having a look.
Be a damn shame if he fell down some stairs…..repeatedly, or suffers a nasty injury to his groin with a circular saw. Think he was the ex chair of Jewish labour movement who were instrumental in stirring the shit and ousting Corbyn
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg45y4r0yngo
Anyone else get a full house when binners wrote “sixth form”?
yep, but the (school) cap fits.
he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way
Being left-handed, I've decided I can halve the cost to me of gloves, by cutting off my right hand. I can see no issues with this policy at all.
Now, who can help me deliver it in a 'sensible' way?
Life really isn’t very nuanced in the common room, is it?
I don't recall ever seeing much nuance or originality in your tedious little rants. And I find it telling that you have nothing to say about the current Dear Leader's 180 degree pivot to hard Brexit. It is, I suppose consistent with his lack of belief generally.
Headache incoming for starmer with the arrest of Ivor Caplin
Given when he was in office I cant see it being a major issue.
Now Tulip Siddiq on the other hand. Having the anticorruption minister being accused of what she is being accused of is a tad awkward. Its not like it should be a surprise either, private eye reported on it several years back.
Yeah, Siddiq should be “stepping aside” while her current connections are looked into. It doesn’t mean she can’t come back, and Labour isn’t short of MPs who could step into the government role, surely?
I don’t recall ever seeing much nuance or originality in your tedious little rant
Binners is effectively a dictionary definition of projection. I am sure he will demand the thread is shut down soon and redirected to a nice happy space for him to pat himself on his back about his intellectual superiority over everyone.
I'm not actually sure Starmer could really have been in a better position now than he is. There was never going to be a magic pot of cash to be found, the country is a mess. The gammons are still lapping up the right wing rubbish, the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one (and have doubled down on attacking him, the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony), some unpopular but appropriate policies have been enacted (WFA and farmers IHT) and surprisingly little rebellion within such a large party except for a handful of fringe councillors and the odd discontent MP (what did happen to those who had the whip removed, did they just disappear into the sidelines where they should have stayed).
The gammons are still lapping up the right wing rubbish
I love that, 25% of people who voted Labour six months ago are telling pollsters that they are regret doing so but the problem is "gammons" 🙂
And love this too
the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one (and have doubled down on attacking him, the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony),
Yeah that is exactly it, the Left, along with gammons apparently, were expecting a miracle on day one, well spotted!
And now they are "doubling down" on their attacks on poor ol' Starmer...... endless rants about Starmer on this thread, which put binners incessant ranting about Corbyn 5 years after he ceased to be Labour leader to shame!
If there is one thing that Centrists cannot be accused of is lacking insincerity! 🙂
And now they are “doubling down” on their attacks on poor ol’ Starmer…… endless rants about Starmer on this thread, which put binners incessant ranting about Corbyn 5 years after he ceased to be Labour leader to shame!
Point of order @binners didn't mention the 'C' word untill dazh mentioned it 2 days ago...before that, no one had mentioned the 'C' word on this thread for about 1 month prior to that and it was then mentioned by *checks notes* Rone, and you, Ernie.
Talk about sincerity!
😉
Fresh Blow For Keir Starmer As Labour's Popularity Slumps To New Low
All these gammons and lefties don't seem to be impressed :
Labour approval rating has slumped to its lowest ever level in a grim start to the New Year for Keir Starmer.
The YouGov survey showed that 63% of voters now disapprove of the government’s performance, compared to just 16% who approve.
That gives an overall approval rating of minus 47, down two points on the last poll at the end of December.
And try to get your head round this:
Separately, the poll also found that 40% of Labour voters disapprove of the government’s performance, compared to just 36% who approve.
40% of Labour voters disapprove of the government's performance.
Very obviously it isn't Starmer's fault. But I just can't remember who's fault it is...... Jeremy Corbyn's, Kemi Badenoch's, Nigel Farage's, Elon Musk's, Donald Trump, a handful of lefties on stw?
the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one
Bingo. Its fascinating how the "miracle on day one" replaced the "wait until after the election" and so forth.
Leaving aside the predictablity of bread tomorrow it also lacks that nuance that binner demands. People arent expecting a miracle today but what they are expecting is evidence of changes to be implemented to give us a chance of at least some of the issues the tories caused being fixed by the next GE.
the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony)
You seem confused about what irony means. For the right wingers to whine about the glorious leader being attacked is ironic.
For those on the left of labour to return the favour especially after Starmers purging of the nonbelievers in him isnt.
Farmer IHT is a good example of a halfarsed policy. Some good to it but if you read the experts opinion they should have started with rollover relief. Pretty much impossible to defend that when it comes to selling for development.
Point of order @binners didn’t mention the ‘C’ word untill dazh mentioned it 2 days ago
And ? What do you think that proves....... that Starmer is attacked on here more severely than binners avalanches of abuse against Corbyn ?
Its never me who brings up Magic Grandad, though I'm always accused of it.
Anyway... fascinating though this discussion of Comrade Corbyn is.....just to get back to the subject title, with it being a UK Governemnt thread and all that:
I was out for a few beers on Friday night with an old mate who's a former cabinet minister (under Blair... boooooo hiss!) and is still very active and well connected in Westminster as a consultant*. After a few amusing anecdotes about Liz Truss - you'll be unsurprised to hear that she really is as thick as she looks and is almost permenently pissed, as she mainlines Chardonnay all day - he came out with this statement:
"Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We're in 1938, its just that most people don't realise it yet."
His take on it is that within the next year or so we're going to realise how lucky we've been to live through such a prolonged period of (relative) peace, because it isn't going to last for much longer. The government has red lights flashing up all over the dashboard which is taking up an awful lot of bandwidth. Hence Rachael Reeves going to China this week, despite the protestations of the Daily Mail. What the press (and us) are told gets discussed at these visits is only apparently a small part of what actually gets discussed. Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment.
In his opinion in 12 months time we're certainly not going to be indulging in trivia like Elon Musks opinion of Jess Phillips. Theres going to be far more critical and pressing issues, internationally, for Starmer and co to deal with, and they know it.
An interesting take, given that he knows what really going on far more than most
* you can try and guess who it is if you like
“Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We’re in 1938, its just that most people don’t realise it yet.”
His take on it is that within the next year or so we’re going to realise how lucky we’ve been to live through such a prolonged period of (relative) peace, because it isn’t going to last for much longer.
So nothing like 1938 then.
Theres going to be far more critical and pressing issues, internationally, for Starmer and co to deal with, and they know it.
Care to elaborate? Or did your mate not want to tell you? Who are we going to war with?
I think binners might be busy fashioning his tin foil hat......it might be a nuclear war, and you can't be too careful.
Anyway the ex cabinet minister might have shared it down the pub with an old mate but it is very clearly a huge secret. I mean have you read anything about it in any newspaper? Of course not!
Apparently the only people who know that something big is going to turn people's lives upside down in 12 months time are the government, binners mate, binners himself, and now a bunch of geezers on a MTB forum.
Don't let it leak to the press !
And remember.....
"Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment"
You heard it first here.
Its all very cryptic, isn’t it? It’s difficult to imagine any of the present little conflicts going on in the world massively escalating due to… oh I don’t know… an absolutely loon taking the reins of the worlds largest superpower in a weeks time
Everything will probably be fine though. Probably. Nothing for our government to worry their pretty little heads about
So any clues about the "awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment”, or did your mate make you promise not to tell anyone? I take it that it was a quiet pub and not too busy.
I am really intrigued by this cryptic comment
Hence Rachael Reeves going to China this week, despite the protestations of the Daily Mail. What the press
If only we could be told what Rachel Reeves agenda really was. I guess that we will have to wait 12 months like everyone else.
Btw binners I have added a "like" to your "it's time to get the tin foil hats out lads, something big on par with 1939 is going to happen in 12 months time" post.
It didn't seem to be getting the usual amount of likes that your posts typically generate, and I wouldn't want you to feel disheartened, especially when you are so kindly sharing important and somewhat secretive stuff that your mate told you down the pub.
I’m only here for the likes Ernesto, innit.